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    San Francisco Could Become the First U.S. City to Ban the Use of Facial Recognition Technology

    Darned California Liberals and their threats to liberty!

    http://time.com/5588098/san-francisc...echnology-ban/

    San Francisco is on track to become the first U.S. city to ban the use of facial recognition by police and other city agencies, reflecting a growing backlash against a technology that’s creeping into airports, motor vehicle departments, stores, stadiums and home security cameras.

    Government agencies around the U.S. have used the technology for more than a decade to scan databases for suspects and prevent identity fraud. But recent advances in artificial intelligence have created more sophisticated computer vision tools, making it easier for police to pinpoint a missing child or protester in a moving crowd or for retailers to analyze a shopper’s facial expressions as they peruse store shelves.

    Efforts to restrict its use are getting pushback from law enforcement groups and the tech industry, though it’s far from a united front. Microsoft, while opposed to an outright ban, has urged lawmakers to set limits on the technology, warning that leaving it unchecked could enable an oppressive dystopia reminiscent of George Orwell’s novel “1984.”

    “Face recognition is one of those technologies that people get how creepy it is,” said Alvaro Bedoya, who directs Georgetown University’s Center on Privacy and Technology. “It’s not like cookies on a browser. There’s something about this technology that really sets the hairs on the back of people’s heads up.”

    Without regulations barring law enforcement from accessing driver’s license databases, people who have never been arrested could be part of virtual police line-ups without their knowledge, skeptics of the technology say.

    They worry people will one day not be able to go to a park, store or school without being identified and tracked.

    Already, a handful of big box stores across the U.S. are trying out cameras with facial recognition that can guess their customers’ age, gender or mood as they walk by, with the goal of showing them targeted, real-time ads on in-store video screens.

    If San Francisco adopts a ban, other cities, states or even Congress could follow, with lawmakers from both parties looking to curtail government surveillance and others hoping to restrict how businesses analyze the faces, emotions and gaits of an unsuspecting public.

    The California Legislature is considering a proposal prohibiting the use of facial ID technology on body cameras. A bipartisan bill in the U.S. Senate would exempt police applications but set limits on businesses analyzing people’s faces without their consent.

    Legislation similar to San Francisco’s is pending in Oakland, California, and on Thursday another proposed ban was introduced in Somerville, Massachusetts.
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    Related:
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKCN1RS2FV


    Microsoft turned down facial-recognition sales on human rights concerns

    PALO ALTO (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp recently rejected a California law enforcement agency’s request to install facial recognition technology in officers’ cars and body cameras due to human rights concerns, company President Brad Smith said on Tuesday.

    Microsoft concluded it would lead to innocent women and minorities being disproportionately held for questioning because the artificial intelligence has been trained on mostly white and male pictures.

    AI has more cases of mistaken identity with women and minorities, multiple research projects have found.

    “Anytime they pulled anyone over, they wanted to run a face scan” against a database of suspects, Smith said without naming the agency. After thinking through the uneven impact, “we said this technology is not your answer.”

    Speaking at a Stanford University conference on “human-centered artificial intelligence,” Smith said Microsoft had also declined a deal to install facial recognition on cameras blanketing the capital city of an unnamed country that the nonprofit Freedom House had deemed not free. Smith said it would have suppressed freedom of assembly there.
    More at link.

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    I was reading this earlier, I'll give them a thumbs up for finally making a rational common sense decision. But they haven't done it yet. Proof is in the pudding.

