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    If you have COVID 19, you may be full of crap

    This will probably be the simultaneously funniest and most serious post I've ever done. As most of you know by know I caught the dreaded COVID-19. I refused to get vaccinated. (Sorry but if you try to force me to do something I am NOT going to do it.) And I don't think it would have mattered anyway because I caught it from my double vaxxed dad. Yeah...I was kinda doing my vitamins...but not really. Who can keep up with that everyday? (Well...I should have but whatever). And no I'm not somebody's mask slave. (When they said don't do masks I was going through the backwoods of Tennessee getting my n95 hookup going on then buying straight from China when that ran out. Again, I do what they say don't do.)

    Anyhow, nature doesn't give a crap about what I want and so I caught the rona. My temp was as high as 102 at one point, but that didn't last long. What has lasted is just feeling awful. Headaches. Nausea. Dry heaves. (Nothing as disappointing as running to the toilet expecting to throw up and it's just air.) And worse, the inability to sit up long and do anything. I occassionally coughed up a little phlim. My O2 level has always been over 96.

    My ex wife is an infectious disease specialist at a major hospital. She told me even before I tested positive that I should take mag citrate because that's what's she's been giving her patients and they feel better in a couple of days. My brother, a nurse, thought at first she was pranking me because he was like "You're going to be crapping for days." But then he looked up the studies and realized magneseum has been helping COVID patients. Well I bought the stuff (had it bought for me actually) and I looked at it for a couple of days. My ex, when checking on me asked me why hadn't I taken it yet. I hadn't told her I hadn't taken it. She just guessed that because I was still feeling like crap. So...I took it yesterday morning. It took a while to kick it. But then...it kicked in. I've basically been crapping out green soup. She said when it get's to clear water it's run it's course. But I have to admit it...I am feeling better.

    Here's the studies for those interested.

    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04941703
    https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...n-seniors.aspx

    So @Anti Federalist (the only other person I know with active COVID on this board), get the crap out! I might start doing this once every 3 months for the hell of it. Like an oil change or something. Or...probably not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    This will probably be the simultaneously funniest and most serious post I've ever done. As most of you know by know I caught the dreaded COVID-19. I refused to get vaccinated. (Sorry but if you try to force me to do something I am NOT going to do it.) And I don't think it would have mattered anyway because I caught it from my double vaxxed dad. Yeah...I was kinda doing my vitamins...but not really. Who can keep up with that everyday? (Well...I should have but whatever). And no I'm not somebody's mask slave. (When they said don't do masks I was going through the backwoods of Tennessee getting my n95 hookup going on then buying straight from China when that ran out. Again, I do what they say don't do.)

    Anyhow, nature doesn't give a crap about what I want and so I caught the rona. My temp was as high as 102 at one point, but that didn't last long. What has lasted is just feeling awful. Headaches. Nausea. Dry heaves. (Nothing as disappointing as running to the toilet expecting to throw up and it's just air.) And worse, the inability to sit up long and do anything. I occassionally coughed up a little phlim. My O2 level has always been over 96.

    My ex wife is an infectious disease specialist at a major hospital. She told me even before I tested positive that I should take mag citrate because that's what's she's been giving her patients and they feel better in a couple of days. My brother, a nurse, thought at first she was pranking me because he was like "You're going to be crapping for days." But then he looked up the studies and realized magneseum has been helping COVID patients. Well I bought the stuff (had it bought for me actually) and I looked at it for a couple of days. My ex, when checking on me asked me why hadn't I taken it yet. I hadn't told her I hadn't taken it. She just guessed that because I was still feeling like crap. So...I took it yesterday morning. It took a while to kick it. But then...it kicked in. I've basically been crapping out green soup. She said when it get's to clear water it's run it's course. But I have to admit it...I am feeling better.

    Here's the studies for those interested.

    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04941703
    https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...n-seniors.aspx

    So @Anti Federalist (the only other person I know with active COVID on this board), get the crap out! I might start doing this once every 3 months for the hell of it. Like an oil change or something. Or...probably not.
    Interesting. I wonder if after the mag citrate has run it's course if you should take pre- and pro-biotics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Interesting. I wonder if after the mag citrate has run it's course if you should take pre- and pro-biotics?
    If you finally get your appetite back and find food lies on your stomach like a lead weight, that sounds like an excellent thing to try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Interesting. I wonder if after the mag citrate has run it's course if you should take pre- and pro-biotics?
    It is always good to replenish your system with good gut bacteria. Fermented foods are the best!
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Did you take ivermectin along with other supplements and follow th flccc I-mask+ protocol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    @osan

    Brother, I cannot imagine the pain you are going through.

