Trump's War on Russia/Syria UPDATES

[kahless]

Oh that's so cute. While Syria is probably exaggerating the number of hits, McKenzie's statement is demonstrably false.

Cute? The Russian/Syrian propaganda you are posting is demonstrably false. Someone had to add some balance to the posting of only Russian and Syrian propaganda.

btw - those videos do not show what you think they show.

[enhanced_deficit]

In principle we all should be opposed to bombing of foreign countries using shady/bogus excuses. While such flip flops may appear shocking from outside, to be devil's advocate, is it possible that we are not aware of tremendous pressures faced by US Presidents when they are designing foreign policy? Iran's close ally Syria poses threat to our closest allies in the world Israel & Saudi Arabia. Should tax payerd funded President just sit on his hands and leave our closest alies hanging amid such growing threats?

Granted current POTUS seems immune to such pressures and according to his loyal supporter Scaramucci was "not blackmailable", following chilling report was in news recently.



Publisher of the ‘Atlanta Jewish Times’ suggests Mossad should assassinate Obama

Adam Horowitz on January 20, 2012
John Cook reports at Gawker: Andrew Adler, the owner and publisher of the Atlanta Jewish Times, a weekly newspaper serving Atlanta’s Jewish community, devoted his January 13, 2012 column to the thorny problem of the U.S. and Israel’s diverging views on the threat posed by Iran. Basically Israel has three options, he wrote: Strike Hezbollah and Hamas, strike Iran, or “order a hit” on Barack Obama. Either way, problem solved!
Here’s how Adler laid out “option three” in his list of scenarios facing Israeli president Benjamin Netanyahu (the column, which was forwarded to us by a tipster, isn’t online, but you can read a copy here):

Three, give the go-ahead for U.S.-based Mossad agents to take out a president deemed unfriendly to Israel in order for the current vice president to take his place, and forcefully dictate that the United States’ policy includes its helping the Jewish state obliterate its enemies.
Yes, you read “three” correctly. Order a hit on a president in order to preserve Israel’s existence. Think about it. If I have thought of this Tom Clancy-type scenario, don’t you think that this almost unfathomable idea has been discussed in Israel’s most inner circles?
Another way of putting “three” in perspective goes something like this: How far would you go to save a nation comprised of seven million lives…Jews, Christians and Arabs alike?
You have got to believe, like I do, that all options are on the table.

[nikcers]

BREAKING: Russia will hand over S-300 anti aircraft systems to the Assad regime. -Russian MoD

(They should give them a couple of nukes, too )

Russia is going to hand over a free lunch to the Assad regime?

Related: (US, UK, France attack Syria)

[kahless]

In principle I'm opposed to bombing of foreign countries using shady/bogus excuses. Sucj flip flops may appear shocking but to be devil's advocate, is it possible that we are not aware of tremendous pressures faced by Prsidents when they are designing foreign policy?

I agree and to demonstrate being in that position with the power to do something:

- Provided intelligence shows Syria disregarding chemical weapons treaties and using it to genocide civilians. This after a history of use of chemical weapons.

- Lack of action sends a signal to all other countries the US is paper tiger. Emboldens every tin pot dictator in the world including North Korea making foreign policy problematic going forward.

- Lack of action against chemical weapons facilities will enable Assad to continue it's horrific use against civilians despite he is winning the war.

- Enormous internal pressure from the deep state and Neocons to obstruct a pull out.

Trump destroys some vacant factories, some military infrastructure, yet leaves Assad in power to send a message on chemical weapons and our resolve. Later pulls out anyway.

[nikcers]

I agree and to demonstrate being in that position with the power to do something:

- Provided intelligence shows Syria disregarding chemical weapons treaties and using it to genocide civilians. This after a history of use of chemical weapons.

- Lack of action sends a signal to all other countries the US is paper tiger. Emboldens every tin pot dictator in the world including North Korea making foreign policy problematic going forward.