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    Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in awhile, they probably only want to keep ICE from using it to catch illegals.
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    So no mug shots with the $#@!ting streets map ? LOL
    Do something Danke

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    Only because they think cops are racist and will wield it against "POC". Though I won't complain too much; a good thing done for a bad reason is better than a bad thing done for a good reason.
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    Something's missing here, must be a lot more behind this story,
    and it's not the Constitution or common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Something's missing here, must be a lot more behind this story,
    and it's not the Constitution or common sense.
    Lol, Completely out of form for Ca. isn't it?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Darned California Liberals and their threats to liberty!

    http://time.com/5588098/san-francisc...echnology-ban/
    As if the intent of this move has anything at all to do with “liberty”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in awhile, they probably only want to keep ICE from using it to catch illegals.
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    Only because they think cops are racist and will wield it against "POC". Though I won't complain too much; a good thing done for a bad reason is better than a bad thing done for a good reason.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Something's missing here, must be a lot more behind this story,
    and it's not the Constitution or common sense.
    See the above two reasons, plus coddling and excusing criminals. They don’t want evidence to help prosecute their favored criminals. Think Antifa for starters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    Lol, Completely out of form for Ca. isn't it?
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    Now will those "liberty" lovers there allow free speech?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    See the above two reasons, plus coddling and excusing criminals. They don’t want evidence to help prosecute their favored criminals. Think Antifa for starters.
    Making a lot more sense now........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    See the above two reasons, plus coddling and excusing criminals. They don’t want evidence to help prosecute their favored criminals. Think Antifa for starters.
    I think you nailed it, The perpetual pro-crime "criminals are all victims" stance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Now will those "liberty" lovers there allow free speech?
    Some animals get more free speech than others.
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    Amazing if this actually happens. But this is California we're talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in awhile, they probably only want to keep ICE from using it to catch illegals.
    If they were smart, they'd make facial recognition legal only for use on minorities
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    So they can't make out all the people [ing] in the streets or drug dealers giving people heroine and needles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Darned California Liberals and their threats to liberty!

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    In a blog post, the company admitted: "We have discovered that we were inadvertently collecting and sharing iOS location datawith one of our trusted partners in certain circumstances," adding "Specifically, if you used more than one account on Twitter for iOS and opted into using the precise location feature in one account, we may have accidentally collected location data when you were using any other account(s) on that same device for which you had not turned on the precise location feature."
    Separately, we had intended to remove location data from the fields sent to a trusted partner during an advertising process known as real-time bidding. This removal of location did not happen as planned. However, we had implemented technical measures to “fuzz” the data shared so that it was no more precise than zip code or city (5km squared). This location data could not be used to determine an address or to map your precise movements. The partner did not receive data such as your Twitter handle or other unique account IDs that could have compromised your identity on Twitter. This means that for people using Twitter for iOS who we inadvertently collected location information from, we may also have shared that information with a trusted advertising partner. -Twitter
    Twitter says that the location data was not retained by the trusted partner, and that it only existed in their systems for a short period of time before it was deleted as part of their normal process.
    The company reports that it has fixed the problem and will work to ensure that it doesn't happen again.
    Those who have been affected by the bug have been notified to let them know what happened, and the company is "very sorry this happened."


    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...n-data-due-bug


    Good old twitter (and Fedbook, shadow banning when the are not brave enough to outright banning).
    Last edited by Danke; 05-13-2019 at 08:04 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Darned California Liberals and their threats to liberty!

    Hmmm, what other anti-free speech Corporation is located near San Fran, oh that's right: 1 Hacker Way (2,124.50 mi)
    Menlo Park, California 94025


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Darned California Liberals and their threats to liberty!
    Oh look, another California liberal Corporation shutting down banking access to conservatives exercising free speech:

    2211 N 1st St, San Jose, CA 95131

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    See the above two reasons, plus coddling and excusing criminals. They don’t want evidence to help prosecute their favored criminals. Think Antifa for starters.
    So you favor facial scanning everybody so we can know who is a criminal and who isn't?
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 05-13-2019 at 08:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So you favor facial scanning everybody so we can know who is a criminal and who isn't?
    Nobody said that, we are discussing their bad motives for what is a good policy.
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    nvm, this place is hopeless sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Nobody said that, we are discussing their bad motives for what is a good policy.
    The problem is what you see in one hand is not the true intent. They hold true intent in the hand they are hiding behind their backs.



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