    But listen, I'll keep this short and sweet: I just recovered from a nasty case of "breakthrough" COVID that the family caught from a fully vaxxed person.

    Wretched stuff that had me in the hospital for four days.

    First off, HCQ and Ivermectin and monoclonal antibodies are only effective at the very start of a COVID infection, so those are pretty much off the table.

    I used remdisivir combined with steroid anti inflammatory agents and inhaled allbutoral anti inflammatory along with Az antibiotic.

    The key to survival is lung function and reducing inflammation. Do you know what her O2 saturation rate is, and is it increasing or decreasing?

    There are also any number of inflammation markers that are tested in the blood. I'll have to look at my records to see what they were using to measure mine, but that's not that important: just ask her doctors: "what are her inflammation marker numbers, and are they increasing or decreasing?"

    Has she been instructed to lay prone, on her stomach, as much as possible? This is clinically shown to increase lung function, assist in lowering inflammation and help to discharge mucus. It was kind of uncomfortable and a PITA for me but Bibi's not a fat guy, like me. Ask her attending physicians about this.

    This one, simple, treatment option, I think, made the difference for me.

    If they are not having her do that, make them start, right away.

    https://www.pennmedicine.org/updates...during-covid19

    https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...ght-covid-19#1

    https://www.healthifyme.com/blog/wha...d-19-patients/
    @jmdrake
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Glad you made it through brother!
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdsubball23 View Post
    Did you take ivermectin along with other supplements and follow th flccc I-mask+ protocol?
    No ivermectin. Nothing against it. But just cleaning out the bowels seems to be doing the trick for me.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Interesting. I wonder if after the mag citrate has run it's course if you should take pre- and pro-biotics?
    That's probably a good idea.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    That's probably a good idea.
    You might want to wait until you get enough appetite back to take it with food. You don't really need it until then anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    So @Anti Federalist (the only other person I know with active COVID on this board), get the crap out! I might start doing this once every 3 months for the hell of it. Like an oil change or something. Or...probably not.
    Thanks for the update, glad you're feeling better.

    Thankfully I've had three consecutive negative tests so I'm over the hump.

    I also never experienced any symptoms like that, mine were all respiratory in nature.

    I still can't smell or taste anything, but the initial symptom has gone, and that was everything tasting and smelling like $#@!.

    Not "$#@!" specifically, but weird, strange and unpleasant tastes and smells that equaled nothing in nature.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Glad you made it through brother!
    Same to you!...Sucks didn't it?

    Here's hoping Dr. Doom and the Communist Chinese don't have something much worse cooked up for us for in the next round.
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    I wish I could understand what CV19 really is. I know a lot of people who have so called had CV19. I know of one person who has died with it. But I am not sure that they actually died from it or that they actually had it.. I did not personally know them but I do know they had heart issues and they were young.

    There seems to be a lot of deception regarding it. I am very grateful that whatever @jmdrake and @Anti Federalist had that they have survived it. I hope it means that you will not take the vax because now you have natural immunity. I would also like to know if you both are wearing mask now?I wish you both all the best and hope that you continue to get more healthy. I am glad that the magnesium citrate helped Jim. Neither of you said that you were vented so I am assuming that you were not. It seems that the stats for survival once someone is vented are not in favor of complete recovery and vented patients seem to be much more likly to die.

    There is so much contradiction between MSM and alternative media that I am just having a lot of difficulty processing it. I continue to take colloidal silver when I go out into the public. I also use DMSO, QUcertin, zinc, co enzyme Q-10 most days especially if I know I am going out into the public. I play frequencies designed to kill mold, virus and bacteria in my home on most days especially if I go out. I also take ivermectin about once a week. I have made some HCQ using grapefruit peels and water and have frozen it in ice cube trays and take it a few times a week especially if I feel congested or have any other symptoms that seem to be flu like. I don't like taking so many things to stay healthy but I know if I got really sick I would be really mad at myself if I did not do it.

    I am very concerned about the decline of the quality of foods to me even my own home grown stuff seems to be not as good as it should be. I have had to use a lot of fertilizer even though I have been composting for literly years and have even dug up old compost piles to move it with me.

    I wish we were all together or at least close to one another but I am grateful that we still have Ron Pal forums to share and support each other. God bless you all ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Thanks for the update, glad you're feeling better.

    Thankfully I've had three consecutive negative tests so I'm over the hump.

    I also never experienced any symptoms like that, mine were all respiratory in nature.

    I still can't smell or taste anything, but the initial symptom has gone, and that was everything tasting and smelling like $#@!.

