George Patton - Assassinated.

[LibertyEagle]

Wow... you guys disappoint. DISAPPOINT.

Look at Ron Paul. He votes down all of those "be mean to those countries we don't like" bills. Hmmm... suggest something to China? No.

You guys are WARMONGERSZOMG

Ron Paul is not a pacifist. He believes in a strong national defense and if you think he wouldn't vote for us to go to war if we were attacked, you have another thing coming.

He called Russians names... was angry because the politicians wouldn't let him go to war with them...

He wasn't politically-correct and frankly, I think that is refreshing. Now, you're defending the "politicians"? You understand, right, that the same group of $#@!s we're fighting now, existed way back then? Heck, FDR very likely engineered things to get us attacked in the first place, so we the people, would agree with getting involved in the war.

[nate895]

He called Russians names... was angry because the politicians wouldn't let him go to war with them...

I don't get what you're saying in reference to that

Roosevelt gave orders, and Eisenhower followed them, that we were not to push through to Berlin and stop the communist takeover in the East, this both let the Russians takeover Berlin (the objective of the order), but it also prolonged the war and Hitler was able to kill as many Jews as he had in the years since the war started. Patton saw the ridiculousness, and figured it was our duty to correct our recent mistake, and I'd tend to agree.

[Jeremy]

Ron Paul is not a pacifist. He believes in a strong national defense and if you think he wouldn't vote for us to go to war if we were attacked, you have another thing coming.


He wasn't politically-correct and frankly, I think that is refreshing. Now, you're defending the "politicians"? You understand, right, that the same group of $#@!s we're fighting now, existed way back then? Heck, FDR very likely engineered things to get us attacked in the first place, so we the people, would agree with getting involved in the war.

I didn't call Ron Paul a pacifist. I'm not a pacifist either

O_o

And wow... he was even more warmongering than the politicians... kind of proves my point

[LibertyEagle]

And wow... he was even more warmongering than the politicians... kind of proves my point

Think about it for a minute. Would Communist-sympathizers want us to attack the Communists?

Read the book I linked to. You might be able to find it for free somewhere on the web.

[Jeremy]

I never called Patton a communist-sympathizer


gah... why do you keep putting words in my mouth

[nate895]

I never called Patton a communist-sympathizer


gah... why do you keep putting words in my mouth

I believe she was calling Roosevelt a communist sympathizer. Why haven't you responded to either of my posts claiming war would have been justified?

[LibertyEagle]

I never called Patton a communist-sympathizer


gah... why do you keep putting words in my mouth

STORM!!! You're misunderstanding me. I didn't say you called Patton a Commie-sympathizer. I'm saying that Eisenhower, FDR and others WERE.

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. Really.

[Jeremy]

G r e a t s c o t t

[Uriel999]

God as a history major I don't even know where to begin with all of yall...I will say this about Ike he was a great organizer and really helped the US war effort in that manor, Patton was a fantastic general but a freaking nut. As far as Russia goes, the Cold War could have been avoided if we had just opened that damned second front earlier. Stalin while a terrible terrible man for the atrocities he committed had damned good reasons for holding a grudge against the US. After all, it was the Soviets who won WWII we essentially just provided some spam and fords. Our involvement in the European Front was more giving supplies than anything compared to the Russians.

Sure we were involved in the Pacific front and the Japanese did attack Pearl Harbor, but that was no "sneak attack" as they declared war officially before the attack as they believed in honor and felt a sneak attack violated that, we just had an incompetent government that didn't pass out the memo in time. As well we started the war with Japan with sanctions. Sanctions are an act of war and the good Doctor agrees with me on this one. In fact, it was RP who said it that made me realize sanctions are an act of war. As well the book "The Great Pacific War" written in the late 20s predicted the war between the US and Japan because of how $#@!ty we treated Japan.

Anyways I ranted enough, I can discuss the ins and outs of WWII indefinitely and don't want to rant too much, but yeah, Patton= great general but nutty as hell, and Ike=great general as well especially as an organizer (just not on the battlefield).

