Just got a call from a church leader asking about Ron Paul

[jmdrake]

This was a local church elder. She wanted to know who it was I supported last presidential election. Of course I said Ron Paul last time and Rand Paul this time. She was curious because she saw something where he was talking about a coming economic marshall law and wanted to talk about that at prayer meeting. I'm sure I can find something. But if someone has some good "America's economy is going to hell in a handbasket and our freedoms will go with them" speeches by Ron Paul please post them here. I'm going to send her some Peter Schiff stuff too.

[Henry Rogue]

Why not start with the Business Cycle Theory? That way She will understand the whay as well as the how. Personally I refrain from promoting any kind of predictions, unless I know it's a guarantee.

[jmdrake]

Why not start with the Business Cycle Theory? That way She will understand the whay as well as the how. Personally I refrain from promoting any kind of predictions, unless I know it's a guarantee.

You trying to put her to sleep? LOL. She asked what Ron was predicting, not for a complete seminar on Austrian Economics. I think its a guarantee that if we keep doing what we are doing we will end up in an economic collapse. And our particular church has always taught that one is eventually coming anyway. (And that's because the Bible teaches that there will one day be a one world economic system and that can only come after an economic collapse.) But thanks anyway.

[jmdrake]

I think this is what she was looking for.



And I guess this is the one you're talking about?

[Henry Rogue]

You trying to put her to sleep? LOL. She asked what Ron was predicting, not for a complete seminar on Austrian Economics. I think its a guarantee that if we keep doing what we are doing we will end up in an economic collapse. And our particular church has always taught that one is eventually coming anyway. (And that's because the Bible teaches that there will one day be a one world economic system and that can only come after an economic collapse.) But thanks anyway.

Yes, catastrophe predictions are exciting, they are also a great way to lose credibility, particularly if an approximate or specific date is included. I would rather see people learn the why and the how, then perhaps we can avoid it.

[Valli6]

Yes, catastrophe predictions are exciting, they are also a great way to lose credibility, particularly if an approximate or specific date is included. I would rather see people learn the why and the how, then perhaps we can avoid it.

What about when those predictions come true?

The Amazingly Accurate Predictions of Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jCOQYVaxwE

Ron Paul's Words of Warning From 1983 to 2008 (mentions our one-time alliance with Bin laden & Sadam Hussein)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evYwPJUY_cc

Someone predicted this economic collapse A year ago, who?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04B3Wl2qouw

Ron Paul in 1999 - Blasts Clinton on Iraq and Wars, Predicts Terrorist Attack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd8jPKwArsM

[erowe1]

This was a local church elder. She wanted to know who it was I supported last presidential election. Of course I said Ron Paul last time and Rand Paul this time. She was curious because she saw something where he was talking about a coming economic marshall law and wanted to talk about that at prayer meeting. I'm sure I can find something. But if someone has some good "America's economy is going to hell in a handbasket and our freedoms will go with them" speeches by Ron Paul please post them here. I'm going to send her some Peter Schiff stuff too.

I wonder what she saw, or heard.

I just within the past couple days heard Ron in a radio ad for some kind of survival food storage or something like that that included allusions to scenarios where that kind of thing could be needed. It wasn't anything bad, but it was just hawking a product. So I hope that that wasn't the source of her first impression on him, or, if it was, she gets some better stuff.

[bunklocoempire]

This was a local church elder. She wanted to know who it was I supported last presidential election. Of course I said Ron Paul last time and Rand Paul this time. She was curious because she saw something where he was talking about a coming economic marshall law and wanted to talk about that at prayer meeting. I'm sure I can find something. But if someone has some good "America's economy is going to hell in a handbasket and our freedoms will go with them" speeches by Ron Paul please post them here. I'm going to send her some Peter Schiff stuff too.

Looks like you got some good ones.

Maybe you have, but in case you didn't, please consider the "love your neighbor" angle as well. Perhaps she's got that covered in it's relationship to liberty, I don't know. I don't bring up politics in my own little church group, but when someone else does, I always try to tie in liberty with the freedom to have voluntary, Christ like, one on one relationships with people. If government steps in as a possible distraction or replacement to these relationships, I point it out. Government deters plenty of relationships. Why have icky relationships when you can just collect a check, or let someone else worry about your own safety or education? Print that easy money and destroy relationships.

