Can Attitude Be More Important than Fact?

[pcosmar]

Nonsense.

Not only are you judging me unjustly but this whole discussion started about the very principle of helping yourself at all.

No,, The OP supposition that attitude is more important than fact.. (only in the mind of a Narcissist)

You posted a FALSE statement that God helps those who help themselves..

It is false and you are too blind to see it...

[pcosmar]

But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly and despised things of the world, and the things that are not, to nullify the things that are

[Swordsmyth]

No,, The OP supposition that attitude is more important than fact.. (only in the mind of a Narcissist)

I said our discussion not the thread.

You posted a FALSE statement that God helps those who help themselves..

It is false and you are too blind to see it...

It is true and you are too blind to see it.

[pcosmar]

It is true and you are too blind to see it.

No it is NOT,, It is a Quote from Poor Richards Almanac.

and it is not true

There is a Promise in scripture.. That He will Bless what you put your hand to in faith..

The LORD will cause the enemies who rise up against you to be defeated before you. They will march out against you in one direction but flee from you in seven. The LORD will decree a blessing on your barns and on everything to which you put your hand; the LORD your God will bless you in the land He is giving you. The LORD will establish you as His holy people, just as He has sworn to you, if you keep the commandments of the LORD your God and walk in His ways.

But it has nothing to do with SELF...
It is God's Promise to those that SERVE

Give generously to them and do so without a grudging heart; then because of this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to.

[Swordsmyth]

No it is NOT,, It is a Quote from Poor Richards Almanac.

and it is not true

There is a Promise in scripture.. That He will Bless what you put your hand to in faith..



But it has nothing to do with SELF...
It is God's Promise to those that SERVE

It is predicated on helping yourself:

to which you put your hand

[pcosmar]

It is predicated on helping yourself:

Whoooosh!!!

[Swordsmyth]

Whoooosh!!!

WHOOOOOOOSH!!!!! yourself.

If you put your hand to something you are helping yourself and then the LORD will help you.

[timosman]

Whoooosh!!!

[pcosmar]

It is predicated on helping yourself:

Wrong again,, BUT IT IS NO WONDER YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.

The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and snared. They have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom do they really have?

He chose the lowly and despised things of the world, and the things that are not, to nullify the things that are

It is based on Helping others,,

We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.

That promise is to those who serve.. It is based in Selflessness..

just the very opposite of what you suggest..

Wealth is gained by giving freely.

[Swordsmyth]

Wrong again,, BUT IT IS NO WONDER YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.



It is based on Helping others,,



That promise it to those who serve.. It is based in Selflessness..

just the very opposite of what you suggest..

Wealth is gained by giving freely.

You must do both and we aren't just talking about wealth.

[pcosmar]

You must do both and we aren't just talking about wealth.

And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment.

You can not understand. But someone might.

[DamianTV]

How do we distinguish between the two?

I think its important to consider the ideas we have might be wrong. Its most useful when adopting new ideas. When compared to someone deep in delusion on ANY subject, they make $#@! up to suit their view of the subject instead of looking at the facts to determine if the idea is right or wrong. In the delusional mind, they are already right, and just need to prove they are. For example, the moon is made of cheese. Cant you tell by the holes in the moon cheese?

[PAF]

I don't see how that is relevant but I don't believe in debtors prison and you can help people without letting them in to take over your country and trample you rights.

Truth:

Christ never advocated "barrier walls". He understood force/theft by government/those in power. He advocated self-responsibility and to help others "voluntarily". He advocated repenting and forgiveness. Christ was indeed a libertarian. In no way, shape or form was he a statist.

[acptulsa]

Galileo discovered the truth of that, when he presented people like Swordshyll with a fact that gave them an attitude. He was lucky to get off with house arrest the last eight-nine years of his life.

[Swordsmyth]

Truth:

Christ never advocated "barrier walls". He understood force/theft by government/those in power. He advocated self-responsibility and to help others "voluntarily". He advocated repenting and forgiveness. Christ was indeed a libertarian. In no way, shape or form was he a statist.

John 10:1

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.”

King James Version (KJV)

[pcosmar]

John 10:1

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.”

King James Version (KJV)

I know,, I was in a cage for robbing banks when I met Him.

and I knew real freedom. Not from the cage,, but in the cage..
I walked the Main yard as a free man protected my God's Angels.

The release of Liability is in my files. I had to indemnify the Department of Corrections in order to walk free inside.
In my files.. and they are a good read for those that have access.


I understand Thieves.
I understand Walls.
I understand Liberty.

[Swordsmyth]

I know,, I was in a cage for robbing banks when I met Him.

and I knew real freedom. Not from the cage,, but in the cage..
I walked the Main yard as a free man protected my God's Angels.

The release of Liability is in my files. I had to indemnify the Department of Corrections in order to walk free inside.
In my files.. and they are a good read for those that have access.


I understand Thieves.
I understand Walls.
I understand Liberty.

Heaven has a wall and harsh immigration controls.

[pcosmar]

Heaven has a wall and harsh immigration controls.

Open Door

Narrow path

[Swordsmyth]

Open Door

Narrow path

GOD can read minds, we don't have that luxury.

[PAF]

Heaven has a wall and harsh immigration controls.

No Property Rights up there? Hell I ain’t going!

[Swordsmyth]

No Property Rights up there?

Why would you say that?

Hell I ain’t going!

Suit yourself.

[PAF]

Why would you say that?

With a wall up there I figured there’d be no need. Now that you got me thinking about it, I’ll bet it’s all unicorns and socialism up there. I wonder what Purgatory is like, maybe I’ll be happier over there

[Swordsmyth]

With a wall up there I figured there’d be no need.

How would a wall make property rights unnecessary?

Now that you got me thinking about it, I’ll bet it’s all unicorns and socialism up there.

I see no reason to believe that, the parable of the talents would seem to be sufficient evidence that people who work harder are allowed to reap a greater reward.

I wonder what Purgatory is like, maybe I’ll be happier over there

Suit yourself.

[enhanced_deficit]

Attitude is everything.