[LibertyEagle]

g r e a t s c o t t

read.

the.

book.

[nodope0695]

Either way he was still a war monger...

That might be true, but he was a warmonger at a time and place when that was exactly what was needed.

For all his faults, he played an important roll in the Allied victory over Germany. Nobody is perfect.

[Jeremy]

i was referring to after WWII had ended

[lucius]

Patton was convinced that unless he first resigned from the army, not retired, he would be muzzled for life. He was planning a run for president on an American First Platform when he was killed. Read the Patton Papers 1885-1940 & 1940-1945 by Blumenson. His whole essence was the military and like Smedley Butler, he figured the 'racket' out in the end. He wasn't very PC (nor understood the difference between zionists and Jewry):

At the end of WW2, Three Star US General Patton was convinced that the US was “killing the wrong sons of bitches…the result of a conspiracy of international bankers and labor leaders and Jews and Communists, all whom were working for the downfall of the United States.” (The Patton Papers 1940-1945, p. 735).

General Patton knew most of the players, Bernard Baruch, Harry Hopkins, FDR, Winston Churchill, Samuel Untermyer, Joseph Stalin; reported to Eisenhower (who was the manufactured war hero/sell out) and help facilitate the Casablanca Conference (SYMBOL) although Stalin was not in attendance.

Dr. Lawrence Patton McDonald was his cousin.

[nate895]

God as a history major I don't even know where to begin with all of yall...I will say this about Ike he was a great organizer and really helped the US war effort in that manor, Patton was a fantastic general but a freaking nut. As far as Russia goes, the Cold War could have been avoided if we had just opened that damned second front earlier. Stalin while a terrible terrible man for the atrocities he committed had damned good reasons for holding a grudge against the US. After all, it was the Soviets who won WWII we essentially just provided some spam and fords. Our involvement in the European Front was more giving supplies than anything compared to the Russians.

Sure we were involved in the Pacific front and the Japanese did attack Pearl Harbor, but that was no "sneak attack" as they declared war officially before the attack as they believed in honor and felt a sneak attack violated that, we just had an incompetent government that didn't pass out the memo in time. As well we started the war with Japan with sanctions. Sanctions are an act of war and the good Doctor agrees with me on this one. In fact, it was RP who said it that made me realize sanctions are an act of war. As well the book "The Great Pacific War" written in the late 20s predicted the war between the US and Japan because of how $#@!ty we treated Japan.

Anyways I ranted enough, I can discuss the ins and outs of WWII indefinitely and don't want to rant too much, but yeah, Patton= great general but nutty as hell, and Ike=great general as well especially as an organizer (just not on the battlefield).

Open the second front earlier? How? We would have been slaughtered, we didn't have enough men and the men weren't trained well enough that were there. Going up against the World's mightiest force isn't exactly a walk in the park. Besides, Roosevelt and Eisenhower were intent on letting Stalin claim the Berlin victory for himself. We could have landed in 1942, and we'd still wouldn't have marched our way into Berlin. All that would have been done was cause the wholesale slaughter of more Americans.

[Chester Copperpot]

Patton was a General. He said things that pissed off Russians. All he wanted to do was live wars.

Anyone see the movie Patton? Know anything at all about him?

He was a warmonger.

Yes, I know about Patton, and yes I have seen the movie.

A warmonger he was not.

[Chester Copperpot]

Storm, have you studied anything about him, other than watch a dang movie?

The reality is that we were attacked. I'm damn glad we had some patriots like Patton who knew how to kick ass.

Sometimes, you HAVE TO fight.

Patton could kick as well. But storm doesnt seem to get that THAT doesnt make somebody a warmonger.

[Chester Copperpot]

Patton was convinced that unless he first resigned from the army, not retired, he would be muzzled for life. He was planning a run for president on an American First Platform when he was killed. Read the Patton Papers 1885-1940 & 1940-1945 by Blumenson. His whole essence was the military and like Smedley Butler, he figured the 'racket' out in the end. He wasn't very PC (nor understood the difference between zionists and Jewry):

At the end of WW2, Three Star US General Patton was convinced that the US was “killing the wrong sons of bitches…the result of a conspiracy of international bankers and labor leaders and Jews and Communists, all whom were working for the downfall of the United States.” (The Patton Papers 1940-1945, p. 735).

