Lilymc was triggered by this post.Originally Posted by angelatc
I'm not even remotely on farreri's side and yet you keep saying things that are obviously indefensible.I told that small child not to step onto my lawn to retrieve his frisbee. He had no rights, so I cut off his limbs and rolled him into oncoming traffic. The end.
When did things like mercy, compassion, respect for all life, etc, become synonymous with "liberal"?
I'm definitely not a liberal, and I oppose most of what today's "liberals" stand for... but I believe in those things I just mentioned. They're not "liberal" principles... if anything, they're Christian principles... even though many people don't understand the source.
It's lame and small-minded to make this into a "left vs right" or "liberty vs liberal" thing. Not only is it not true, but it just plays into the hands of those who accuse us (conservatives/libertarians) of being selfish aholes.
Last edited by lilymc; 09-09-2016 at 01:43 PM.
“I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other.”
― Henry David Thoreau
What about assault on the poor pig-people?
Strange beings squirting liquid on them in order to rile them up right in the middle of their very first car ride..
Why aren't these 'activists' attacking dog-people when they're being transported?
I am only responding to his hyperbole with hyperbole of my own. But if you want to make everything black and white, then you are correct. I put property rights on an even level with the right to life. If you choose not to respect my property rights, then why should I respect your right to life?
And for teh record I didn't say this:That's a strawman.I told that small child not to step onto my lawn to retrieve his frisbee. He had no rights, so I cut off his limbs and rolled him into oncoming traffic. The end
Last edited by angelatc; 09-09-2016 at 01:50 PM.
Mm. Yeah. I'd have to agree with lily here.
I have a better idea, why don't you find something to do with your life besides sit on this forum and ask stupid questions?
"The Patriarch"
We all agree on those things that you listed. The key difference is that Libertarians do not believe that the government should mandate those things. And that property rights are inalienable.
He has already said that one of the few legitimate functions of government is the protection of property rights. Clearly you do not agree.
Last edited by angelatc; 09-09-2016 at 01:51 PM.
I can't speak for farreri, but nobody else has argued otherwise. You don't seem to get that not everyone here is focusing on the legal side of it.
“I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other.”
― Henry David Thoreau
The point is that pigs are property. She was asked not to give them water. She is the aggressor. She wanted to get arrested so she could get headlines. Seems like everybody should be happy. They're all getting what they want.
So if they were thirsty, you don't think she should be charged at all?
Strawman.
No, more like if liberal's think in a libertarian society, a person can just walk up and blow another person's head off because that person was trying to do an act of compassion by giving what they perceived as his pigs being thirsty and giving them some water, the Libertarian Party isn't going to grow very much and will actually start to plummet as I'd argue most Libertarian's would be morally opposed if that's how a libertarian society would be.
You're really dumb if you believe that.
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You seem like a psycho if you believe that.
Am I complaining that she got charged?
How did she put him in imminent harm or offensive contact?
Well what is your gripe with it? Seriously. Spit it out. Specifically. Because through a dozen or so pages, the only good debate I'm seeing that might go some place is the one between lily and angela.
Last edited by Natural Citizen; 09-09-2016 at 02:22 PM.
I'm curious, what do you think is my view point on this matter?
When these not-so-liberty liberty people have nothing rational to counter with, they're forced to start the name calling like lefty or liberal.
I'm not sure I understand what that has to do with this thread but I try to be that way with everything - except chickens and snakes (they started it with me).
I don't think the pigs were being abused. I don't think traveling 70 miles in 79 (max) heat is abuse considering they were watered before the trip started. If there's not clear abuse, then the only side left for me to take is the side of property rights.
Why don't you just tell us? It's your thread. If you don't spit it out, we're going to take the thread away from you. And it won't be your thread anymore.
Oh, is that what that woman's secret intentions were?!
It was just a woman trying to give some thirsty pigs some water on a hot day. No need for bullets to start flying. Chill out.
Again, where did I complain that this woman was charged for what she did?
Let's say that's true. What do you think the appropriate sentence should be for her?
Not such a terrible mission if you ask me.
Let's put it this way, if the headlines of the story said Animal Rights Activist Faces Citation for Giving Slaughter-bound Pigs Water, I would never have posted the story.
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