- Lack of action against chemical weapons facilities will enable Assad to continue it's horrific use against civilians despite he is winning the war.

- Enormous internal pressure from the deep state and Neocons to obstruct a pull out.

Trump destroys some vacant factories, some military infrastructure, yet leaves Assad in power to send a message on chemical weapons and our resolve. Later pulls out anyway.

Fake news.

[kahless]

Fake news.

We do not see the intelligence he is seeing. How do we know it is fake news? This is why there should have been a debate, Congressional authorization and the facts presented to the general public before taking action.

[nikcers]

We do not see the intelligence he is seeing. How do we know it is fake news? This is why there should have been a debate, Congressional authorization and the facts presented to the general public before taking action.

John Bolton wouldn't fake intelligence to start a war would he? JOHN $#@!ING BOLTON IS PROVIDING INTELLIGENCE.

[enhanced_deficit]

I agree and to demonstrate being in that position with the power to do something:

- Provided intelligence shows Syria disregarding chemical weapons treaties and using it to genocide civilians. This after a history of use of chemical weapons.

- Lack of action sends a signal to all other countries the US is paper tiger. Emboldens every tin pot dictator in the world including North Korea making foreign policy problematic going forward.

- Lack of action against chemical weapons facilities will enable Assad to continue it's horrific use against civilians despite he is winning the war.

- Enormous internal pressure from the deep state and Neocons to obstruct a pull out.

Trump destroys some vacant factories, some military infrastructure, yet leaves Assad in power to send a message on chemical weapons and our resolve. Later pulls out anyway.

I'm rarely comfortable to be in complete agreement so I'll have to take contrarian view again even just to exercise an argument.

If Assad had used just drones/bombs/bullets to kill same Islamist Arab children in his country, would that have been acceptable for same people so pained by the plight of these arab children?
Technically all explosive materials used by drones/guns are also chemicals as confirmed by images of children burnt to death/maimed by drone attacks/MOAB drops.


Secondly, if main reason for carrying out these US tax payers funded bombings is to protect arab children from atrocities by "animal Assad", won't then our compassionate leaders be obliged to attack Isarel also being run by "non-Animal Netayahu" who just carried out atrocities against arab children, women also?




Israeli troops kill 32 Palestinians, injure hundreds as Gaza border protests resume

After she is done with discussing Iran protests at UN, do you believe US tax payers funded Nikki Haley should discuss killing of 32 Palestinian protesters by US tax payers funded Israeli forces?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK9LWhsd3QI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRdKk00Uj5Y

US blocks UN call for independent probe of Gaza protests
16h ago

US taxpayers paid more to Israeli military budget than Israelis



I'm no expert on hypocrisy, racism, dogmatic religious extremism but two and two don't seem to add up here.



Caution: Link below contains graphic images of child victims of chemical weapons during Israel's wars in Gaza, Lebanon that some may find unacceptable

Israel used chemical weapons against Lebanon and Gaza

29 June 2013




https://latestnewssyria.wordpress.co...anon-and-gaza/


American Hypocrisy on Chemical Weapons. BOMB Syria but APPLAUD and Protect Israel







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[kahless]

John Bolton wouldn't fake intelligence to start a war would he? JOHN $#@!ING BOLTON IS PROVIDING INTELLIGENCE.

Not fake intelligence, but rather not vet intelligence that works in his favor.

[AuH20]

[TheCount]

Trump destroys some vacant factories, some military infrastructure, yet leaves Assad in power to send a message on chemical weapons and our resolve. Later pulls out anyway.

There it is.

Actually he hit an airforce base, gave them prior warning, everybody including much of the equipment was evacuated and the airstrip was totally functional by noon the very next day.

It's not like a he hit a $#@!ing school or something.

IF children died, that is unfortunate, but who the hell keeps children so close to a military airstrip?? If I were you I wouldn't waste your political capital on this.

I was against the attack, but I also see how the attack caused Trump to gain massive amounts of political capital both domestically and abroad, which he may be able to use to save millions of lives.