General Patton knew most of the players, Bernard Baruch, Harry Hopkins, FDR, Winston Churchill, Samuel Untermyer, Joseph Stalin; reported to Eisenhower (who was the manufactured war hero/sell out) and help facilitate the Casablanca Conference (SYMBOL) although Stalin was not in attendance.

Dr. Lawrence Patton McDonald was his cousin.

a quite interesting post.. I will check this out in detail.. much thanks

as an addtl piece of info.. Patton's diary was stolen from the library of congress back in the day.. (along with ben franklins journal) sometime in the 1940s... just find that interesting.. although it could be coincidental.

[Anti Federalist]

At the end of WW2, Three Star US General Patton was convinced that the US was “killing the wrong sons of bitches…the result of a conspiracy of international bankers and labor leaders and Jews and Communists, all whom were working for the downfall of the United States.” (The Patton Papers 1940-1945, p. 735).

Yeah, that will get you whacked for sure.

No, I'm not kidding.

[Uriel999]

Open the second front earlier? How? We would have been slaughtered, we didn't have enough men and the men weren't trained well enough that were there. Going up against the World's mightiest force isn't exactly a walk in the park. Besides, Roosevelt and Eisenhower were intent on letting Stalin claim the Berlin victory for himself. We could have landed in 1942, and we'd still wouldn't have marched our way into Berlin. All that would have been done was cause the wholesale slaughter of more Americans.

No because all we would have to do is coordinate with Russia and say we are gonna invade on such and such date and you need to help us to help you by launching a massive push. Besides in this instance we actually would have been greeted as liberators and gotten much help from the frenchies. It would have resulted in more American deaths for sure, but considering the Russians lost 20+ million people we could have manned up a bit more and possibly avoided the Cold War. Africa was a waste of time and so was the Italian campaign.

[nate895]

No because all we would have to do is coordinate with Russia and say we are gonna invade on such and such date and you need to help us to help you by launching a massive push. Besides in this instance we actually would have been greeted as liberators and gotten much help from the frenchies. It would have resulted in more American deaths for sure, but considering the Russians lost 20+ million people we could have manned up a bit more and possibly avoided the Cold War. Africa was a waste of time and so was the Italian campaign.

The Cold War was unavoidable, it was going to happen. We didn't have enough men, and as evidenced by our bad campaigns in Africa and to a great extent, Sicily, those men weren't trained well enough. Africa was not a waste of time, if the Nazis would have broken through in North Africa, they would have had access to the Arabian oilfields (and the Arabians were already sympathetic to the Nazi cause, it might have been a manpower boost), as well as a way to attack Russia's underbelly. We couldn't live with that threat. The goal of American Generals should be to win the war at the least expense to American lives, not how to best appease Communists.

[SigurdVolsung]

No because all we would have to do is coordinate with Russia and say we are gonna invade on such and such date and you need to help us to help you by launching a massive push. Besides in this instance we actually would have been greeted as liberators and gotten much help from the frenchies. It would have resulted in more American deaths for sure, but considering the Russians lost 20+ million people we could have manned up a bit more and possibly avoided the Cold War. Africa was a waste of time and so was the Italian campaign.

Actually almost everything you said there is wrong. How would we coordinate with the Russians in 1942 exactly? If memory serves me correctly the Germans were beating the piss out of the Russians all summer during Operation Blue and moving into the Caucusus to take all the oil fields. Meanwhile Rommel was beating the piss out of the British 8th Army driving them into Egypt while simultaneously capturing Fortress Tobruk. By the end of 1942 and early 1943 the Germans were dealt a blow with Rommel being pushed back to Libya after losing at El Alamein and the 6th Army being destroyed in Stalingrad. Even with both of those setbacks it was a long long way from actually beating the Germans. They still had the umph for Kursk next year so they were far from down and out even in 1943.