Not what was asked, but it is an opportunity to promote Christ like behavior to others in your church, while tying it to the message of liberty.

Prayers up that she is drawn closer to God though your liberty educating efforts. It happened that way for me, liberty takes courage, & the more I learned about liberty, the more I had to seek courage from God. Ongoing.

[jmdrake]

Yes, catastrophe predictions are exciting, they are also a great way to lose credibility, particularly if an approximate or specific date is included. I would rather see people learn the why and the how, then perhaps we can avoid it.

Disaster predictions are also a great way to gain credibility, or have you missed all of the times where Peter Schiff has been announced as the man who predicted the 2008 housing crash? And who said anything about a time prediction? Further it's rather arrogant to answer someone who asks about a video concerning the possibility of a coming financial collapse and martial law with "Here. Watch this video about the business cycle."

The reason people care about whatever it is you want them to care about is that it will either lead to some spectacular good or some spectacular bad. Get people interested in what you are talking about and then you can educate them. Or you can bore them to death. Your choice.

[jmdrake]

What about when those predictions come true?

The Amazingly Accurate Predictions of Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jCOQYVaxwE

Ron Paul's Words of Warning From 1983 to 2008 (mentions our one-time alliance with Bin laden & Sadam Hussein)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evYwPJUY_cc

Someone predicted this economic collapse A year ago, who?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04B3Wl2qouw

Ron Paul in 1999 - Blasts Clinton on Iraq and Wars, Predicts Terrorist Attack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd8jPKwArsM

^This. And just because a prediction may not come true doesn't mean the person with the message shouldn't give it. The prophet Jonah didn't want to go to Ninevah with God's message of doom and destruction because he was afraid the people of Ninevah might repeat and the disaster be averted and he would be seen as a false prophet. That and he just didn't like the Ninevites.

[jmdrake]

Looks like you got some good ones.

Maybe you have, but in case you didn't, please consider the "love your neighbor" angle as well. Perhaps she's got that covered in it's relationship to liberty, I don't know. I don't bring up politics in my own little church group, but when someone else does, I always try to tie in liberty with the freedom to have voluntary, Christ like, one on one relationships with people. If government steps in as a possible distraction or replacement to these relationships, I point it out. Government deters plenty of relationships. Why have icky relationships when you can just collect a check, or let someone else worry about your own safety or education? Print that easy money and destroy relationships.

Not what was asked, but it is an opportunity to promote Christ like behavior to others in your church, while tying it to the message of liberty.

Prayers up that she is drawn closer to God though your liberty educating efforts. It happened that way for me, liberty takes courage, & the more I learned about liberty, the more I had to seek courage from God. Ongoing.

Oh she's already on board with "love your neighbor" and is antiwar.

[jmdrake]

I wonder what she saw, or heard.

I just within the past couple days heard Ron in a radio ad for some kind of survival food storage or something like that that included allusions to scenarios where that kind of thing could be needed. It wasn't anything bad, but it was just hawking a product. So I hope that that wasn't the source of her first impression on him, or, if it was, she gets some better stuff.

Good point. I hope I didn't send her that one.

[Henry Rogue]

Disaster predictions are also a great way to gain credibility, or have you missed all of the times where Peter Schiff has been announced as the man who predicted the 2008 housing crash?

No and here is my favorite one,

And who said anything about a time prediction?

It was inferred in the title of one the videos you posted. "2015", but I don't attribute it to Ron Paul, rather the video creator.

Further it's rather arrogant to answer someone who asks about a video concerning the possibility of a coming financial collapse and martial law with "Here. Watch this video about the business cycle."

My apologies then, I didn't realize I was being arrogant and I wasn't trying to be confrontational.

The reason people care about whatever it is you want them to care about is that it will either lead to some spectacular good or some spectacular bad. Get people interested in what you are talking about and then you can educate them. Or you can bore them to death. Your choice.

ok

[Henry Rogue]

What about when those predictions come true?

