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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    So, being that El Neil makes a very compelling case in favor of the fact that anyone supporting victim disarmament (gun control) is acting as an accessory to all the murders that result from same,

    And given the fact that passing or enforcing any kind of victim disarmament constitutes deprivation of rights under color of law, in flagrant violation of Title 18 USC Sections 241 & 242,

    When can we expect the Trump Justice Department to start investigating and prosecuting federal offenders for these heinous crimes? Trump being all pro 2nd Amendment and all.
    In light of the so-called constitutional amendments floating around, boy would I love to see 241 and 242 amended to each and every one of the BoR’s. That is where the founders flubbered, though by design, the centralists that they were me thinks.
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    In light of the so-called constitutional amendments floating around, boy would I love to see 241 and 242 amended to each and every one of the BoR’s. That is where the founders flubbered, though by design, the centralists that they were me thinks.

    The failure to include an enforcement clause, which like you I think was probably deliberate, was indeed a major oversight. L. Neil Smith suggested a solution in his essay entitled "The Zeroth Amendment," which I posted a couple weeks ago in my red flag thread. I bumped it to make itveasier to find for you.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    The failure to include an enforcement clause, which like you I think was probably deliberate, was indeed a major oversight. L. Neil Smith suggested a solution in his essay entitled "The Zeroth Amendment," which I posted a couple weeks ago in my red flag thread. I bumped it to make itveasier to find for you.
    There is no way they couldn't have foreseen what a lack of enforcement would do. They weren't stupid.
    "The Patriarch"

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    There is no way they couldn't have foreseen what a lack of enforcement would do. They weren't stupid.

    Exactly. And the Anti-Federalists dropped the ball by not demanding same.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Exactly. And the Anti-Federalists dropped the ball by not demanding same.
    The CONstitution was a Hamiltonian coup to create a strong central government- it was never about liberty. And the Anti-Federalists were not invited to the party.
    There is no spoon.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    The CONstitution was a Hamiltonian coup to create a strong central government- it was never about liberty. And the Anti-Federalists were not invited to the party.

    All true. But the Anti-Feds DID manage to force the best part (I'd say the only good part) of the CONstitution on the Federalists, the Bill of Rights. Sadly they failed to include an enforcement clause to give it some teeth.

    L. Neil Smith offered up one possible solution:

    The Zeroth Amendment
    by L. Neil Smith
    lneil@netzero.com


    Reprinted from The Libertarian Enterprise Number 87, August 28, 2000

    You may have noticed a bit of fuss the other day about a national opinion poll of high school kiddies—"young skulls full of mush", as a certain formerly fat guy likes to call them—which revealed that they favor "serious" gun control measures, and by an overwhelming majority.

    Surprise, surprise, surprise!

    Set aside the fact that many of the laws called for by the poll are already in force (betraying an abysmal ignorance typical of the "experts" on the other side). What are we to make of such views on the part of those to whom some of us were planning to pass the torch of civilization?

    More than one internet correspondent of mine was ready to cut his wrists or stick his head in the oven, figuring, after all the effort we've put in over the last half century, if this is the end result, we might as well give up. I've noticed, however, that there are always those in the freedom movment looking for some reason to give up. There always have been and there always will be. If they'd just go ahead and give up now, for whatever reason, I, for one, would appreciate it very much.

    They could even take their blubbery defeatism and join the other side.

    Please.


    For the rest of us, think for a minute what these opinions really mean.

    They (and the poor ritalin-soaked zombies who believe they thought them up themselves) are products of the public schools. The kids who regurgitated these pasteurized, processed idea-substitutes on command are mind-slaves so profoundly helpless they don't even know they're the captives of fascist indocrination, prisoners of a war they can't see being waged all around them between the ideas of the 18th century founders of this civilization and those of sick, twisted 19th century spider-brains to whom the very notion of individual liberty was a toxin.

    And that's just for starters. For the past year, these poor little coppertops, soaking by the millions in their pink bathtubs, have been jacked straight into a propaganda machine running in high gear, fueled by murders in Littleton, Colorado which could never have happened if the potential victims had been armed and properly educated to protect themselves.

    (I read a column recently by some theorizer trying to argue the tactical impossibility of this, but it was clear to me by the second paragraph that if somebody put an actual gun in his hand, he'd wet himself.)

    What it comes down to is that America's school children have spent their lives being aggressively shielded and sheltered from the truth, without a chance—yet—to learn the lessons that real life has to offer. It's equally clear that it's up to us—to you and me—to provide a lesson along those lines that can't be ignored, by children or by those who insult the English language by calling themselves teachers.

    The children participating in this poll have never been told certain pivotal facts that would probably change their spoon-fed opinions. They've never been told, for example, that no more than a tiny fraction of a percent of privately owned guns are ever involved in a crime. They've never been told that privately owned guns, in fact, dramatically reduce crime when carried on the persons of their owners.

    They've never been told "gun control" is a euphemism for victim disarmament.

    They've never been told that the Founding Fathers intended us to have privately owned guns at least as good as the government's so that the government would be afraid to try running our lives. They've never been told that giving the government a list of privately owned guns or their owners defeats the whole purpose of having them in the first place.

    Which is, of course, exactly what the gun-grabbers have in mind.

    They've never been told the basic truth of the matter, that every man, woman, and responsible child has an unalienable individual, civil, Constitutional, and human right to obtain, own, and carry, openly or concealed, any weapon—rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything—any time, any place, without asking anyone's permission.

    They've never been told that those who want to end private gun ownership are not lovely, sweet, humane individuals, but evil, stupid, and insane hypocrites who would rather see a women raped in an alley and strangled with her own pantyhose than see her with a gun in her hand.


    Life will teach all of these lessons eventually, as it did to you and me, to those among them who aren't evil, stupid, or insane. But we can hasten the learning process by demonstrating to them what happens to those who've lied to them and tried to rob them of their mental liberty.

    Let's start with a Constitutional Amendment:

    ARTICLE ZERO

    I. Any public official or employee who, knowingly or unknowingly, violates—or participates in the violation of—any provision of the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution shall, in full public view and over such media as exist at the time, be hanged by the neck until he is dead.

    II. The word "he" is not to be construed so as to exclude female public officials or employees.

    III. This amendment, upon ratification, shall be inserted in the Constitution just before the First Amendment.


    I think it was Hobbes (the philosopher, not the tiger) who pointed out that "the covenant without the sword"—that is, a law without teeth—isn't worth a bucket of warm spit. At least I think it was Hobbes.

    But I don't think he meant spit.

    The Anti-Federalists imposed the Bill of Rights on the Federalists as the price for ratifying the Constitution, but they failed somehow to include teeth in the form of an enforcement clause. Old Alexander Hamilton has to have been laughing in his grave for the past couple of centuries.

    This is the enforcement clause we've needed all along.

    And it's an educational exercise, too. Can you imagine the lesson to be learned in a future nation that has ratified this amendment, watching creatures like Charles Schumer and Diane Feinstein dancing on the hemp, their tongues swollen and their eyes bulging out of their sockets?

    Can you imagine a gun control poll even being conducted in such a nation?
    https://ncc-1776.org/tle2007/tle445-20071125-02.html

    It definitely would give the BoR some teeth.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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