Thousands of containers were on the ground, the day the ports opened. The Jones Act is simply not an issue here.
I've talked about this on this and other threads- Puerto Rico has been demolished.Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom
There are no working ports or airfields. Most roads are gone- trucks can't even be used, for the most part, plus there is hardly any gas, let alone money or food.
Again from FEMA:
FEMA chief Long acknowledged that the biggest issue in Puerto Rico was the distribution of goods, which had become a huge challenge for FEMA, and that he was "not satisfied" with the situation in Puerto Rico.
"You can only shove so much through the airports that were not operational; you can only shove so much through the shipping ports that were not operational," he told CNN.
He continued:
Once we get it to islands, we've established distribution sites and we're also doing air lifts to the remote locations. The roadway system is gone in many places. It's not possible to pick up the supplies and move it forward.
That last mile is a coordinated sequenced process to be able to get it to the points of distribution.
Many communities are coming in to these points of distribution to pick up the supplies themselves and being very resourceful in doing so, while we're also trying to push as much out as we can. As the supply chains come back online, we will be able to increase the amount of supplies that are going.
But listen, we're not going to be able to move as fast as everybody would like us, or as I would like.
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I just watched about 15 videos of people on the ground in PR. The roads are clear, the ports are open, and the airfields are receiving aircraft.
There are literally tens of thousands of containers on the ground right now, and Teamsters are blocking distribution.
And the only places I can find online about this Trump calling Puerto Ricans 'lazy' thing, comes from places like ThinkProgress with NO QUOTES, just speculation on "what he really meant."
Seriously WTF?
Please show me where Trump called Puerto Ricans "lazy."
I can't copy the tweets so here is what he said:
Such poor leadership ability by the Mayor of San Juan, and others in Puerto Rico, who are not able to get their workers to help. They..want everything to be done for them when it should be a community effort. 10,000 Federal workers now on Island doing a fantastic job.
And this is what upset Trump:
What, exactly, did Cruz do to draw the ire of the president all the way from New Jersey? On Friday night, nine days after the hurricane struck Puerto Rico — with aid slow to trickle in and supplies running ever-low — Mayor Cruz said:
.I cannot fathom the thought that the greatest nation in the world cannot figure out logistics for a small island. I am asking the President of the United States to make sure somebody is in charge that is up to the task of saving lives.if we don’t get the food and water into peoples’ hands what we are going to see is something close to a genocide
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I'm reading blogs that say the Teamster stuff is fake news.
Here's the Teamster site and what they are saying about Puerto Rico:
https://teamster.org/news/2017/09/te...vital-supplies
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http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...buted-at-ports
^^ That's N P friggin R.In Puerto Rico, Containers Full Of Goods Sit Undistributed At Ports
September 28, 20175:59 PM ET
Millions of people in Puerto Rico need fuel, water, food and medicine. More than a week after Hurricane Maria devastated the island, major infrastructure is still down. Stores have trouble filling their shelves. Families are running low on the supplies they stockpiled before the storm, and across the island, many residents say they haven't seen any aid deliveries.
Meanwhile, at the port in San Juan, row after row of refrigerated shipping containers sit humming. They've been there for days, goods locked away inside.
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Most of the containers coming in have never left. Crowley says it has more than 3,400 commercial containers at its terminal now. That's just one shipping company, at one port. Several other ports are accepting shipments, and stranded crates total an estimated 10,000. (GF - that was Thursday.)
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Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of pounds have been delivered to the airport by commercial airlines, and the Department of Defense and FEMA have also been bringing in deliveries by air. Everybody — the government, aid groups and private firms — is having trouble moving those goods around. (GF - Even NPR says ports and airports are receiving traffic -- on Thursday.)
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Not everyone believes roadways are the problem. Roberto Ramirez Kurtz is the mayor of Cabo Rojo in southwestern Puerto Rico, which is about as far away from San Juan as you can get on the island — a 2 ½ to 3-hour drive.
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Kurtz was in San Juan to ask for help, and having made the trip himself, he doesn't believe that road conditions are an obstacle. "The roads are open," he says. "I've been able to come here. So why haven't we used this to [transport goods] west?"
