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    Trump moving in direction for Ron Paul and Robert Taft, backing away from NATO

    Trump moving in direction for Ron Paul and Robert Taft, backing away from NATO

    The 45th president had been expected to promise that America would defend its NATO allies if they ever came under attack. That principle of collective defense is, in theory, cemented by Article 5 of the alliance's charter, NATO's core tenet. It means that "an attack against one ally is considered as an attack against all."

    No other president since NATO was founded in 1949 has questioned that principle — until Trump.

    He's called the alliance "obsolete" and has repeatedly urged its members to pay more toward bolstering their own militaries. Many of these nations do not currently meet NATO's recommended spending targets, and Trump has threatened that, unless they up their game, the U.S. might not back them up in a fight.
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    NATO recommends that each nation spend 2 percent of its gross domestic product on defense. Only five of the 28 members currently do so — the U.S., Greece, Estonia, the U.K. and Poland.
    What better way to draw an outsider president into a war? Yep, have the deep state start something in Europe and then force Trump in.

    But now Trump has a pretext to not jump in, NATO has not been paying their 2% fee. The way I see it, if you do not pay your premiums, your coverage lapses.

    This is a proud moment for Robert Taft, Ron Paul, and Rand Paul. It is a proud moment for America.
    Last edited by Galileo Galilei; 05-26-2017 at 09:31 AM.
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    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    If you put that video up every time Donald Trump does something good, that song might start to get kind of irritating.
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Trump isn't backing away from NATO. He is just playing hardball. Its a basic business tactic.

    And he is nothing like Ron Paul here. Trump has no problem with the wars and military aggression NATO starts or America's role in them. He just wants NATO members to pay more money. Ron Paul has a deeply moral objection to NATO and would leave it on principle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Trump isn't backing away from NATO. He is just playing hardball. Its a basic business tactic.

    And he is nothing like Ron Paul here. Trump has no problem with the wars and military aggression NATO starts or America's role in them. He just wants NATO members to pay more money. Ron Paul has a deeply moral objection to NATO and would leave it on principle.
    If he truly had a problem with "the deal", he could have vetoed the whole thing instead of letting Montenegro join.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul



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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    NATO is an important alliance body and without it none of the major freedom wars of last couple of decade would have been waged the same way. If Trump weakened NATO, freedom based wars would be difficult to wage in future.

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    NATO was the only international body that stood with America during Iraqi Freedom war
    Which is one of the best reasons to end it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    If he truly had a problem with "the deal", he could have vetoed the whole thing instead of letting Montenegro join.
    The veto would have been overridden. Only 2 senators voted against it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    The veto would have been overridden. Only 2 senators voted against it.
    President Paul would have vetoed it.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    President Paul would have vetoed it.
    OK, how would that benefit me or anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    OK, how would that benefit me or anyone?
    How would Rand speaking out and voting against it benefit anyone?
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    I hear Trump is Ron Paul on steroids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    I hear Trump is Ron Paul on steroids.
    On Something anyway.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    MIC:

    All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State.
    -Albert Camus



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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    How would Rand speaking out and voting against it benefit anyone?
    It was good that Rand spoke out against it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    I hear Trump is Ron Paul on steroids.
    There is some truth to that.
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