Illegals commit crimes at double the rate of native-born: Study

[Ender]

You anarchists think county sheriffs are "big" government so nobody cares what you think.

Government tries to use anything to grow but that doesn't mean that "big" government is required to do the thing it is using as an excuse today

Quit with the ASS-umptions.

I'm a Libertarian and I know about county sheriffs.

And if you don't know how Big Gov works, I suggest you get some real edumacation instead of all your silly personal "fake" news.

[Ender]

What a asinine statement.

Exactly.

[Swordsmyth]

Quit with the ASS-umptions.

I'm a Libertarian and I know about county sheriffs.

And if you don't know how Big Gov works, I suggest you get some real edumacation instead of all your silly personal "fake" news.

You were the one who told me that county sheriffs were bad when you were pitching your AnCap fantasies about the old west.

[Zippyjuan]

The study in the OP notes:

A second consideration is that some local authorities spend disproportionate resources attempting to go after undocumented immigrants. The one clear example of that would be Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who was the Sheriff of Maricopa County up until the end of 2016. Maricopa county is the largest county in the state and makes up about 61% of Arizona’s total population. Arpaio was famous for his tough on illegal aliens stand,17

https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery...024123&EXT=pdf

It also notes:

only 2.3 of convicted undocumented immigrants who are considered dangerous and who have a history of repetitive behavior recidivate within 6 years of being released. In contrast, convicted U.S. Citizens with characteristics exhibit a six-year recidivism rate of 26.4% –about 9.7 times higher.

Anyway you cut the data, U.S. citizens recidivate at much higher rates. For example, when compared with undocumented immigrants with equivalent sentencing enhancements or gang affiliations, U.S. Citizens are 2 to 11.5 times more likely to recidivate within six years than are undocumented immigrants. For ages under 65, U.S. citizens are 3.6 to 4.7 times more likely to recidivate within six years.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/u...nts-crime.html

Contrary to Trump’s Claims, Immigrants Are Less Likely to Commit Crimes


A central point of an executive order President Trump signed on Wednesday — and a mainstay of his campaign speeches — is the view that undocumented immigrants pose a threat to public safety.

But several studies, over many years, have concluded that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than people born in the United States. And experts say the available evidence does not support the idea that undocumented immigrants commit a disproportionate share of crime.

“There’s no way I can mess with the numbers to get a different conclusion,” said Alex Nowrasteh, immigration policy analyst at the libertarian Cato Institute, which advocates more liberal immigration laws.

Mr. Trump often cites specific cases of undocumented immigrants committing or being charged with crimes, like the 2015 killing in San Francisco of Kathryn Steinle, whose accused killer had repeatedly been convicted of crimes and deported, yet slipped back into the United States.

His executive order states that many people who enter the country illegally “present a significant threat to national security and public safety.” It directs the Department of Homeland Security to publish a weekly “comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such aliens.”

Analyses of census data from 1980 through 2010 show that among men ages 18 to 49, immigrants were one-half to one-fifth as likely to be incarcerated as those born in the United States. Across all ages and sexes, about 7 percent of the nation’s population are noncitizens, while figures from the Justice Department show that about 5 percent of inmates in state and federal prisons are noncitizens.

Opponents of immigration often point out that in federal prisons, a much higher share of inmates, 22 percent, are noncitizens. But federal prisons hold a small fraction of the nation’s inmates, and in many ways, it is an unusual population. About one-third of noncitizen federal inmates are serving time for immigration offenses — usually re-entering the country illegally after being deported — that are not covered by state law.

With about 43 million foreign-born people living in the country, and about 11 million of them here illegally, immigrants are a large slice of the population, and are no doubt to blame for a large share of the crime. The Department of Homeland Security has estimated that 1.9 million noncitizens living in the United States — whether legally or illegally — have been convicted of criminal offenses and could be deported. The Migration Policy Institute, a research group that does not advocate immigration policies, estimated that 820,000 of those people were in the country illegally, including 300,000 with felony convictions.

“The tone and tenor of the president’s executive order blurs the line between who’s a serious criminal and who isn’t,” and between documented and undocumented immigrants, said Randy Capps, the institute’s director of research for United States programs. There is no national accounting of criminality specifically by people who are in the country illegally. But Mr. Nowrasteh said he had analyzed the available figures and concluded that undocumented immigrants had crime rates somewhat higher than those here legally, but much lower than those of citizens.

[Swordsmyth]

The study in the OP notes:



https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery...024123&EXT=pdf

It also notes:



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/u...nts-crime.html

Fake news.

[Ender]

You were the one who told me that county sheriffs were bad when you were pitching your AnCap fantasies about the old west.

Link?