So I dont think with America just entering the war and having no combat experience that storming into the heart of Nazi occupied Europe was a great idea especially considering during that entire year the Allies were hanging on for dear life. Africa was entirely necessary for the war, it was the gateway to the middle east and Rommel was an eminently capable field commander, and when Tunis fell in 1943 330,000 Axis troops were captured, which I believe is the largest amount of Axis POW's taken in the whole war. Italy was a mistake but that is only because Kesselring was a defensive genius and used every sinuous curve of the Italian peninsula to his advantage.

And finally, Petain actually offered to man the French beaches against the allies if the Germans would arm them. Many French hated the republic and especially hated the communists which is who most resistance members were. When Operation Torch went down with the allied landings in North Africa the Vichy French troops contested the landings, firing all 6 rounds of ammo they had and surrendering. If Hitler hadnt distrusted the French and actually armed them, they definately would have fought the allies. (Churchill bombed their fleet in North Africa earlier in the war and killed hundreds of french sailors)

[Primbs]

Actually almost everything you said there is wrong. How would we coordinate with the Russians in 1942 exactly? If memory serves me correctly the Germans were beating the piss out of the Russians all summer during Operation Blue and moving into the Caucusus to take all the oil fields. Meanwhile Rommel was beating the piss out of the British 8th Army driving them into Egypt while simultaneously capturing Fortress Tobruk. By the end of 1942 and early 1943 the Germans were dealt a blow with Rommel being pushed back to Libya after losing at El Alamein and the 6th Army being destroyed in Stalingrad. Even with both of those setbacks it was a long long way from actually beating the Germans. They still had the umph for Kursk next year so they were far from down and out even in 1943.

So I dont think with America just entering the war and having no combat experience that storming into the heart of Nazi occupied Europe was a great idea especially considering during that entire year the Allies were hanging on for dear life. Africa was entirely necessary for the war, it was the gateway to the middle east and Rommel was an eminently capable field commander, and when Tunis fell in 1943 330,000 Axis troops were captured, which I believe is the largest amount of Axis POW's taken in the whole war. Italy was a mistake but that is only because Kesselring was a defensive genius and used every sinuous curve of the Italian peninsula to his advantage.

And finally, Petain actually offered to man the French beaches against the allies if the Germans would arm them. Many French hated the republic and especially hated the communists which is who most resistance members were. When Operation Torch went down with the allied landings in North Africa the Vichy French troops contested the landings, firing all 6 rounds of ammo they had and surrendering. If Hitler hadnt distrusted the French and actually armed them, they definately would have fought the allies. (Churchill bombed their fleet in North Africa earlier in the war and killed hundreds of french sailors)

Good points. We were lucky we were not defeated in Normandy in 1944. For all our planning, the US got lucky that Hitler was an idiot and Hitler ignored his Generals. Plus the German general were fighting among themselves.

On the pacific side, Japan was on the move and again, our inferior navy won at Midway.

At the start of the war, Germany, Italy and Japan had superior military technology. Germany had jets by 1939. Luckily they didn't see the military usefulness of them until it was too late.

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[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

General George S. Patton was assassinated to silence his criticism of allied war leaders claims new book

The newly unearthed diaries of a colourful assassin for the wartime Office of Strategic Services (OSS), the forerunner of the CIA, reveal that American spy chiefs wanted Patton dead because he was threatening to expose allied collusion with the Russians that cost American lives.

The death of General Patton in December 1945, is one of the enduring mysteries of the war era. Although he had suffered serious injuries in a car crash in Manheim, he was thought to be recovering and was on the verge of flying home.

But after a decade-long investigation, military historian Robert Wilcox claims that OSS head General "Wild Bill" Donovan ordered a highly decorated marksman called Douglas Bazata to silence Patton, who gloried in the nickname "Old Blood and Guts".

His book, "Target Patton", contains interviews with Mr Bazata, who died in 1999, and extracts from his diaries, detailing how he staged the car crash by getting a troop truck to plough into Patton's Cadillac and then shot the general with a low-velocity projectile, which broke his neck while his fellow passengers escaped without a scratch.

