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    Gary Johnson dropping in the polls?

    I was looking at the rcp polls tonight and noticed that Gary is losing ground what's going on?



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    General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson
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    The most recent poll has him at 4%. The poll before that had him at 8%. I don't really see any definitive drop off in support yet. We'll see what the next few ones look like.

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    I've been assured that the new Johnson-Weld campaign slogan, "We love Hillary!" is a stroke of political genius. These polls must be rigged.

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    I think alot of his support is people think he's good on paper but once you see him a couple times and his social awkwardness you start to relise maybe he is not ready to be the leader of the free world. I know bill weld was a bad pick but the guy is very carismatic and hopefully that will rub off on Gary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikezelot View Post
    I think alot of his support is people think he's good on paper but once you see him a couple times and his social awkwardness you start to relise maybe he is not ready to be the leader of the free world. I know bill weld was a bad pick but the guy is very carismatic and hopefully that will rub off on Gary.
    The rubbing is having an impact; Johnson supports TPP. Of course, that is horrible, but if you're hoping Weld is rubbing off on him, there it is.
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    and his support if open borders

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    Castle doesn't have all these problems... It seems odd that Johnson's fading support isn't going there...
    Of course Johnson is more leftist, and the "IF YOU"RE NOT VOTING FOR ___________ YOU"RE A TRAITOR" gin mill is up and running at breakneck pace...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikezelot View Post
    I was looking at the rcp polls tonight and noticed that Gary is losing ground what's going on?
    RCP's average didn't include the Morning Consult poll of June 30-July 4th (which has Johnson at 11%), the Morning Consult poll of June 24th-June 27th (also 11%), or the Ballotpedia/Evolving Strategies poll released June 29th (Johnson 13%, his highest poll).

    And Johnson's statewide numbers continue to climb, with him at 16% now in Wisconsin, and a new California poll with Gary at 10% (the previous California poll, from mid-May, had him at 4%).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikezelot View Post
    I was looking at the rcp polls tonight and noticed that Gary is losing ground what's going on?
    Haven't you heard? He's a globalist who doesn't want to make America great. Again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fedupinmo View Post
    Castle doesn't have all these problems... It seems odd that Johnson's fading support isn't going there...Of course Johnson is more leftist, and the "IF YOU"RE NOT VOTING FOR ___________ YOU"RE A TRAITOR" gin mill is up and running at breakneck pace...
    It does seem odd that kids who support freedom from government to do whatever they choose wouldn't move to a candidate for a political party that promises to restrict pornography, gambling, and other vices and sins based on biblical philosophy. You would think those LP kids aren't paying attention or something!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fedupinmo View Post
    Castle doesn't have all these problems... It seems odd that Johnson's fading support isn't going there...
    Of course Johnson is more leftist, and the "IF YOU"RE NOT VOTING FOR ___________ YOU"RE A TRAITOR" gin mill is up and running at breakneck pace...
    Well, Castle would be a principled choice. Most voters don't care about principle, most of the Sanders/Cruz supporters who are looking at third parties now will ultimately vote for Clinton and Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    It does seem odd that kids who support freedom from government to do whatever they choose wouldn't move to a candidate for a political party that promises to restrict pornography, gambling, and other vices and sins based on biblical philosophy. You would think those LP kids aren't paying attention or something!
    Those are planks in the CP platform. I believe Castle said he doesn't think government should be involved in those things.

    This next question ties in with drug policy. Do you see a role for the federal government in regulating and/or prohibiting things such as prostitution, gambling, smoking, polygamous relationships or any other activities made by consenting adults?

    No I really don’t. The states are free of course to regulate if their people prefer but I see no Constitutional role in such things except possibly to control the spread of pandemic disease or something of that nature.
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...n-Gary-Johnson
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Those are planks in the CP platform. I believe Castle said he doesn't think government should be involved in those things.


    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...n-Gary-Johnson
    Link? I see he disagrees with his party on drugs, but can't find information on many other things.
    Last edited by cajuncocoa; 07-07-2016 at 09:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    Link? I see he disagrees with his party on drugs, but can't find information on many other things.
    She already linked it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    It does seem odd that kids who support freedom from government to do whatever they choose wouldn't move to a candidate for a political party that promises to restrict pornography, gambling, and other vices and sins based on biblical philosophy. You would think those LP kids aren't paying attention or something!
    Good point. Don't forget the Constitution Party's support of capital punishment (state-sponsored killing) and their calling for the "use of US troops" to combat illegal immigration. This is the party of true liberty!



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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    Link? I see he disagrees with his party on drugs, but can't find information on many other things.
    According to the quote, it seems he's not interested in legislating it if it's between consenting adults.

    http://libertyhangout.org/2016/07/in...ion-candidate/
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    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    According to the quote, it seems he's not interested in legislating it if it's between consenting adults.

    http://libertyhangout.org/2016/07/in...ion-candidate/
    That's impossible, how could a candidate disagree with his party? I mean, its not like Trump and Johnson disagree with theirs.

