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    More Morgan Freeman impression:




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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Ah, so this isn't about influencing elections, it's about "enemies"?
    Aren't enemies of liberty pushing neocon policy in the whitehouse? Aren't enemies of liberty supporting campaigns against us? Yes this is about recognizing a political enemy. You have to recognize that the MSM influence went away and the internet has more influence over informing people in political campaigns. If they are going to run political campaigns against us, whether its under the employ of the democrat party or not we need to counter those talking points and get the message of liberty out. Instead we had some Ron Paul supporters listening to the Russian narrative and not the "liberty" narrative. That's why we didn't get the Ron Paul vote in Iowa and had to drop out.

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    First off, the only reason they made the video is because the democrats lost. Second, as long as the Russians aren't hacking into the actual voting machines, who cares? As long as you are only trying to influence the voters and not the actuals votes that they cast, what's the problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    First off, the only reason they made the video is because the democrats lost. Second, as long as the Russians aren't hacking into the actual voting machines, who cares? As long as you are only trying to influence the voters and not the actuals votes that they cast, what's the problem?
    Well when we let them into our political campaigns they distort the message. Some people think that this is a war over philosophy and ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Well when we let them into our political campaigns they distort the message. Some people think that this is a war over philosophy and ideas.
    I don't see how you can stop that without some serious limits on freedom of speech. I'd rather have free speech and live with the results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Aren't enemies of liberty pushing neocon policy in the whitehouse? Aren't enemies of liberty supporting campaigns against us? Yes this is about recognizing a political enemy. You have to recognize that the MSM influence went away and the internet has more influence over informing people in political campaigns. If they are going to run political campaigns against us, whether its under the employ of the democrat party or not we need to counter those talking points and get the message of liberty out. Instead we had some Ron Paul supporters listening to the Russian narrative and not the "liberty" narrative. That's why we didn't get the Ron Paul vote in Iowa and had to drop out.
    There is a basic principle that it is not good to allow foreign interests, friend or foe, to interfere in a nations elections. By definition, they have their foreign interests in mind, not the best interests of the nation they are trying to influence.

    This is the excuse and the outrage that the left (and neocons) pretended to be concerned about. Some people are truly concerned about the essential issue of foreign interference, they are not.

    If this is just about identifying "enemies", then John McCain, Bill Kristol and their friends will be more than happy to give you a list of their boogie men. At that point, there is no bright defining line or principle to follow. It's about paranoid delusions and MIC profiteering determining the actions of the nation, which is essentially what we have today.

    When they talk about how terrible "foreign interference" is in US elections, it's nothing but an excuse to manipulate those who might really have a concern about that basic principle.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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    Let's ban AIPAC first.

    We're such hypocrites. We've been publicly manipulating elections and backing coup d'etat in foreign nations for at least 80 years. Hell, we and about a dozen other countries invaded Russia to halt the Marxists and force signature of Brest-Litovsk.
    Last edited by Raginfridus; 09-20-2017 at 10:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    There is a basic principle that it is not good to allow foreign interests, friend or foe, to interfere in a nations elections. By definition, they have their foreign interests in mind, not the best interests of the nation they are trying to influence.

    This is the excuse and the outrage that the left (and neocons) pretended to be concerned about. Some people are truly concerned about the essential issue of foreign interference, they are not.

    If this is just about identifying "enemies", then John McCain, Bill Kristol and their friends will be more than happy to give you a list of their boogie men. At that point, there is no bright defining line or principle to follow. It's about paranoid delusions and MIC profiteering determining the actions of the nation, which is essentially what we have today.

    When they talk about how terrible "foreign interference" is in US elections, it's nothing but an excuse to manipulate those who might really have a concern about that basic principle.
    I'm more concerned about political messaging and liberty. We still have too many people demanding more socialism and more government intervention. These ideas are far more dangerous then any $#@!ty frog memes. I am concerned about influence of American political philosophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Instead we had some Ron Paul supporters listening to the Russian narrative and not the "liberty" narrative. That's why we didn't get the Ron Paul vote in Iowa and had to drop out.
    Completely disagree. "Russian narrative" had nothing to do with it. US based leftist, neocon and teocon propaganda had more to do with it, along with the freight train of a reality TV blow hard that also accurately judged the mood of the electorate and plowed over everyone.

    Trump stole the paleocons, paleolibertarians and anti-globalists. Cruz stole the beltway libertarians and teocons, leaving Rand with less votes than Ron.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Completely disagree. "Russian narrative" had nothing to do with it. US based leftist, neocon and teocon propaganda had more to do with it, along with the freight train of a reality TV blow hard that also accurately judged the mood of the electorate and plowed over everyone.