Or he could have not attacked, been called a Russian stooge and gotten slammed by the media, at which point they probably would have started impeachment proceedings and we can have someone like Hillary get us into the latest boondoggle.

[AZJoe]

I- Provided intelligence shows Syria disregarding chemical weapons treaties and using it to genocide civilians. This after a history of use of chemical weapons.
- Lack of action sends a signal to all other countries the US is paper tiger. Emboldens every tin pot dictator in the world including North Korea making foreign policy problematic going forward.
- Lack of action against chemical weapons facilities will enable Assad to continue it's horrific use against civilians despite he is winning the war.
- Enormous internal pressure from the deep state and Neocons to obstruct a pull out.
Trump destroys some vacant factories, some military infrastructure, yet leaves Assad in power to send a message on chemical weapons and our resolve. Later pulls out anyway.

"Provided intelligence"? What evidence? Washington admits it has none - still looking.

Lack of action? - Washington has been doing nothing but stupid action base don lies for decades now. - This latest idiocy just proves once again Washignton has no respect for international law, truth, evidence due process. Attacking a sovereign nation?

Even were the accusation true - which they aren't - Washington's blatant hypocrisy and pretend crocodile tears are just one layer of evil lies over another. Salafi Arabia is committing genocide on Yemen. If Washington concerned? No - it is providing the weapons, logistics and fuel to do it.

Its 2nd BFF Israel just used hundreds of unarmed local populace for target practice - shooting hundreds and killing over 30. - Is Washington launching missiles to "take action"? - No it white washes the crimes and continues funding them.

After funding and arming an imported terrorist army to stage a regime change coup in Libya that failed, it then obliterated the existing government with bombs and left the populace subject to Washington's imported army of armed terrorists, causing deaths of hundreds of thousands, displacement of millions, untold masses of refugees, and established a modern day openly run slave trade. Where is Washington's concern?

It then ran a weapons and terrorist rat line to Syria to stage its next terrorists coup.

It has repeatedly funded, supported, protected, armed terrorists in Libya, Syria and elsewhere.

And to give any credibility to Washington after it non-stop repeated modus operandi of lies upon lies upon lies for war is beyond foolish. It is willful blindness and out right evil.

The repeat false flag gas attack accusations alone are now like an overused bad Onion farce. Washington wanted to immediately attack Assad for "gas attack": in 2013. Turns out evidence showed it was Washington's funded "moderate" terrorist rebels that staged it using chemical weapons smuggled in via Turkey. Last year Washington bombed Syria on accusation of a gas attack which even today Washington admits it has no evidence to blame Assad.
Now again this bombing. IF they were so confident of they allegation why rush to act before any investigation or evidence. "We don't need no stinkin evidence". This from the government that is perpetually wrong and never ending lies.

[spudea]

so the attack is even helping to solidify and grow support for Assad? The civil war will end and Syria will be reunified within 6 months. Mission Accomplished indeed.

[AuH20]

These heinous acts will continue the anguish of the Syrian Civil War. The rebels will be emboldened. Let's be frank. Trump gets no benefit of the doubt for allegedly pulling his punches.

[AuH20]

Joel Skousen said that he doubts that there are many white hats in the military or intelligence agencies. Most above middle management are devoted yes men, which is why they are promoted upward. So Q was a blatant liar as expected.

[RonZeplin]

This comment sums it up: "US fired missiles into the equivalent of an empty parking lot, declare victory and go home with tail between legs. Russia won the fight without firing a single bullet exactly as Sun Tzu said 'The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.' Its stern warning scared away the US. The biggest loser ?----> Israel. It wants a prolonged real war to drive out the Russians. Trump got pushed but reacted half heartedly. So now they are back to square one."

