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  1. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    @LibertyEagle I know you're obsessed with catching a disease from non-white people, so I found something that I *think* will demonstrate Jim Crow laws that wouldn't have anything to do with a fear of disease....just for you:
    I said nothing of the sort. But, truthfulness doesn't appear to be your strong suit. What I did was to post numbers from the Center for Disease Control. You know... facts.

    Unless you think White people could catch a disease from just sitting in those same seats the "Colored" people sat in at the theater. Maybe you do.
    There you go again, showing your distress over private property rights. I think private property owners should have every right to determine who they will do business with and under what conditions. It is up to the customer to accept those conditions or take their business to someone they prefer doing business with. That is how things change and without government force.

    I hope I'm not being too hard on you.
    Nah, I'm half asleep and it's more than enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    Jim Crow south:















    Looks like a lot of white privilege going on in these pictures. Not that anyone alive today is responsible for what's going on here, but if you can't at least acknowledge that it once existed....maybe some are too blind to see.
    It's still not worse than the hell they are currently being subjected to. The crime rates prove that to be true. In the Jim Crow South, blacks typically didn't live like caged hens in some filthy government housing project. They managed farms and raised their own crops. They also didn't have to watch for errant bullets when they took their children for a walk. Mortality rates were significantly lower back then, despite living in a white dominated region. Imagine that?
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  5. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Mortality rates were significantly lower back then, despite living in a white dominated region.
    I'm sure that you have a source for this. Care to share it?


    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    They also didn't have to watch for errant bullets when they took their children for a walk.
    They just had to make sure that they were suitably respectful, didn't get too uppity, etc. or else they might be killed out of hand by whoever so desired, with little to no chance of consequences for their killers.
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  6. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    They just had to make sure that they were suitably respectful, didn't get too uppity, etc. or else they might be killed out of hand by whoever so desired, with little to no chance of consequences for their killers.
    Now, that applies to all of us, when being dealt with by cops.

  7. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Now, that applies to all of us, when being dealt with by cops.
    You might even be able to get some of the "Jim Crow is great" crowd in here to agree with you on that, as they're all of the 'authoritarianism for thee but not for me' persuasion.

    As if that's even possible.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  8. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Like I said previously, I'd rather live in the Jim Crow South with my parcel of land, livestock and fresh air as opposed to ducking bullets and syringes in the boxlike urban ghettos. I'll take my chances with a few racists as opposed to the 24/7 encompassing culture of death.

    Secondly, many people are naive to the fact that there are significant portions of the Northeast that are far more discriminatory than the South.
    spoken like someone who never had to deal with being a minority in the Jim Crow south.
    The wisdom of Swordy:

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    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.

    On fighting corruption:
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump had to donate the "right way" and hang out with the "right people" in order to do business in NYC and Hollyweird and in order to investigate and expose them.
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  9. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    spoken like someone who never had to deal with being a minority in the Jim Crow south.
    I've never had to deal with being a 'minority' anywhere, ever.........Except philosophically and morally...

    Should I feel some kind of guilt or remorse because I don't.....

  10. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    I've never had to deal with being a 'minority' anywhere, ever.........Except philosophically and morally...

    Should I feel some kind of guilt or remorse because I don't.....
    You are missing the point. I don't feel guilty for $#@!. I wasn't there either. But I'm not going to advocate living under a legal system of "active" collective discrimination as the poster suggested above.
    The wisdom of Swordy:

    On bringing the troops home
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.

    On fighting corruption:
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump had to donate the "right way" and hang out with the "right people" in order to do business in NYC and Hollyweird and in order to investigate and expose them.
    Fascism Defined

  11. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    You are missing the point. I don't feel guilty for $#@!. I wasn't there either. But I'm not going to advocate living under a legal system of "active" collective discrimination as the poster suggested above.
    I read where he said that he'd rather instead of he'd rather others did......

    There's quite a difference.

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  14. #161
    Of course they are going to have to throw the 'sovereign citizen' canard into the mix...

    Baton Rouge police shooter said he was ‘sovereign citizen’

    The former Marine who killed three Baton Rouge, Louisiana, police officers identified with a growing movement that originated among white supremacists and whose adherents believe they’re immune to most state and federal laws, including paying taxes and getting driver’s licenses.

    Gavin Long, a 29-year-old black man from Kansas City, Missouri, filed documents last year declaring himself a sovereign citizen, as a member of the United Washitaw de Dugdahmoundyah. Members of the mostly black group, which was founded in Louisiana, claim the government has no control over them and that they own much of the Louisiana Purchase land. Members have sold fake licenses, passports and license plates.

    Nothing in that group’s ideology calls for violence, according to Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center. Potok added that he would hesitate to tie Long’s claimed connection to the Washitaw Nation with Sunday’s shooting because it appeared that Long was “shopping around” for an ideology, including once claiming he was a member of the Nation of Islam. Washitaw Nation spokesman, Fredrix Joe Washington, said he’d never heard of Long.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...f96_story.html

    Funny how the SPLC doesn't seem to have a beef with a black sovereign citizen group.

  15. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Of course they are going to have to throw the 'sovereign citizen' canard into the mix...



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...f96_story.html

    Funny how the SPLC doesn't seem to have a beef with a black sovereign citizen group.
    Not sure there are "groups", as anyone sovereign would be an individualist.