[Danke]

[Swordsmyth]

Link?

So, you want more gov to handle this? Makes no sense. Freedom is the only answer.

Here's a good article on the Not-So-Wild-West:

In contrast, an alternative literature based on actual history concludes that the civil society of the American West in the nineteenth century was not very violent. Eugene Hollon writes that the western frontier “was a far more civilized, more peaceful and safer place than American society today” (1974, x). Terry Anderson and P. J. Hill affirm that although “[t]he West . . . is perceived as a place of great chaos, with little respect for property or life,” their research “indicates that this was not the case; property rights were protected and civil order prevailed. Private agencies provided the necessary basis for an orderly society in which property was protected and conflicts were resolved” (1979, 10).

What were these private protective agencies? They were not governments because they did not have a legal monopoly on keeping order. Instead, they included such organizations as land clubs, cattlemen’s associations, mining camps, and wagon trains.

So-called land clubs were organizations established by settlers before the U.S. government even surveyed the land, let alone started to sell it or give it away. Because disputes over land titles are inevitable, the land clubs adopted their own constitutions, laying out the “laws” that would define and protect property rights in land (Anderson and Hill 1979, 15). They administered land claims, protected them from outsiders, and arbitrated disputes. Social ostracism was used effectively against those who violated the rules. Establishing property rights in this way minimized disputes—and violence.

The wagon trains that transported thousands of people to the California gold fields and other parts of the West usually established their own constitutions before setting out. These constitutions often included detailed judicial systems. As a consequence, writes Benson, “[t]here were few instances of violence on the wagon trains even when food became extremely scarce and starvation threatened. When crimes against persons or their property were committed, the judicial system . . . would take effect” (1998, 102). Ostracism and threats of banishment from the group, instead of threats of violence, were usually sufficient to correct rule breakers’ behavior.

http://www.independent.org/publicati...icle.asp?a=803



This is REAL anarchy.^^^^

You want to do away with ALL government law enforcement in favor of your private law enforcement despite the fact that the rich and corrupt would create private "law enforcement" like Pinkerton's or Blackwater, you would end up with kangaroo courts and petty tyrants until one faction conquered the others and imposed tyranny writ large, that kind of thing happened with the land clubs, cattlemen’s associations, mining camps, and wagon trains.

I'm not going to re-debate the topic here but you can't pretend you support county sheriffs.

[Ender]

You want to do away with ALL government law enforcement in favor of your private law enforcement despite the fact that the rich and corrupt would create private "law enforcement" like Pinkerton's or Blackwater, you would end up with kangaroo courts and petty tyrants until one faction conquered the others and imposed tyranny writ large, that kind of thing happened with the land clubs, cattlemen’s associations, mining camps, and wagon trains.

I'm not going to re-debate the topic here but you can't pretend you support county sheriffs.

County Sheriffs are exactly what that link is about. I hate to tell you this but county sheriffs are....wait for it.....

ELECTED.

They are locally chosen law enforcement, just like the link I quoted was talking about.

We already have the "Pinkerton's or Blackwater" entitlement group- they're called "cops".

[timosman]

County Sheriffs are exactly what that link is about. I hate to tell you this but county sheriffs are....wait for it.....

ELECTED.

They are locally chosen law enforcement, just like the link I quoted was talking about.

We already have the "Pinkerton's or Blackwater" entitlement group- they're called "cops".

The world is such a terrible place.

[Danke]

What the Media Won’t Tell You About Illegal Immigration and Criminal Activity
Mar 13th, 2017



Requiring the federal government to keep track of and regularly report on the victimization of Americans by illegal aliens is something that the American people should demand.






Normally, the ACLU promotes transparency in government and the ability of the public to access public records. But apparently that changes when transparency might reveal damaging information that hurts their opposition to President Trump’s common-sense, revised executive order temporarily suspending entry from six terrorist safe havens in the Middle East and Africa.


How else can one explain the ACLU’s criticism of a little-noticed provision in the executive order that requires the Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security to, among other things, report on the “number and types of acts of gender-based violence against women” in the U.S., like the “honor” killings committed by foreign nationals? That provision will also require public reporting on the number of foreign nationals charged/convicted of “terrorism-related offenses” or removed from the country for terrorism-related activities.


Left and the media again made the claim that aliens commit less crime than native-born citizens and that the only “cruel” purpose of these actions is to “tag immigrants as criminals.”


According to a recent Associated Press article, “multiple studies have concluded that immigrants are less likely to commit crime than native-born U.S. citizens.” But the issue isn’t non-citizens who are in this country legally, and who must abide by the law to avoid having their visas revoked or their application for citizenship refused. The real issue is the crimes committed by illegal aliens. And in that context, the claim is quite misleading, because the “multiple studies” on crimes committed by “immigrants” — including a 2014 study by a professor from the University of Massachusetts, which is the only one cited in the article — combine the crime rates of both citizens and non-citizens, legal and illegal.