Mr Bazata also suggested that when Patton began to recover from his injuries, US officials turned a blind eye as agents of the NKVD, the forerunner of the KGB, poisoned the general.

Mr Wilcox told The Sunday Telegraph that when he spoke to Mr Bazata: "He was struggling with himself, all these killings he had done. He confessed to me that he had caused the accident, that he was ordered to do so by Wild Bill Donovan.

"Donovan told him: 'We've got a terrible situation with this great patriot, he's out of control and we must save him from himself and from ruining everything the allies have done.' I believe Douglas Bazata. He's a sterling guy."

Mr Bazata led an extraordinary life. He was a member of the Jedburghs, the elite unit who parachuted into France to help organise the Resistance in the run up to D-Day in 1944. He earned four purple hearts, a Distinguished Service Cross and the French Croix de Guerre three times over for his efforts.

After the war he became a celebrated artist who enjoyed the patronage of Princess Grace of Monaco and the Duke and Duchess of Windsor.

He was friends with Salvador Dali, who painted a portrait of Bazata as Don Quixote.

He ended his career as an aide to President Ronald Reagan's Navy Secretary John Lehman, a member of the 9/11 Commission and adviser to John McCain's presidential campaign.

But if the purpose was to assassinate him, they would have outright assassinated him as they did Kennedy. But Patton only ended up being paralyzed in a freak accident. Patton could have been left only shaken up from what would have normally been considered a minor fender bender. He was sitting awkward while holding a clock which ended up getting between Patton's head and the seat he banged into.
Kennedy got assassinated. If he hadn't been killed at Dealy Plaza, there were certainly others positioned along the way to kill him.
Or, think of it this way. The secret service agent who ran to catch up with the limosine was called after to hold back by his superior who knew that the president had received a fatal shot. After catching up, that agent covered the dead president with his body. The other agents remained to cover up the new president Johnson.
So, three secret service agents were in the fleeing limo with only one of them needing to drive the car. How many secret service agents shielded the occupants in the car? Not two as one would expect, no. Only one. Hmmm . . ..
Certainly, after it was known that Kennedy was dead, the other assassins positioned further along the parade route were told to stand off.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Good points. We were lucky we were not defeated in Normandy in 1944. For all our planning, the US got lucky that Hitler was an idiot and Hitler ignored his Generals. Plus the German general were fighting among themselves.

On the pacific side, Japan was on the move and again, our inferior navy won at Midway.

At the start of the war, Germany, Italy and Japan had superior military technology. Germany had jets by 1939. Luckily they didn't see the military usefulness of them until it was too late.

http://www.luft46.com/luftart.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NENEx...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuZki...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-8CQp2_BLc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdddF...eature=related

There were plenty of paradoxes in WW2. We A-bombed Japan using material obtained from the Germans. The fuse-bomb developed by the U.S. was pound for pound more deadly of a weapon than the A-bomb. The Jet developed by the Germans was superior to the one developed by the British but its engine would burn up if accelerated too quickly. The Germans developed wind tunnel experiments which led them to realizing the fuselage of the plane compressed the wind which led them further to sweep the wings back. While the Germans thought the Australians were the bravest of the soldiers they faced, they feared more the technology of the weapons used by the U.S. soldier.
No way did the Germans have the means to develop most of the catalyst technology for the modern world. They were being taxed into oblivion to pay for World War 1 to the extent that a loaf of bread cost a wheel barrow full of money. So, what did the Germans do? Well, they persevered to develop most of the early catalysts for the modern world.

[AZJoe]

[Chester Copperpot]

Hey Storm. Did you know that Congressman Larry McDonald was related to General Patton? Patton had the dirt on the bad guys that are destroying our country. McDonald inherited those records. You'll recall that he was the one who died (or was captured) when the Russians shot that plane down.

You don't have to agree with everything about Patton, but the fact is that he was a patriot. Personally, I'm not too sure which side Ike was on.

you have any info on that i can check out ??