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The governor of Puerto Rico has issued an appeal for anyone with a commercial license to help distribute gas, Darmanin says.
http://truthuncensored.net/smoking-g...tting-at-port/
SMOKING GUN: San Juan Teamsters Didn’t Show Up for Work to Distribute Relief Supplies – US Aid ROTTING at Ports
President Trump accused San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulín Cruz of playing politics on Saturday when she delivered an ‘emotional‘ speech and accused his administration of “killing” Puerto Rico’s people – and he was right – it’s Cruz who is killing the people.
She made her impassioned plea while standing in front of pallets of US aid from the mainland.
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The Gateway Pundit reports:
Now we know why the people have no aid.
The Teamsters Union drivers did not show up to work.
Only 20% of drivers arrived at the ports to distribute the relief supplies.
Conservative Treehouse reported:
Puerto Rican born and raised, Colonel Michael A. Valle (”Torch”), Commander, 101st Air and Space Operations Group, and Director of the Joint Air Component Coordination Element, 1st Air Force, responsible for Hurricane Maria relief efforts, has the following comment:
…They have the generators, water, food, medicine, and fuel on the ground, yet the supplies are not moving across the island as quickly as they’re needed.
“It’s a lack of drivers for the transport trucks, the 18 wheelers. Supplies we have. Trucks we have. There are ships full of supplies, backed up in the ports, waiting to have a vehicle to unload into. However, only 20% of the truck drivers show up to work. These are private citizens in Puerto Rico, paid by companies that are contracted by the government”.. (link)
There is literally nothing in any of that calling Puerto Ricans 'lazy.'
Trump also praised the Governor and several other mayors for doing a great job. Puerto Ricans all.
The Mayor of San Juan is printing T-Shirts and making political hay, while her own people are dying and she is doing NOTHING about it. I'd be pissed too.
I'm watching videos of actual Puerto Ricans, IN Puerto Rico.
The NY Teamsters themselves are whining about only CDL union members be allowed to drive, and they might get around to sending more drivers like in a week or so, meanwhile the actual people IN actual Puerto Rico are telling us that they are being told the Teamsters are on strike.
As a person of integrity, who TF am I supposed to believe? Some random blogs, or the actual people in PR desperate to drive trucks, getting called 'scabs' and not allowed to drive trucks?
Jose Ayala, VP Of Crowley Shipping, is at Puerto Rico and talks about what the transportation problems are.
Doesn't seem to be a strike.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/30/news...ria/index.html
Also:
Relief workers haven't been able to distribute the goods, in part because only about 20% of Puerto Rico's truck drivers have reported back to work since Hurricane Maria swept through, according to a representative for Puerto Rican Gov. Ricardo Rosselló.
On top of that, Puerto Rico has a shortage of diesel fuel, which is needed to power the semi-trucks. Downed power lines and debris still litter roadways, blocking routes. Even contacting local drivers is an issue because cell service blackouts still cover the majority of the island.
Teamsters spokesman Galen Munro told CNN that the union hopes to get more drivers on the ground next week.
Munro said the union has heard from more than 100 truckers who have offered to help, and The Teamsters is working to vet those drivers and ensure they have the proper licenses and availability.
But The Teamsters said it's still facing the other logistical issues that have held up cargo distribution.
"At this time, it is unclear if there are trucks available to move the containers, fuel to operate the trucks or road access to the distribution centers," the union said Friday.
Eleven days after Hurricane Maria hit, Puerto Rico still looks like a war zone.
Supermarkets are rationing supplies, while banks are running low on cash. Only about half of the island's gas stations are functioning.
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I don't even like Trump, but this is 100% unadulterated bona-fide bull$#@!.
What in the actual puck is going on with people here?
This has been my one-stop-shop for news and analysis with friggin integrity for A DECADE.
Disappointed is hardly the word.
So what about the non-union driver in the video who is not being allowed to drive, because Teamsters?
I hear ya.I don't even like Trump, but this is 100% unadulterated bona-fide bull$#@!.
What in the actual puck is going on with people here?
This has been my one-stop-shop for news and analysis with friggin integrity for A DECADE.
Disappointed is hardly the word.
And, I don't understand the animosity against Puerto Rico, whose only crime has been to be hit with a devastating hurricane.
And my last posts were not from blogs.
