Freedom's Ground--it has been awhile...

[Mckarnin]

...since I posted a new thread for the organization and I am working daily to make it a reality behind the scenes. I enjoy interacting with Freedom Movement folks and answering your questions about what is being done. So, take a look around the Freedom's Ground temporary website and let me know if you have questions/concerns/comments.

Main page: www.freedomsground.org
Incentive Merchandise: http://freedomsground.org/WebAthon.htm
Why: http://freedomsground.org/tAboutUs.htm


Katharine

[bucfish]

Bump for Freedoms Ground Lets educate the Populas!

[Primbs]

The T shirts look pretty good.

[Mckarnin]

The T shirts look pretty good.

They are nice..and thick. I have one of every model...Lady Liberty with a gun has gotten a lot of positive feedback wherever she is worn.

[Penners]

I absolutely love my Lady Liberty with a gun shirt! Freedom IS back and it IS personal!

[constitutional]

They are nice..and thick. I have one of every model...Lady Liberty with a gun has gotten a lot of positive feedback wherever she is worn.

You look good.

[Mckarnin]

You look good.

LOL.Thanks. So much for being shy...how about Ron Paul cured my timidity.

[Mckarnin]

I absolutely love my Lady Liberty with a gun shirt! Freedom IS back and it IS personal!

Oh yay! So glad you got it and love it.

[lastnymleft]

Katherine,

As an anti-theist, I'd prefer you use the term "secular", rather than the term "nonsectarian", in describing Freedom's Ground. Why bring gods into it? You are only setting yourself up to alienate those of us that are irreligious.

Beware the power of words!

[0zzy]

Katherine,

As an anti-theist, I'd prefer you use the term "secular", rather than the term "nonsectarian", in describing Freedom's Ground. Why bring gods into it? You are only setting yourself up to alienate those of us that are irreligious.

Beware the power of words!

You didn't feel alienated, did you?

[lastnymleft]

You didn't feel alienated, did you?

Enough to resent it, and make the post. For some, suggestions of religiosity may be enough not to get involved, or not donate, or not even read further. (It was, after all, mentioned in the first sentence.)

The message ISN'T about religion, so why wittingly introduce such? Best just change the word. (Or was the intent to include religion as part of the message? To that, I would strongly object!)

[robert4rp08]

Freeeeeeeeeeedommmmmmmmmmmmm!

[STRATIOTES]

Enough to resent it, and make the post. For some, suggestions of religiosity may be enough not to get involved, or not donate, or not even read further. (It was, after all, mentioned in the first sentence.)

The message ISN'T about religion, so why wittingly introduce such? Best just change the word. (Or was the intent to include religion as part of the message? To that, I would strongly object!)

Excellent ! The sooner fools that are offended by words and ideas are run off the better,

[Mckarnin]

Katherine,

As an anti-theist, I'd prefer you use the term "secular", rather than the term "nonsectarian", in describing Freedom's Ground. Why bring gods into it? You are only setting yourself up to alienate those of us that are irreligious.

Beware the power of words!

Good point. I suppose if we do not present ourselves religiously there is no reason for anyone to believe that we espouse any faith organizationally. Thanks!

[Mckarnin]

Enough to resent it, and make the post. For some, suggestions of religiosity may be enough not to get involved, or not donate, or not even read further. (It was, after all, mentioned in the first sentence.)

The message ISN'T about religion, so why wittingly introduce such? Best just change the word. (Or was the intent to include religion as part of the message? To that, I would strongly object!)

I appreciate your bringing this to my attention. Sometimes one forgets that while differences between theistic religions can be divisive differences between those who are religious and those who are not can be equally divisive. The message isn't about religion so we will pull references to it, you're right.

[acptulsa]

Excellent ! The sooner fools that are offended by words and ideas are run off the better,

I'm offended by socialism, overregulation and tyranny. Should I be run off?

[Mckarnin]

Freeeeeeeeeeedommmmmmmmmmmmm!

A few more books and a few less weapons but what the heck....

[STRATIOTES]

I'm offended by socialism, overregulation and tyranny. Should I be run off?

The philosophy of liberty demands the freedom of expression when individuals with private agendas against freedom demand that certain words and ideas should not be used because they offend the ignorant, well there is no need to explain further.

[Mckarnin]

The philosophy of liberty demands the freedom of expression when individuals with private agendas against freedom demand that certain words and ideas should not be used because they offend the ignorant, well there is no need to explain further.

This is a bit of a slippery slope to get onto because interpreting certain terms, concepts, religions, lifestyle choices, political persuasions as offensive is a matter of personal choice. If Freedom is going to be promoted as a universal we need to strip it of as many unnecessary distinctions as possible. As this promotion of Freedom is part of the mission of Freedom's Ground it makes sense for us to be as universal as possible without sacrificing our platform.

