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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by 106459 View Post

    I'm not understanding the "never-call-the-cops" sentiment in this thread.
    It is very simple.

    It starts with the definition of Police. And that means "to Control".
    They are an authoritarian construct.. imported to this country from Authoritarian nations.

    Free people do not need to be controlled.. and the idea that they do is rooted in elitism.

    Police should not exist,, and in fact can not exist in a free society.

    Period.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    You can't stop them yourself, the cops would come after you for it.
    and just why is that?

    Oh yeah,, because they exist..

    That needs to change.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  4. #63
    It'd be a hell of a thing to call in a drunk driving report only to have the drunk driver flee arrest, at the first whiff of cop, and guarantee 105 miles an hour wreck.

  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    what happened to BS where the government hired someone?
    Hahaha, I don't recall that being brought up - if we're going to fire everyone in public education, get our tax money back, and fund private institutions that'd be great . Otherwise, I'm not optimistic her replacement will be quite as friendly to our causes.

    On that note, yeah - hopefully she can get a better job at a private institution, that reminds me of my personal policy of never working for the government.



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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Actually that is not true, you know, one of my guilty pressures is watching the prison documentaries on MSNBC and watching it, you would not believe how many times someone whose life was going in the wrong direction got it turned around because of an arrest. Encounters with the police can sometimes be a needed wake up call.
    Translation: law is not there to settle disputes between individuals. Law is there to control your behavior and make you act in a manner according to the state's wishes.

    I mean, I wouldn't call you a fascist pig if you hadn't been on this site for the last six years, because I'd know you were likely never exposed to any idea other than the one you just espoused. But here we are, apparently.

    Also, the saying about the media that goes like this "if it bleeds, it leads" applies to the horror stories we hear about cops. I mean, no reporter would spend the time reporting on the millions of other interactions between the police and citizen where nothing bad happened. The selective reporting by the media is the biggest reason why we have this very bad impression about the police.
    Ok, so there are no stories of cops doing good things? None at all?
    I remember some of them being posted here by people who thought the same way you do. They always boiled down to cops doing what we would expect any random person to do. Like picking up an infant out of a garbage heap, or trying to get an elderly person out of a burning car.
    Congratulations, cop, you acted like a human being. You deserve a medal!

    On the other hand, anyone who puts my life in danger by driving drunk deserves the police. Like Frank rep says "he brought it on him/herself.
    So yes, you are saying that if someone has three drinks in a hour and gets behind a wheel, that person deserves to die.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    It is very simple.

    It starts with the definition of Police. And that means "to Control".
    They are an authoritarian construct.. imported to this country from Authoritarian nations.

    Free people do not need to be controlled.. and the idea that they do is rooted in elitism.

    Police should not exist,, and in fact can not exist in a free society.

    Period.
    Taking a crack at replying here without having to contemplate an over-arching end-all philosophy...

    Assuming the definition of the police is "to control", I'm not sure why that has to be immediately applied to all people, as opposed to rightful criminals? I can see how under our current government the concern is to create a "people" who are criminals at any point in time for any reason, but that strikes me as more a problem of our form of government rather than the existence of the police. From an initial perspective, police controlling an appropriate definition of criminal seems like a good thing.

    Personally, I can see myself as having a higher quality-of-life if there was a way to keep criminals from having a negative impact on me or society, without implying that I become personally responsible for resolving all issues (and accepting the liabilities involved). I suppose that's how law enforcement came to be, the idea that someone can't just commit a crime (get away, move states), life a normal life and repeat, because there's an agency who's job it is to ensure that criminals are apprehended/subsequently sentenced to justice.

    With that said, I can understand how that's ultimately a personal preference, and you actually shouldn't be required to buy-in to my notions of a good society. I suppose that's why a lot of people got together and tried to establish a limited (and partitioned government) to form a baseline people could agree upon, which had criminal laws introduced at various levels, and law enforcement created.

    I think we both see the current cluster$#@! the current government is, but if it had to be recreated I would probably still vote to have a police force, at whatever level of government that's appropriate. I get the feeling you wouldn't, I'm open to alternative ideas if there's a good theory not involving an otherwise unrelated individual having sole responsibility (and authority) to apprehend or not apprehend a criminal when they may just want to live their life.

