Originally Posted by
fisharmor
All I can say, and I remind you this is coming from Virginia, is this isn't romantic. This is pretty $#@!ing scary.
The state police are going to do exactly what they are told, up to the point where a bunch of them don't get to go home. They may back down in a Bundy Ranch standoff but they are lackeys that absolutely will kill people for not surrendering guns.
The National Guard absolutely will do this too. Everyone wearing a uniform, every last one of them, is a believer in the system. If the system is doing something wrong, so they've been taught to believe, then the system has mechanisms to correct itself, and the only thing that can happen from them refusing to obey the system is that the systen will turn against them.
The tl:dr of it is they will all do exactly what Northam says until actual fighting starts actually killing them.
If every last big igloo keyboard warriors shows up for a four month standoff with enough provisions for that entire time, then all their big talk might mean $#@!. If they don't, it won't.
But what all this posturing DOES do, is it gives all those true believer state cops and NG goosesteppers a ton of propaganda they can point to to show what type of person ot really is that they are executing in front of his kids.
It's what they will use to sleep at night. Soundly.
This IS serious and what you say could be exactly how thing go.
But there is a chance that things will go better than that.
This is from Law Enforcement Today:
National Guardsman: "We will not comply" if ordered by Virginia governor to arrest police, confiscate guns
Editor’s note: In the increased advancement of the infringing on our 2nd Amendment rights, a member of the Virginia National Guard is putting his/her state legislators on notice.
He’s submitted a powerful response to an article we ran recently about lawmakers in that state threatening to call in the Guard to confiscate guns and arrest the cops that refuse to violate then Constitution.
For obvious reasons, the name of this writer has been kept anonymous.
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Yesterday, I read an article written in Law Enforcement Today entitled “The Law is the law”: Dems threaten to deploy military against cops who refuse to enforce gun laws.
In the first few paragraphs, I was alerted to the fact that the state of Virginia’s leadership is upset that law enforcement officials do not want to violate their oath to uphold the Constitution. So upset in fact, that they want to call up the National Guard.
I wanted to write and address Representative Donald McEachin.
He said:
“And ultimately, I’m not the governor, but the governor may have to nationalize the National Guard to enforce the law. That’s his call, because I don’t know how serious these counties are and how severe the violations of law will be. But that’s obviously an option he has.”
It disturbs me that this guy got elected and has no concept of the law or reality.
Mr. McEachin, have you ever heard of a little thing called the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878? Apparently, you are not.
Allow me to fill you in.
The purpose of the act is to limit the military branches from enforcing laws against US. citizens. While the PCA does not prevent a governor from calling the Virginia National Guard, the law enforcement capacity of the Guard while on state active duty is full-scale enforcement of martial law when local law enforcement can no longer maintain civilian control.
Are you listening Mr. McEachin? If Governor Northam were to call up the National Guard, it would be through enacting martial law.
Since you are so slow in understanding, allow me to explain further.
Martial law is the imposition of direct military control of normal civilian functions by a government, especially in response to a temporary emergency such as invasion or major disaster, or in an occupied territory.
Sheriffs and police chiefs refusing to go against the Constitution to fulfill your stupid anti-gun drivel hardly constitutes a temporary emergency.
If you and your fellow Constitution-hating hacks continue to push an agenda of gun banning, forfeiture and confiscation, I can almost assure you that you might meet more than one requirement for enacting martial law.
If you force local law enforcement to start violating peoples 2nd Amendment rights by taking their guns, you will wind up with temporary emergency due to an occupied territory.
There are people who will dig in. They will fortify their habitations. They will stand firm in their resolution to exercise their un-infringed right. And it will get ugly.
Furthermore, Gerry Connolly said:
“I would hope they either resign in good conscience, because they cannot uphold the law which they are sworn to uphold, or they’re prosecuted for failure to fulfill their oath. The law is the law. If that becomes the law, you don’t have a choice, not if you’re a sworn officer of the law.”
I wonder if he sees the irony of his statement.
If the state deems that it should enact martial law because sheriff’s, whose only “crime” is standing up for the Constitution, here is what it looks like.
The state Constitution would be suspended. So would habeas corpus and civil rights.
There would be no freedom of the press, assembly or speech.
Curfews would be enforced on the people.
Troops would be in the streets for enforcement.
Checkpoints would be set up for control.
The Guard would have the ability to hold a person without charge.
Imprisonment without representation or due process.
Seeing that we are talking about gun control, there would be warrantless, house to house confiscation of firearms, ammunition, food supplies.
I have to wonder if this is really what Democratic leaders in Virginia want. Because what it equates to is a tyrannical government using its military as ‘enforcers.’
And that is exactly what the 2nd Amendment was created to protect against.
If the Virginia legislators want to push this issue, it could get ugly.
And oh, by the way, plan on seeing the vast majority of the Virginia National Guard become Conscientious Objectors. It will be really hard for them to arrest cops and confiscate guns when none of them will carry the necessary arms to enforce said arrests and confiscations.
How do I know this? I am one of them and will be one of the first to lay down my gun and walk away.
I will not be a pawn in a tyrannical game of human chess. Neither will most of the men and women I serve with.
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