Ultimately if we get our Personal Freedom back we will all be able to choose to express ourselves and live our lives as we please within whatever framework (or lack thereof) we espouse.

[STRATIOTES]

But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add “within the limits of the law,” because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual. --Thomas Jefferson

[Mckarnin]

But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add “within the limits of the law,” because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual. --Thomas Jefferson

Nice quote.

[Mckarnin]

Thank you for signing up for updates...I think we've had almost as many people sign up as we have had posts in this thread (other than mine).

[lastnymleft]

The philosophy of liberty demands the freedom of expression when individuals with private agendas against freedom demand that certain words and ideas should not be used because they offend the ignorant, well there is no need to explain further.

I'm sorry, but where have you been, Mr. 34 posts? Have you been sitting out the r3V0Lution thus far? Are you somehow suggesting that I have "private agendas against freedom", that I have been masking in the months that I have been active here? Or are you somehow equating freedom with religiosity? (Note, I didn't say "OF religiosity", I said "WITH religiosity") Because that's what you seem to be saying: "If you are not religious, $#@! off" - a moronic attitude, when - as Katherine rightly points out - freedom is a big tent, that includes atheists, and anti-theists, and when r3V0Lutionaries are dispersing as rapidly as they came together. It seems to me that it is YOU that is undermining the cause of freedom, by accelerating that dispersal, contrary to the uniting goal of Katherine's organization.

Or is it just YOU that are ignorant, and just don't know the difference between sectarian, nonsectarian, and secular?



p.s. Thank you for your responses, and willingness to keep the tent big, Katherine.

[Mckarnin]

The whole point of freedom is that people get to decide these things for themselves. Freedom's Ground isn't going to try to tell people how to use their freedom. We're going to educate people on the workings of our country and the Constitution. We will work for everyone's personal freedom and let them do what they want with it. Freedom is one of the truest gifts in that by its very nature you are free what ever you want with it.

I <3 Freedom!

I'm sorry, but where have you been, Mr. 34 posts? Have you been sitting out the r3V0Lution thus far? Are you somehow suggesting that I have "private agendas against freedom", that I have been masking in the months that I have been active here? Or are you somehow equating freedom with religiosity? (Note, I didn't say "OF religiosity", I said "WITH religiosity") Because that's what you seem to be saying: "If you are not religious, $#@! off" - a moronic attitude, when - as Katherine rightly points out - freedom is a big tent, that includes atheists, and anti-theists, and when r3V0Lutionaries are dispersing as rapidly as they came together. It seems to me that it is YOU that is undermining the cause of freedom, by accelerating that dispersal, contrary to the uniting goal of Katherine's organization.

Or is it just YOU that are ignorant, and just don't know the difference between sectarian, nonsectarian, and secular?



p.s. Thank you for your responses, and willingness to keep the tent big, Katherine.

[Mckarnin]

"Sow Freedom One Mind at a Time."

Right now for so many Americans the idea of true freedom is just a tiny sprout or perhaps has not been planted at all. We need to be gentle and carefully prepare the ground thinking always of the harvest we want when sowing this message.

[FreeTraveler]

True, and we must also remember that if we cover a sprout too deeply in bull$#@!, it will never see the sun again. I think separating the freedom message from any reference to religion is the right decision.

"Sow Freedom One Mind at a Time."

Right now for so many Americans the idea of true freedom is just a tiny sprout or perhaps has not been planted at all. We need to be gentle and carefully prepare the ground thinking always of the harvest we want when sowing this message.

[Mckarnin]

True, and we must also remember that if we cover a sprout too deeply in bull$#@!, it will never see the sun again. I think separating the freedom message from any reference to religion is the right decision.

LOL..too much manure would burn a sprout...

[robert4rp08]

Shifty, shifty eyes.... haha! Katharine is great and so is Freedom's Ground!

Although, the name should be changed to FREEEEEEEEEEEDOMMMMMMMMMMM'S GROUND! (yes, all capitals)

[Mckarnin]

Shifty, shifty eyes.... haha! Katharine is great and so is Freedom's Ground!

Although, the name should be changed to FREEEEEEEEEEEDOMMMMMMMMMMM'S GROUND! (yes, all capitals)

Perhaps you can enter that in one of our future t-shirt contests that we will hold....

[Soccrmastr]

I voted that I dont really like the idea but thats wrong. I love the idea, but I just dont think this will be able to develop very far, especially when the movement dies down more than it even has now.