  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Translation: law is not there to settle disputes between individuals. Law is there to control your behavior and make you act in a manner according to the state's wishes.
    Different laws are enacted for different reason, saying "the law" is this or not is too much of a broad statement for me to work with. Drunk driving laws even though they used in a secondary way to collect state fund is primarily there to keep the roads safe. They are put in the law books to remove dangerous actors from the road. This law would be enforced even in private run roads

    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    I mean, I wouldn't call you a fascist pig if you hadn't been on this site for the last six years, because I'd know you were likely never exposed to any idea other than the one you just espoused. But here we are, apparently.
    I mean, I wouldn't call you an ideologue because I do not believe that you would act like your forum persona when faced with the scenario in real life. I think this is just talk.

    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Ok, so there are no stories of cops doing good things? None at all?
    I remember some of them being posted here by people who thought the same way you do. They always boiled down to cops doing what we would expect any random person to do. Like picking up an infant out of a garbage heap, or trying to get an elderly person out of a burning car.
    Congratulations, cop, you acted like a human being. You deserve a medal!
    Well, it is not a secret that the vast majority of the police stories covered in the media is of the police misbehaving variety. Yes there are exception to every rule and congratulations, you found it.

    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    So yes, you are saying that if someone has three drinks in a hour and gets behind a wheel, that person deserves to die.
    The scenario that I am going by is the one I asked presence and that is "What would you do if you witnessed a drunk/impaired driver, speeding and driving reckless on the road?" I really do not care how much someone drink just as long as they are driving safely on the road. The 3 drink criteria is not what I am arguing about.

  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by 106459 View Post
    I'm open to alternative ideas
    grant police no powers beyond the common mundane
    remove all involuntary tax funding
    all volunteer force
    problem solved

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

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    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

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    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    About all I needed from you to bring my respect to zero.
    Congratulation to me!!!!

    Going from our history the last few weeks, that number must have gone way up from a much bigger -ive number. I must go out tonight to celebrate this great news but just know I would be thinking about you when drinking tonight. Don't worry, uber will be driving me home tonight, hate to bring some of that police brutality upon myself

  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    grant police no powers beyond the common mundane
    remove all involuntary tax funding
    all volunteer force
    problem solved
    Just as you may have additional stipulations if it came to fruition, I reserve the right to any reservations .

    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    grant police no powers beyond the common mundane
    -Seems reasonable. All people should have the right to apprehend a criminal, and that's the only power police should need. Makes sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    remove all involuntary tax funding
    -Seems appropriate, no one should have to pay for something they don't want (and particularly won't use, especially in its current state).
    • It would raise concern with others that a vital service won't get funding, and not exist.
    o I'd argue that a vital service would get funding, and if it didn't then it must not be so vital
    • It raises the concern that people could avoid paying for a service but still enjoy all the benefits
    o I suppose it'd be appropriate for those who pay to receive benefits as intended, but those in need to have accessibility via a pre-determined private rate (determined solely by the police agency, which presumably does want to uphold law and service as many people as possible ... otherwise, grounds for another agency to crop up)

    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    all volunteer force
    • Presumably, the any funding the agency would receive would be enough to compensate volunteers. (Otherwise, I’ll be spending my life taking a job that puts food on my table).
    o Presumably, any concerns about inadequate funding aren’t relevant. In my mind, I imagine a “coming of age” PSA put together by someone/organization that cares, telling you that you’re an adult and these are the things you need to know/pay for (or these are the consequences). No other cure for stupidity I don’t think, not off-hand.
    • Having to be paid a full-time wage for full-time work kind of makes them seem more like employees ... and raises concerns about employee/employer liability, specifically in regards to excessive force/violation of individual rights
    o Granted police are the saviors that people claim them to be, I don’t see why there wouldn’t be an insurance agency that could provide affordable insurance to the “volunteer” officers, and that their compensation would afford them this. Added benefit of bad/uninsurable officers being forced out due to their own financial concerns.

    Great start, if not more. I would especially like the idea that people could de-fund the agency if it had bad policy, which is the incentive to change.

    With all that out of the way, and under the assumption that we live in a world with your ideal police force, if you saw a drunk driver (visibly maintaining inadequate control of his vehicle, drifting from lane etc), would you call those police as a legitimate concern? Or does your previous post #19 stand? (Which I summarize as no violence/no issue – no call).

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by 106459 View Post


    -Seems reasonable. All people should have the right to apprehend a criminal, and that's the only power police should need. Makes sense.

    .
    Not a right.. but a duty.

    one that has been abdicated by most. and replaced with reliance on Govt.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Not a right.. but a duty.

    one that has been abdicated by most. and replaced with reliance on Govt.
    I came "this" close to editting that into my post. I would agree, it would be a duty for someone who saw a blatant crime to ensure it's stopped.