    Now bake muh damn cake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    That's impossible, how could a candidate disagree with his party? I mean, its not like Trump and Johnson disagree with theirs.

    Now bake muh damn cake.
    It's not like Ron Paul ever disagreed with the GOP.O_o
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    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    It's not like Ron Paul ever disagreed with the GOP.O_o
    He had the sacred L next to his name in the 80s though. That purified him, like it did Bob Barr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    It's not like Ron Paul ever disagreed with the GOP.O_o
    So what are Castle's positions on capital punishment, porn, gambling, and immigration? We already know how he feels about the "homosexual agenda". I can't find much on his website that discusses his stance being different than the official Constitution Party platform. I thought maybe I'd find some MSM press interviews, but it appears that Mr. Castle hasn't done any (?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJ Liberty View Post
    So what are Castle's positions on capital punishment, porn, gambling, and immigration? We already know how he feels about the "homosexual agenda". I can't find much on his website that discusses his stance being different than the official Constitution Party platform. I thought maybe I'd find some MSM press interviews, but it appears that Mr. Castle hasn't done any (?).
    You commented on this interview, did you even read it?

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...n-Gary-Johnson
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    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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    Please allow me to point out that a candidate's personal position on things like pornography and drugs does not necessarily mean he thinks the full force of government should be brought against people who use them (exceptions for the victimization of children). Castle is the only candidate who is strictly in favor of a noninterventionist foreign policy. He is the only candidate who thinks the military exists to defend the actual United States on American soil, and he is the only candidate who is for the end of the Federal Reserve. As far as I know, he has held these positions always.

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    ^^ That would mirror my situation as well. I've never done recreational drugs, and I have no interest in porn or prostitution, but I don't think the Feds should prohibit these activities for willing, consenting adults.
    Last edited by cajuncocoa; 07-07-2016 at 09:48 AM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    You commented on this interview, did you even read it?

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...n-Gary-Johnson
    Probably not, he just goes talking crap about the Party in every thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    You commented on this interview, did you even read it?

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...n-Gary-Johnson
    Yes. I was looking for a mainstream news article, not libertyhangout.org; the article doesn't mention anything about capital punishment, porn, gambling, or most liberty issues. Are there any interviews that Mr Castle has given to the press?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    I only saw drugs specifically mentioned in that article. Did you read something I missed?

    This next question ties in with drug policy. Do you see a role for the federal government in regulating and/or prohibiting things such as prostitution, gambling, smoking, polygamous relationships or any other activities made by consenting adults?


    This next question ties in with drug policy. Do you see a role for the federal government in regulating and/or prohibiting things such as prostitution, gambling, smoking, polygamous relationships or any other activities made by consenting adults?


    This next question ties in with drug policy. Do you see a role for the federal government in regulating and/or prohibiting things such as prostitution, gambling, smoking, polygamous relationships or any other activities made by consenting adults?


    This next question ties in with drug policy. Do you see a role for the federal government in regulating and/or prohibiting things such as prostitution, gambling, smoking, polygamous relationships or any other activities made by consenting adults?


    This next question ties in with drug policy. Do you see a role for the federal government in regulating and/or prohibiting things such as prostitution, gambling, smoking, polygamous relationships or any other activities made by consenting adults?


    This next question ties in with drug policy. Do you see a role for the federal government in regulating and/or prohibiting things such as prostitution, gambling, smoking, polygamous relationships or any other activities made by consenting adults?


    This next question ties in with drug policy. Do you see a role for the federal government in regulating and/or prohibiting things such as prostitution, gambling, smoking, polygamous relationships or any other activities made by consenting adults?


    This next question ties in with drug policy. Do you see a role for the federal government in regulating and/or prohibiting things such as prostitution, gambling, smoking, polygamous relationships or any other activities made by consenting adults?


    This next question ties in with drug policy. Do you see a role for the federal government in regulating and/or prohibiting things such as prostitution, gambling, smoking, polygamous relationships or any other activities made by consenting adults?
    ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJ Liberty View Post
    Yes. I was looking for a mainstream news article, not libertyhangout.org; the article doesn't mention anything about capital punishment, porn, gambling, or most liberty issues.
    LMAO it does mention gambling, prostitution too if you care about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJ Liberty View Post
    Yes. I was looking for a mainstream news article, not libertyhangout.org;
    You're probably not going to find one.


    the article doesn't mention anything about capital punishment, porn, gambling, or most liberty issues. Are there any interviews that Mr Castle has given to the press?
    So it doesn't "count" if he doesn't say it to CNN? LOL
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    You're probably not going to find one.




    So it doesn't "count" if he doesn't say it to CNN? LOL
    How dare Castle not manage to force CNN to interview him....
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