[goldenequity]

Max Abrahms
The French release their “proof” Assad authorized chemical attacks against Douma.
It’s based on pictures and videos and activist testimony, the report says.
(More and more embarrassment for the globalist scum)

[AuH20]

[nobody's_hero]

We do not see the intelligence he is seeing. How do we know it is fake news? This is why there should have been a debate, Congressional authorization and the facts presented to the general public before taking action.

Logically it makes no sense. Why would Assad use chemical weapons just after the US announced it was pulling back? Wasn't the use of chemical weapons what drew the attention of the US in the first place? So, the US was gonna leave Syria and let Assad and the Russians deal with rebels (and the terrorists mixed in with them), and they expect us to believe that Assad ruined this turning point in his bid to keep power, by dropping chemical weapons and starting all over again? I'm sorry but I do not believe that Assad is that stupid. We might agree that he is no angel, but he is not that stupid.

It would seem more likely that ISIS or some other terrorist group paid some Syrian general off to get their hands on a bomb (probably using funds that our government supplied them), then detonated it to keep the US involved because they know that the USA will help them against the Syrian regime.

When are we gonna learn that when it comes to Middle Eastern politics, that the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy?

[Raginfridus]

Actually, it makes more sense there defectors in Assad's leadership, who will sellout just to regime change into a higher office. I mean Assad's support can't be universal.

[goldenequity]

Brasco_Aad
The British are so afraid of Russian s-400, that their Tornado's fired all their cruise missiles just a few miles outside Cypriot airspace.

source: The Guardian

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NO SYRIAN SERVICEMEN KILLED OR INJURED IN AIRSTRIKES DELIVERED ON SYRIA ON SATURDAY MORNING - MILITARY-DIPLOMATIC SOURCE

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Knock down aftermath of another smart missile?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Davs00cX4AANriZ.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Davs00hWsAEtaw5.jpg:large


(update: tail end of a Syrian SA-6 SAM)

►even SOHR sez 65 were knocked down.
http://www.syriahr.com/en/?p=89324

"The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights managed to monitor interception by the regime forces
to tens of missiles which targeted their positions and military bases in the Syrian territory,
where several intersected sources confirmed to the Syrian Observatory,
that the number missiles that were downed, exceeded 65 missiles, of the total number of missiles fired by the Trio Coalition,
while the air and rocket strikes, caused great material damage, while no information about casualties was reported yet.

so
if the Pentagon claims 'all missiles hit their targets'..
and their target was the ground...
then yes
all missiles hit their target.

[nobody's_hero]

Actually, it makes more sense there defectors in Assad's leadership, who will sellout just to regime change into a higher office. I mean Assad's support can't be universal.

Oh, I'm sure Assad can't keep tabs on everyone.

It's not like Trump hasn't been dealing with his own share of bureaucratic opposition. Maybe Syria has their own version of "Comey" trying to make Assad look bad. It's plausible.

[goldenequity]

Pearson Sharp: "So far from everyone I've talked to, people and officials, there's no evidence of any chemical attack.
I don't know why Trump, the administration thought they needed to attack before the investigation got underway"



Journalist: "Why did US launch last night & not wait till after OPCW investigation?"
Pentagon spokesperson: "Umm,umm, Assad blocked OPCW from going to Duma."
lie

[openfire]

Logically it makes no sense.

None whatsoever.

Watch as the former commander of British Armed Forces in Iraq attempts to make this very argument before being cut off by Sky News, just hours before the airstrikes commenced:



^ They didn't even bother to use a 'technical difficulty' a la CNN. And look at the pure evil oozing from that woman's face at the end...

[AuH20]

[enhanced_deficit]

On the flip side, if "animal Assad" of Syria is targeting families of Isarel/Saudi supported Jihadis, won't that be violation of UN War crimes laws? Most families have children too.



Relational

[kahless]

Logically it makes no sense. Why would Assad use chemical weapons just after the US announced it was pulling back? Wasn't the use of chemical weapons what drew the attention of the US in the first place? So, the US was gonna leave Syria and let Assad and the Russians deal with rebels (and the terrorists mixed in with them), and they expect us to believe that Assad ruined this turning point in his bid to keep power, by dropping chemical weapons and starting all over again? I'm sorry but I do not believe that Assad is that stupid. We might agree that he is no angel, but he is not that stupid.

