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There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.
It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.
Our words make us the ghosts that we are.
Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.
"There is no collective of individuals with shared beliefs. There is no collective of individuals acting in a concerted manner. It is all a figment of your imagination. Only an individual has consciousness and a will, therefore it is the only thing that is real."
Rank idiocy.
There is no such thing as a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. And people who claim such as usually just tinpot tyrants looking to manipulate the public for power, like the originator of that phrase Abraham Lincoln.
In a society that believes in individual inalienable rights no one else has a right to govern you. You govern yourself. Property rights prevent the government form justly regulating businesses (because the government doesn't own them) and immigration (because you have no right to regulate and control property you do not own).
Any violation of human rights is unjust.
And the biggest, most violent, most brutal aggressor is the government. It strips you of your rights as a matter of course, to merely exist.
But your definition of sovereignty is wrong. It isn't who has the power, it is who has the rightful power. And the individual is the only being in existence that has rightful sovereign power.
To pretend that just because you and your friends can rape and murder someone else that makes you the rightful ruler is the most ridiculous and evil claim there is.
Those stipulations amount to abolishing the state, i.e. are impossible to realize.
It's impossible to provide security on a non-territorial basis due to the free rider problem.
It's impossible to not have a security monopoly.
...not quite sure you mean in your third point.
Spare me the sanctimonious claptrap. History is rife with rightful rulers that were tyrants. What made them rightful? Their ability to hold power. That is the long and the short of it, and always will be. Whether they were good and just or evil and rapacious mattered not at all, they were sovereign all the same. They are sovereign until another force overrules them, whether it be by man's hand or the whims of nature.
Telling slaves they are rightful sovereigns is pointless absent any action that gives force to the notion. Even if, by your logic, they are sovereign, the effective value of that observation is... Nothing. Their condition does not change and the sovereign holding sway over those lives is unmoved.
The only individual that is sovereign is that which will use their force to defend themselves against the claims of others. That person is exceedingly rare, and it does not come about by the simple fact of their existence. It applies to those that actively resist the force of others, not those fancying themselves free without having done a damn thing to make themselves free.
To be sovereign one must have power. If you do not have power, then you are subject to the whims of those that have power. Claiming that their power is not rightful is stupid and useless.
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Nothing impossible about stateless societies. They have existed through much of history. They were simply small and local. There is nothing suggesting that you couldn't have a large stateless society though, especially today.
Your second and third points are flawed too. We provide security on a non-territorial basis all the time. Cities will have five or six different security companies working in the same areas. Private armed security companies interact all the times, especially at high profile events with celebrities and the wealthy. The only think standing in teh way is the state monopoly, not reality.
The standard libertarian response would be that the nobles, having originally acquired the land by conquest, did not genuinely own it.
That's largely true, but it doesn't explain the practical problems of feudalism.
Those problems are explained by the lack of respect for property rights inherent to feudalism.
Some examples:
(1) land was often inalienable, passed down the family line according to fixed rules
(2) debts (including those constituting serfdom) were often hereditary
I assumed we were speaking of civilized societies.
Sure, statelessness is possible (indeed, mandatory) when there is not enough taxable surplus to feed a state.
I'm talking about military-scale security.Your second and third points are flawed too. We provide security on a non-territorial basis all the time. Cities will have five or six different security companies working in the same areas. Private armed security companies interact all the times, especially at high profile events with celebrities and the wealthy. The only think standing in teh way is the state monopoly, not reality.
Suppose we're neighbors. You pay DefendCo for their services. I don't
It would be impossible for DefendCo to protect your house from, say, strategic bombing without protecting mine in the process.
Hence I can freeride. Indeed, everyone in the area can freeride. Which means security will be underproduced.
The area trying to muddle through with private security will be conquered by a state, able to overcome the freerider problem by taxation.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.
Superfluous Man comes through with a thoroughly superfluous statement.
If any human is so stupid as to fail to recognize a group of humans with a common purpose, then they deserve what is coming to them. The word "army" has a clear meaning, is pretty well understood by all, and yet we've got people like you that would reduce it to individuals for no purpose.
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