    I know of no groups,, only people who believe something differently.
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  16. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    You are the one talking about Jim Crow; not me. What I am focusing on is one of the pictures you chose to post and your apparent distress over private property rights. I find it curious; especially by someone who calls themselves "libertarian".
    But that picture was from the Jim Crow era, when property owners were forced by government edict to either refuse service to blacks altogether, or to provide "separate but equal" facilities (regardless of what the property owners themselves might have wished). Thus, such "whites only" signage is not necessarily a "libertarian" expression of individual property owners freely choosing to discriminate (though some of those individuals would without doubt have chosen to do so, even in the absence of "Jim Crow" mandates).

    In fact, the odious legal doctrine of "separate but equal" arose as a direct consequence of railroads trying to save money by integrating passenger service (Plessy v. Ferguson). The state of Louisiana forbade such integration in it's infamously unjust Separate Car Act - leading to separate "whites only" and "blacks only" signs for passenger cars. These signs, however, indicated nothing about the actual desires of the property owners (i.e., the railroads), who had actually wanted to integrate the cars (thus resulting in the aforementioned injustice).

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    I think private property owners should have every right to determine who they will do business with and under what conditions. It is up to the customer to accept those conditions or take their business to someone they prefer doing business with. That is how things change and without government force.
    I agree completely with the first two sentences. The problem is with the last sentence. Goverment force is, unfortunately, a major factor in these things - both in forcibly preventing people from doing business together as they see fit (as in the above referenced case of integrated rail passenger service) and in forcibly requiring people to do business together (as in the modern example of bakers being forced to make cakes - or photographers being forced to take pictures - for others). It's hard to change things by means of "live and let live" when the government won't let you "live and let live" ...
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  20. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Now, that applies to all of us, when being dealt with by cops.
    So welcome to the club in seeing what it's been like for some for years at a time.

  21. #168
    Obama was involved in and worked to cover-up Fast and Furious--to name just one such black-op. If anybody thinks this means anything to him, would do well to think again.
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  23. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    I'm sure that you have a source for this. Care to share it?
    Need you, just look into the mirror, there the stats you will find.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    They just had to make sure that they were suitably respectful, didn't get too uppity, etc. or else they might be killed out of hand by whoever so desired, with little to no chance of consequences for their killers.
    Hmmm... Sounds eerily familiar to the way things exist today, yes? Just ask one of the varying variety of gang-bangers that populate a portion of every major city throughout America.
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  24. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    Need you, just look into the mirror, there the stats you will find.
    I haven't bought in to the recent conservative trend to replace stats and logic with feelings. I still remember a day when conservatives derided liberals for valuing feelings over facts, and now it seems that both sides are in a competition for which can be more devoid of actual information and evidence.



    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    Hmmm... Sounds eerily familiar to the way things exist today, yes?
    If you're completely uninformed, I bet it's easy to compare the Jim Crow south to the present day, yes.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  25. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    I haven't bought in to the recent conservative trend to replace stats and logic with feelings. I still remember a day when conservatives derided liberals for valuing feelings over facts, and now it seems that both sides are in a competition for which can be more devoid of actual information and evidence.
    This bears zero issue to the OP's reply, which itself is based in both fact and common sense. Over 50K homicides occur each year in the United States and most of that is gang related crime of "minorities" killing their own or others similar to them.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    If you're completely uninformed, I bet it's easy to compare the Jim Crow south to the present day, yes.
    Actually, no, it is not. Not at ALL. Period.
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  26. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    This bears zero issue to the OP's reply, which itself is based in both fact and common sense.
    In that case it should be easy for you to find at least one source that shows that black mortality rates have increased over the past 50 years.



    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    Actually, no, it is not. Not at ALL. Period.
    Well, I'm convinced.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  27. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    In that case it should be easy for you to find at least one source that shows that black mortality rates have increased over the past 50 years.
    50-years? Segregation started in the 1860's, desegregation in the 1960's. ...Excluding the factor of medical advancements, etc., go view the FBI stats on annual homicides.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Well, I'm convinced.
    Trolling as a troll do trolls.
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  28. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    This bears zero issue to the OP's reply, which itself is based in both fact and common sense. Over 50K homicides occur each year in the United States and most of that is gang related crime of "minorities" killing their own or others similar to them.
    I think that number is closer to 17,000.

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    http://repository.cmu.edu/cgi/viewco...text=hsshonors

    According to the graph on page 32 (actual page number 30) the homicide rate per 100,000 was lower in 2013 (per google) than any year between 1900 and 1970.

  30. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    50-years? Segregation started in the 1860's, desegregation in the 1960's. ...Excluding the factor of medical advancements, etc., go view the FBI stats on annual homicides.
    You'd prefer to go back 150 years? Go for it, see if that helps your case at all.


    The homicide rate includes medical advancements too, you know, as it's an important determining factor as to whether or not the victim dies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
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  32. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by P3ter_Griffin View Post
    I think that number is closer to 17,000.
    Whoops, I got confused with the official MSM figures; however, factor in non-suicide related narcotics deaths and the figure jumps up to around 40K.

    Quote Originally Posted by P3ter_Griffin View Post
    http://repository.cmu.edu/cgi/viewco...text=hsshonors

    According to the graph on page 32 (actual page number 30) the homicide rate per 100,000 was lower in 2013 (per google) than any year between 1900 and 1970.
    I do not think that data relates to ethnicity, just deaths in general. So, not certain how much help they actually are.

    This better shows rapid doubling in deaths per capita after "integration" and the following War on Drugs--which explicitly targeted blacks:

    http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0873729.html





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  33. #178
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    You might even be able to get some of the "Jim Crow is great" crowd in here to agree with you on that, as they're all of the 'authoritarianism for thee but not for me' persuasion.

    As if that's even possible.
    The Jim Crow laws are the doing of the Democrat Party. We don't find many of those big government D's on this site. So I don't think there is a "crowed" as you describe.

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