    Trump stole the paleocons, paleolibertarians and anti-globalists. Cruz stole the beltway libertarians and teocons, leaving Rand with less votes than Ron.
    I disagree I think that's the fake news narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    We still have too many people demanding more socialism and more government intervention.
    You mean like the NatSocs of AIPAC?
    I am concerned about influence of our ideas.
    So don't imbibe the ideas you don't like. Short of Russia buying votes (And USSR/Russia have done this) or stuffing the ballot-box, rabid populism, propaganda, and soap-boxing voters to the ballots are democratic stigmata - they're signs the Republic is no more representative of the people than an orgiastic, mob rule of idiocy. USG should have no further, formal authority regulating where ideas originate, or which ideas sweep the nation and when. We don't need to surrender that liberty in total, "freedom of information" has already been pinched by the censors and lame-brain media tools. Short of total censorship, how can the State prevent foreign manipulations? It cannot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    how can the State prevent foreign manipulations? It cannot.
    I don't think you understand, I just think that sometimes in a political argument you lose sight of context of our political goals of spreading good information. We should be enemies of people who spread disinformation whether the democrat party paid them to do it or not.You shouldn't be able to pay a foreign sacred cow like Israel or Russia or influence our election and then get mad at people that say we should argue against bad ideas, and not let the bad ideas win. I am talking about us exercising our 1st amendment and defending and demanding more liberty because the leftist wont they will pay foreign governments to trick us into surrendering our votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    I disagree I think that's the fake news narrative.
    That's funny, because never once have I seen that analysis come from the media.

    The Russia hysteria is the fake news narrative. Even the media and leftist establishment has given up on that.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    That's funny, because never once have I seen that analysis come from the media.

    The Russia hysteria is the fake news narrative. Even the media and leftist establishment has given up on that.
    Maybe there is more the one way to sell something just like fast food sells heart disease. What were the polls for the republican primaries like before Trumps paper tiger campaign became "legitimate" because of his online troll army? What would the Republican debates look like without Trump in there? I'll tell you what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Maybe there is more the one way to sell something just like fast food sells heart disease. What were the polls for the republican primaries like before Trumps paper tiger campaign became "legitimate" because of his online troll army? What would the Republican debates look like without Trump in there? I'll tell you what.
    Please do tell us what. None of what you posted proves any Russian involvement. Trump joining the race doesn't prove it nor does an army of trolls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Please do tell us what. None of what you posted proves any Russian involvement. Trump joining the race doesn't prove it nor does an army of trolls.
    Yay someone who wants you to prove your point with an inappropriate and impossible amount of proof has appeared

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Yay someone who wants you to prove your point with an inappropriate and impossible amount of proof has appeared
    It amazes me when someone claims there is a mountain of proof, yet they can't produce any. Instead they hide behind a mocking tone and claim there is a mountain of it.
    It's been a very circular debate for the last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    It amazes me when someone claims there is a mountain of proof, yet they can't produce any. Instead they hide behind a mocking tone and claim there is a mountain of it.
    It's been a very circular debate for the last year.
    What argument are you wanting me to prove I argued a lot-TLDR Clinton won the election and the Russians were involved

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    What argument are you wanting me to prove I argued a lot-TLDR Clinton won the election and the Russians were involved
    Ah, I see, a mountain of evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Ah I see you don't want to argue against me just your straw man.
    And there is the mocking tone, yet again devoid of evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    And there is the mocking tone, yet again devoid of evidence.
    What evidence do you want, how many schmeckels how many buschels, define your argument don't make ambiguous straw man arguments and pretend to be taken seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Maybe there is more the one way to sell something just like fast food sells heart disease. What were the polls for the republican primaries like before Trumps paper tiger campaign became "legitimate" because of his online troll army? What would the Republican debates look like without Trump in there? I'll tell you what.
    Online troll army? Ah, you are upset about Hillary. There are trolls around, no doubt about that...
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Online troll army? Ah, you are upset about Hillary. There are trolls around, no doubt about that...
    No I am upset that the political movement i put my time and energy into failed because we failed to define and defend it. This should be Ron Paul's second term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    No I am upset that the political movement i put my time and energy into failed because we failed to define and defend it. This should be Ron Paul's second term.
    Because Russians...
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    What evidence do you want, how many schmeckels how many buschels, define your argument don't make ambiguous straw man arguments and pretend to be taken seriously.
    You mentioned army of trolls. There is not evidence that Russia was behind them. Nor would Russia have to back an army of trolls, Americans are pretty good at trolling already as is in evidence on this forum.

    Trump entering and winning in itself is not evidence.

    Wiki leaks has so far been the closest thing that I have seen but there is no evidence Russia was behind that.

    This whole Russia silliness seems to have erupted because the major establishment candidates wanted a major confrontation with Russia. (My speculation. I have no proof but neither do you. So we have this friendly discussion.). Hopefully with Trump (despite his many flaws) we have a four year reprieve from a confrontation.
    Last edited by RJB; 09-20-2017 at 11:48 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    Wow. That is perfect!

    And it's a given that most the radical left would applaud that speech. No one cares about content, it's about who is doing the speaking.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Dont tell me what my argument is that's not what my argument was at all you dick.
    I am not being a smartass when I say this, but I thought that is what your argument was all about. I must have misunderstood you.
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