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You are seriously taking the word of CNN and the Teamsters in New York city, over actual drivers on the actual ground in actual Puerto Rico?
and the VP of Crowley Shipping, the first problem he mentioned was that only 20% of the drivers are showing up. What he did not mention is that those 20% are then told they are not allowed to drive. Because, Teamsters.
Right. CNN in New York is SO much more reliable than actual drivers on the actual ground in actual Puerto Rico.
And the only place I am seeing Trump's "animosity towards Puerto Rico" is in the hyperventilating imagination of the batshirt left.
Not a whole lot different than foreign ships not being allowed to bring supplies because of the Jones Act. And I am 1000% anti-union.
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Dude, have you read his tweets?Right. CNN in New York is SO much more reliable than actual drivers on the actual ground in actual Puerto Rico.
And the only place I am seeing Trump's "animosity towards Puerto Rico" is in the hyperventilating imagination of the batshirt left.
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.....and particularly when it comes to reporting about Trump.Right. CNN in New York is SO much more reliable than actual drivers on the actual ground in actual Puerto Rico.
Yes. 100% yes. I'm starting to see that Trump Derangement is a real thing. And I still don't like Trump.
Well, my POV has never changed on him- like I said, I just don't get people siding with him as he tweets stupid and embarrassing idiot remarks cutting others down to make himself look good- especially in disasters, when we should all be working together to help those in need.
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And you insinuate that my view has changed?
Maybe I just still have my integrity.
Do you like that insinuation?
I'm not 'siding' with anyone. I am simply repeating the facts on the ground, as reported from the people on the ground.
The fact that you are making this about 'sides' betrays a "blue-team vs red-team" mentality that I used to think RPF members rejected out of hand.
Truth doesn't have a 'side.'
SMFH
There is one person clearly and obviously playing politics here, the Mayor of San Juan. In the vein of this conversation I should ask why are you taking her 'side.'
And here's Ron Paul, making sense:
https://www.facebook.com/ronpaul/pos...56074107946686For centuries Puerto Rico has been under the thumb of Empires.
First the Spanish, and then it was seized by the new American Empire in 1898.
Policies of Socialism and Corporate Cronyism have dominated and ultimately drove the island into bankruptcy earlier this year.
The philosophy of government dependency swallowed yet another state.
It becomes so difficult then to handle a situation like a natural disaster when a country has been undermined (for so long) by Socialism, welfarism and unsustainable debt.
Ron Paul discusses below:
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This quote from Ron Paul would seem to back up what I've been saying -- that the problem is socialism on the ground.
Sorry, I wasn't speaking about you, Gunny. I know you're a good man.
And I don't have a blue team/red team POV. My only reason in even posting on the Puerto Rico threads was because posters were blaming the Puerto Ricans for their disaster and calling them stupid, when we never heard that about Florida & Texas.
I have friends who are helping in Puerto Rico & from their POV it is NOT pretty. It is a tiny island that has been consumed.
My only stance is to help others when the need is there- when things smooth out then is the time to see how things might work better.
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The. Supplies. Are. Already. On. The. Ground.
Like, to the tune of tens of thousands of containers.
The Jones Act is not relevant to the people not receiving emergency supplies.
Yes, and thanks to the good ol US of A.
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Hmmm..... don't say that to Hawaii.
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I just loaded page 1 of this thread and re-read it. i saw nobody calling Puerto Ricans stupid. The only people being blamed are this dingbat Mayor and the unions blocking distribution.
I looked at the "grasshoppers" thread, and the only person there appearing to call out the Puerto Rican people as "ingrates" is AuH20.
Perception is a funny thing....
Hawaii got wiped out by a hurricane?Hmmm..... don't say that to Hawaii.
You obviously don't get it GF.
It is so simple, anyone can understand it.
DONALD TRUMP is eleven letters
ADOLF HITLER is eleven letters.
See.
Therefore, there is no limit of who he hates and wants to genocide.
He's probably going to put all of those lazy Pricans in a camp so they can concentrate on how to make PR great again.
You can't deny the scientifical fackks that Trump is in the early stages of pulling the old Holodomor on the Pricans.
And guess who is helping him?
VLADIMIR PUTIN is ELEVEN letters (plus two because he's like Trump and Hitler put together...1 + 1 = 2)
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