That isn’t the only problem with the study. Instead of using official crime data, it uses “self-reported criminal offending and country of birth information.” For obvious reasons, there is little incentive for anyone, let alone criminal aliens, to self-report “delinquent and criminal involvement.” When it comes to self-reporting criminal activity, some respondents will, no doubt, exaggerate. Others will flat out lie. Furthermore, many respondents will likely not disclose if they are a non-citizen out of fear of discovery and deportation.


These claims overlook disturbing actual data on crimes committed by criminal aliens. For example, the Government Accountability Office released two unsettling reports in 2005 on criminal aliens who are in prison for committing crimes in the United States, and issued an updated report in 2011.


The first report (GAO-05-337R) found that criminal aliens (both legal and illegal) make up 27 percent of all federal prisoners. Yet according to the Center for Immigration Studies, non-citizens are only about nine percent of the nation’s adult population. Thus, judging by the numbers in federal prisons alone, non-citizens commit federal crimes at three times the rate of citizens.


The findings in the second report (GAO-05-646R) are even more disturbing. This report looked at the criminal histories of 55,322 aliens that “entered the country illegally and were still illegally in the country at the time of their incarceration in federal or state prison or local jail during fiscal year 2003.” Those 55,322 illegal aliens had been arrested 459,614 times, an average of 8.3 arrests per illegal alien, and had committed almost 700,000 criminal offenses, an average of roughly 12.7 offenses per illegal alien.


Out of all of the arrests, 12 percent were for violent crimes such as murder, robbery, assault and sex-related crimes; 15 percent were for burglary, larceny, theft and property damage; 24 percent were for drug offenses; and the remaining offenses were for DUI, fraud, forgery, counterfeiting, weapons, immigration, and obstruction of justice.


The 2011 GAO report wasn’t much different. It looked at 251,000 criminal aliens in federal, state, and local prisons and jails. Those aliens were arrested nearly 1.7 million times for close to three million criminal offenses. Sixty-eight percent of those in federal prison and 66 percent of those in state prisons were from Mexico. Their offenses ranged from homicide and kidnapping to drugs, burglary, and larceny.


Once again, these statistics are not fully representative of crimes committed by illegal aliens: This report only reflects the criminal histories of aliens who were in prison. If there were a way to include all crimes committed by criminal aliens, the numbers would likely be higher because prosecutors often will agree to drop criminal charges against an illegal alien if they are assured that immigration authorities will deport the alien.


The GAO reports also highlight another important flaw in the study referenced by the Associated Press. It uses survey data from a nationally representative sample of people living in the United States. Thus, the study does not take into account some potentially key factors highlighted in the GAO reports: that criminal aliens from Mexico disproportionately make up incarcerations (GAO-05-337R) and that most arrests are made in the three border states of California, Texas, and Arizona (GAO-05-646R and GAO-11-187).

Every crime committed by an illegal alien is one that would not have occurred if that alien wasn’t in the United States in the first place.

One 2001 study that does take country of origin and geographic concentration factors into account found that Mexican immigrants “commit between 3.5 and 5 times as many crimes as the average native.” It also pointed out the large concentration of Mexican immigrants in the Southwest, which indicates that a nation-wide sample may not represent what is happening in states with a large concentration of criminal aliens.


Although there are no perfect measures of crimes committed by criminal aliens, it has certainly not been substantiated, as the Associated Press article states, that illegal aliens commit crimes at a lesser rate than either native-born or naturalized American citizens. In fact, existing data seems to show that the opposite is likely true.


But we do know one thing for sure. Every crime committed by an illegal alien is one that would not have occurred if that alien wasn’t in the United States in the first place. That includes the hundreds of thousands of crimes committed by the 55,322 illegal aliens in the GAO study who victimized countless numbers of Americans.


So despite the criticism from the ACLU and others, requiring the federal government to keep track of and regularly report on the victimization of Americans by illegal aliens is not only a good idea, it is something that the American people should demand.


This piece originally appeared in Conservative Review

[timosman]

[Swordsmyth]

[Swordsmyth]

[kahless]

muh open borders.

[timosman]

muh open borders.

You are a despicable human being.

How can you be opposed to the idea of improving people's lives around the world?

How can you not support communism?

[kahless]

You are a despicable human being.

How can you be opposed to the idea of improving people's lives around the world?

How can you not support communism?

[Ender]

I see you guys got the hots.

[anaconda]

Is there any reason to believe that the "conviction rate" is meaningful here?