It would seem more likely that ISIS or some other terrorist group paid some Syrian general off to get their hands on a bomb (probably using funds that our government supplied them), then detonated it to keep the US involved because they know that the USA will help them against the Syrian regime.

When are we gonna learn that when it comes to Middle Eastern politics, that the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy?

That seemed to be the most logical belief from the start. It just did not make sense but then again if you think more about it there has been a history of world leaders making the mistake of believing the US is a paper tiger and that they would not act against violation of treaties, agreements or upon committing genocide. In this case you also have a history of President saying he would pull out of Syria, a cold war history that has never been taken this far, Trump's base and polls showing no one wanted this. With that maybe Russia and Assad believed the US would not act and worst case believed it would be a test of US resolve or an act of defiance.

We did not really know the truth either way in advance and are told now we should trust classified intelligence based on an agencies with a poor track record. This is exactly why there should have been a debate in Congress so we could contact our representatives in advance for or against Congressional authorization based on what should have been presented.

[openfire]

This is exactly why there should have been a debate in Congress so we could contact our representatives in advance for or against Congressional authorization based on what should have been presented.

Donald Trump Ordered Syria Strike Based on a Secret Legal Justification Even Congress Can’t See:

https://theintercept.com/2018/04/14/...ress-cant-see/

[Origanalist]

"Provided intelligence"? What evidence? Washington admits it has none - still looking.

Lack of action? - Washington has been doing nothing but stupid action base don lies for decades now. - This latest idiocy just proves once again Washignton has no respect for international law, truth, evidence due process. Attacking a sovereign nation?

Even were the accusation true - which they aren't - Washington's blatant hypocrisy and pretend crocodile tears are just one layer of evil lies over another. Salafi Arabia is committing genocide on Yemen. If Washington concerned? No - it is providing the weapons, logistics and fuel to do it.

Its 2nd BFF Israel just used hundreds of unarmed local populace for target practice - shooting hundreds and killing over 30. - Is Washington launching missiles to "take action"? - No it white washes the crimes and continues funding them.

After funding and arming an imported terrorist army to stage a regime change coup in Libya that failed, it then obliterated the existing government with bombs and left the populace subject to Washington's imported army of armed terrorists, causing deaths of hundreds of thousands, displacement of millions, untold masses of refugees, and established a modern day openly run slave trade. Where is Washington's concern?

It then ran a weapons and terrorist rat line to Syria to stage its next terrorists coup.

It has repeatedly funded, supported, protected, armed terrorists in Libya, Syria and elsewhere.

And to give any credibility to Washington after it non-stop repeated modus operandi of lies upon lies upon lies for war is beyond foolish. It is willful blindness and out right evil.

The repeat false flag gas attack accusations alone are now like an overused bad Onion farce. Washington wanted to immediately attack Assad for "gas attack": in 2013. Turns out evidence showed it was Washington's funded "moderate" terrorist rebels that staged it using chemical weapons smuggled in via Turkey. Last year Washington bombed Syria on accusation of a gas attack which even today Washington admits it has no evidence to blame Assad.
Now again this bombing. IF they were so confident of they allegation why rush to act before any investigation or evidence. "We don't need no stinkin evidence". This from the government that is perpetually wrong and never ending lies.

Trump could line drug dealers up in the street and have them executed and there would still be the Trump crowd here giving him cover.

[dannno]

It also required the largest spending bill ever signed.

In order to get rid of Paul Ryan, you have to give him everything that he wants and say nice things about him. But you cross your fingers beneath the desk while you're doing it which is what makes it the secret 33D chess of getting rid of him.

The 33D chess was pretending to be on his side and letting him crash and burn on his own, as opposed to being an oppositional force to Paul Ryan and making him look like a hero.