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Are you absolutely in love with America in every way?
Do you really think the federal government should be in charge of deciding what it means to be in love with America in every way, and judging us all to see if we make its cut?
What means should the federal government use to accomplish that? And even if you believe some way of measuring that exists, do you trust it with that responsibility?
There are countries where the government does that kind of thing. They are not bastions of freedom.
So you're repeating back to me my question of whose job it is to decide what constitutes a benefit and measure that for us?
If so, then the answer is each of us as individuals answer that for ourselves, and nobody else. This is just as true when it comes to economic exchanges involved in immigration as it is in every other economic exchange. If I decide that I want to employ laborers who come from Latin America because of the benefit that I can pay less for the same amount of productivity from them than I can from others, then that's my decision alone, and it's my right to welcome them onto my property. Central planners are totally incapable of managing the economy according to the evaluations of benefit that can only be made by each individual actor for themselves.
This truth is the very essence of the purpose of this website.
Last edited by Superfluous Man; 02-10-2019 at 07:58 PM.
Wow! And all this time, I had always thought it had been done with things like arrows and spears. They must have been trying to steal the other tribes' welfare cards and jobs, there couldn't be any other possibilities!It is an invasion, this is exactly how ancient tribes used to invade eachother, they just move themselves and their families into the territory and started using the resources of the other tribe.
An excellent example of the fearmongering and divisive language from this particular poster. I remember when the muslim fanatics were the hostile foreigners out to impose their genocidal tyranny against us, our neighbors, and families. They must have all moved to the Latin American countries and become socialists!You can contemplate your navel while hostile foreigners impose tyranny and begin genocide against your neighbors, friends and family if you want but they will come for you too in the end.
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Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Trump & Democrats Near Agreement on DACA
Do you agree with Breitbart narrative that MAGA and Dems are working as team on this issue?
Also Brietbart seems to be going back to its roots, lately it had become bit moderate. Wonder if conservative base rockstar Steve Bannon is back at helm of Breitbart.
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Delta variant, death of 9 Chinese engineers in terror attack led to airport chaos & quick Kabul fall?
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Originally Posted by Superfluous Man I don't understand how that question fits the conversation, unless you left some words out.
Immigration is the job of whoever does the immigrating.
Originally Posted by Superfluous Man
And who's job is it to decide what constitutes a benefit and measure that for us?
It's also my right to employ them here on property that I rightfully own and the government does not, or to sell or rent my property to them, or to welcome them on it as guest for whatever reason I want, as long as I'm not violating anyone else's rights. The decisions of what constitutes a benefit to me in any of those things is mine to make, not the government's.
Every other person in America has these same rights with their property. If some of us want to welcome these people onto our properties, and others don't want to welcome them onto theirs, then those who don't want to welcome them shouldn't have to, but only with respect to their own privately owned property. They don't have a moral license to impose their wills on the rest of us, and the properties that we, and not they, own.
"...we will take America without firing a shot. We do not have to invade
the United States. We will bury you from within'' Khrushchev 1956
The concept applies today;
America can be destroyed via illegal-alien disease, gangs, un ending influx of welfare grabbers, resource thieves,
terrorists, and worst of all; communist, blood-sucking, socialist-liberals.
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Muslim Fanatics still are the enemy, their mission like Judaism is to rule over earth, Muslims vow
genocide on' Christians , and they do just that.
I doubt that. By my observation, the government doesn't make working legally in America smooth as silk for anyone. But even if so, if you believe what you have claimed to believe, you shouldn't think that the government should place stipulations like that on my right to hire whomever I want.
Last edited by Superfluous Man; 02-11-2019 at 06:52 AM.
No. I would let them leave freely and let other property owners, whose properties are none of my business, decide if they want to allow them on their properties. Once they're not on my property, I have no right to impose my will on others. Neither do you, or anyone else.
If you don't want them on your property, you shouldn't be forced to let them be on it. But outside the limits of your own property, you no longer have any legitimate say over whether they should be allowed anywhere else.
ICE has been running dragnet checkpoints in Charlotte the last couple weeks, without local police involved or even notified. People are starting to get pissed off and some ugly videos of confrontations have started coming out. Do we really want federal agents running checkpoints on residential streets in neighborhoods?? That's a really bad precedent to support, given history of what happens when large segments of the population supports such things.
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"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
I'm being told I'm a racist, fascist, freedom hating, forum wrecking, scumbag because I don't want New England (or the rest of the country for that matter, although many places are too far gone) to become New Ghana or New Honduras.
So, change my mind.
Why is this Velazquez broad full of $#@!? (A member of Congress by the way. What do you supposes the reaction would be if a white congresscritter said that?)
Why is she lying about it then, if she is not being truthful?
Why do I have have nothing to fear from her and her kind that she claims to be speaking for by saying "us"?
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