The Amazingly Accurate Predictions of Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jCOQYVaxwE

Ron Paul's Words of Warning From 1983 to 2008 (mentions our one-time alliance with Bin laden & Sadam Hussein)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evYwPJUY_cc

Someone predicted this economic collapse A year ago, who?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04B3Wl2qouw

Ron Paul in 1999 - Blasts Clinton on Iraq and Wars, Predicts Terrorist Attack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd8jPKwArsM

Yes, those are good ones.

[jmdrake]

No and here is my favorite one,

Cool. So you are familar with the power of the prediction.

It was inferred in the title of one the videos you posted. "2015", but I don't attribute it to Ron Paul, rather the video creator.

Ummmm...no it wasn't. I didn't post any videos until post #4. You "warned" against timed predictions in post #2. So unless you were able to somehow "predict" the video I was going to post....

My apologies then, I didn't realize I was being arrogant and I wasn't trying to be confrontational.

Sorry. I wasn't being clear. I'm saying that if I was to take your advice and tell someone that specifically asked me for a video where Ron predicted an economic collapse some video on the business cycle then I would be arrogant. I don't know precisely why she asked for the video. Maybe she's doing an overview of predictions being made about the economy? If so, then what good would a video on the business cycle do her?

[Henry Rogue]

Ummmm...no it wasn't. I didn't post any videos until post #4. You "warned" against timed predictions in post #2. So unless you were able to somehow "predict" the video I was going to post....

I reviewed my posts, I guess I don't see what you see.

Oh well, if nothing else, I helped keep your thread bumped.

[specsaregood]

Oh she's already on board with "love your neighbor" and is antiwar.

Personally, I find his speech on the Petrodollar and the eventual end of the Dollar hegemony to be one of the most informative speeches he ever gave.
I prefer it in the written form but:

[jmdrake]

I reviewed my posts, I guess I don't see what you see.

Oh well, if nothing else, I helped keep your thread bumped.

LOL. It's all good. Here is the response I got from the elder.

Thanks. This information is so prophecy fulfilling.

What she was looking for is that even people who are not prechers are talking about a possible economic collapse and that there may be martial law. Whether this particular prediction actually happens in the next couple of years is irrelevant for her purposes. As I've often said with anything conspiracy related, the key is "know your audience." Some things that are a turn off to some people are exactly what someone else needs to hear to be convinced of whatever it is you're trying to say. I think that's why Ron Paul's message is itself so varied in presentation even though it's working through the same concepts.

[jmdrake]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to specsaregood again.

Personally, I find his speech on the Petrodollar and the eventual end of the Dollar hegemony to be one of the most informative speeches he ever gave.
I prefer it in the written form but:

[FindLiberty]

How depressing - like the JW's ringing your doorbell on a otherwise perfectly nice day...

After reading through all the DJT hate, I've come to a different conclusion:

If she is "saved" and planning to vote, voting for Trump may provide the quickest path
to the afterlife if he orders all the nukes to light up the skies in the first week in office.
(Don't tell her why Trump is the best hope to make America go bye bye via WW3,
just say Trump and walk away; or, just say Clinton and walk away. or, say IDK.)

Per the DJT hate talking points, any of the other candidates will do better at
delaying the inevitable SHTF event that ends the world as we know it.

She will still die someday anyhow. Probably happen sooner if too many scare
videos are sent her way. Show some mercy on her...

[Danke]

She was curious because she saw something where he was talking about a coming economic marshall law and wanted to talk about that at prayer meeting.

Expect to be hearing from AF soon.

May want to mention how the Mormons stock up for a rainy day.

[FindLiberty]

It's a trap!

http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/topics/government

Christians should willingly pay their taxes. It's in the Bible, Romans 13:5-7, TLB. "Obey the laws, then, for two reasons: first, to keep from being punished, and second, just because you know you should. Pay your taxes too, for these same two reasons. For government workers need to be paid so that they can keep on doing God's work, serving you. Pay everyone whatever he ought to have: pay your taxes and import duties gladly, obey those over you, and give honor and respect to all those to whom it is due."

[PAF]

Ron Paul of course.

While introducing her to Ron's speeches and writings, it might also be a good idea to introduce her to Judge Andrew Napolitano. He served the bench, had his own program on television (Freedom Watch), and is very down to earth and easy to understand.

The more folks on the side of liberty we can introduce, the better.

http://www.judgenap.com/