    That said, I envisioned my hypothetical scenario where my wife (who sadly, is hypothetical) is driving down the road and witnesses a drunk driver who's a clear threat to any other driver near them. Unfortunately, as a husband, I would probably just encourage my wife to pull off the road and stay away from him, so she can come back to me (in my own selfish human desire).

    So I suppose that's the not-so-black-and-white reality in my mind at the moment, people have duties, but I would never presume that people will selflessly fulfill their obligations.



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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by 106459 View Post
    -Seems reasonable. All people should have the right to apprehend a criminal, and that's the only power police should need. Makes sense.
    .



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  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Et tu Suz?

    What facts have you seen that made you think that cartoon represented the events that was described in the OP article? And no she did not report herself per say.
    There seems to be little to no compassion around her for someone who is definitely a team member, it seems like we are too quick around here to eat our own and that is very sad.
    I don't want to eat her, jules. She was forced into porn? Really? She wasn't some young kid, she was a 21 year old woman, ffs. Honestly, I don't care if she did porn but I'd have more respect for her if she just point blank owned up to it. She's coming across as a perpetual victim.

    She made a poor choice in her youth and it's coming back to bite her. I've been there. I totally sympathize with her but at least I had the balls to own up to my mistake and not blame someone else for forcing me to do it.


    She was told by the school admin that if the story went public, it would lead to a possible termination and while she was living her life and being politically active, some $#@! decided to doxx her and make her porn story public. This is when she proactively trigger the inevitable and informed the administration of the doxxing. This is not the same thing as her "reporting herself."
    Actually, I reread the story and someone called and complained about her porn past and that's when the school told her it could lead to termination if it became public. Then the guy outed her on FB and that's when she reported herself as outed to the school. I can see why she reported herself and I can see why they're letting her go.

    As far as the guy who doxxed her goes, he's a douche. I'm not sure what she can about him. Personally, I would out him for being a douche bag but that's me. His name would've been all over those articles.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    She wasn't some young kid, she was a 21 year old woman, ffs
    You don't think being 21 years old is still very young? You must be 22.

  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    You don't think being 21 years old is still very young? You must be 22.
    Sure. A twenty one year old is a young ADULT. A grown up, not a kid. And it's been awhile since I've seen 21 or 22.

    I'm not bashing the woman for doing porn (for three years - I guess she was forced for three years?) and I commend her for getting her $#@! together but it's my opinion that she's playing the victim card. I'm not excusing the douche bag for doxxing her, either. He's clearly an ass who deserves a taste of his own medicine.

    I suppose I could be wrong. The older man she was living with who desperately needed money could've been forcing her to star in 16 (if I recall correctly) films over three years in her early twenties. o_O
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    You don't think being 21 years old is still very young? You must be 22.
    It was when I was robbing banks.

    and no one "forced" me to do that either.

    Lots of people do stupid stuff that they survive and learn from.

    of course I was not too young at 17 to volunteer for VietNam either.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  21. #78
    We should be encouraging porn stars to change careers. Texas teachers' unions must be impotent.

  22. #79
    So what does it matter what she did for a living before she became a teacher?

  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    So what does it matter what she did for a living before she became a teacher?
    Cute broads who $#@! for money are hated by everyone they're not $#@!ing....

    Some'll hate her for being cute, others for not $#@!ing them,while others will hate her for $#@!ing without a ring on her finger...



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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Cute broads who $#@! for money are hated by everyone they're not $#@!ing....

    Some'll hate her for being cute, others for not $#@!ing them,while others will hate her for $#@!ing without a ring on her finger...
    And many of those same people will say they are loving their neighbor as they love themselves.

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    And many of those same people will say they are loving their neighbor as they love themselves.
    Our warped sense of fairness turns this into an eye for an eye. Hate thy neighbor as thy hate themselves. I think if we expect others to treat us fairly then we should start with the government being an example of fairness. If people in Sub-zero temperatures can't burn wood for heat then why does California always seem to be on fire and not get any heat for it? If Clinton broke the law she should be subject to the laws that she helped establish.

  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by alucard13mm View Post
    Her alias is important .. time to do some research on Robyn Foster
    Way ahead of you.
    I am the spoon.

  28. #84
    saw this on r/libertarian today, some more details to the story:

    https://libertyviral.com/how-a-liber...arians-career/

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