    Not "$#@!" specifically, but weird, strange and unpleasant tastes and from what that equaled nothing in nature.
    From what I understand a zinc deficiency is what causes lack of taste, smell. I dunno, I'm not a doctor. And from what I understand using Quercetin helps zinc infuse the system
    Last edited by phill4paul; 09-26-2021 at 07:51 PM.

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    And just to add to the thread, I had a friend that came down positive. He spent three days on the toilet $#@!ting his guts out. Other things, of course, like just being so weak it was tough to make it ten feet to the $#@!ter. Really had to drink in the electrolytes.
    That's the crazy thing about this sickness is that it affects everyone so different.

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    @jmdrake and @Anti Federalist: after having covid, are you for or against the vaccine?
    Last edited by sdsubball23; 09-26-2021 at 09:59 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    From what I understand a zinc deficiency is what causes lack of taste, smell. I dunno, I'm not a doctor. And from what I understand using Quercetin helps zinc infuse the system
    In my current "recovery" phase, I am supplementing with x3 body weight amounts of Zinc, A, C, and D vitamins, CoQ10, quercetin and bromaline.

    Taste and smell is slowly coming back, thankfully the very weird symptom of "$#@!" or rather "that smells like nothing in nature" taste and smell is receding.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 09-27-2021 at 01:43 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdsubball23 View Post
    @jmdrake and @Anti Federalist: after having covid, are you for or against the vaccine?
    I remain opposed, for a number of reasons, not the least of which are:

    A - I now have natural immunity, a much better defense.

    B - These jabs are in no way a "vaccine" as we have come to understand them.

    C - They remain ineffective and unsafe to my mind, and create walking petri dishes of viral carriers and mutations, making things much worse. As near as we can figure it, my family's first contact, from which it spread to my wife, to me to my daughter, was contact with a fully vaxxed person that had a "breakthrough" case.

    That said, just like anything else, it is, and should be, your choice as what medical treatments you should receive, or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Thanks for the update, glad you're feeling better.

    Thankfully I've had three consecutive negative tests so I'm over the hump.

    I also never experienced any symptoms like that, mine were all respiratory in nature.

    I still can't smell or taste anything, but the initial symptom has gone, and that was everything tasting and smelling like $#@!.

    Not "$#@!" specifically, but weird, strange and unpleasant tastes and smells that equaled nothing in nature.
    The smell and taste issue MIGHT be a zinc deficiency from the infection.
    Supplementing zinc is a good idea anyway so you might want to try it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdsubball23 View Post
    @jmdrake and @Anti Federalist: after having covid, are you for or against the vaccine?
    Absolutely against. I caught COVID from my double vaxxed dad. I'm getting over COVID using natural remedies. Proof enough for me that natural remedies >>>>>>>>>>>> vaccines.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    I'm against the vaccine mostly because I hate science and scientists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    In my current "recovery" phase, I am supplementing with x3 body weight amounts of Zinc, A, C, and D vitamins, CoQ10, quercetin and bromaline.

    Taste and smell is slowly coming back, thankfully the very weird symptom of "$#@!" or rather "that smells like nothing in nature" taste and smell is receding.
    I have been told that the NIATONIN protocol can seriously help recovery and damage repair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Absolutely against. I caught COVID from my double vaxxed dad. I'm getting over COVID using natural remedies. Proof enough for me that natural remedies >>>>>>>>>>>> vaccines.
    Out of curiosity, how did your father fare with his breakthrough case? Does he have any comorbidities, other than age?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I just recovered from a nasty case of "breakthrough" COVID that the family caught from a fully vaxxed person.
    How did that fully-vaxxed person fare with their breakthrough case? Were they suffering from any comorbidities? And a sociological question: did that person wear a mask when they were around you and yours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntarist View Post
    Out of curiosity, how did your father fare with his breakthrough case? Does he have any comorbidities, other than age?
    Cancer survivor. High blood pressure. On a bunch of meds already. He seems to be fine but he still has a persistent cough.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post

    My ex wife is an infectious disease specialist at a major hospital. She told me even before I tested positive that I should take mag citrate because that's what's she's been giving her patients and they feel better in a couple of days. My brother, a nurse, thought at first she was pranking me because he was like "You're going to be crapping for days." But then he looked up the studies and realized magneseum has been helping COVID patients. Well I bought the stuff (had it bought for me actually) and I looked at it for a couple of days. My ex, when checking on me asked me why hadn't I taken it yet. I hadn't told her I hadn't taken it. She just guessed that because I was still feeling like crap. So...I took it yesterday morning. It took a while to kick it. But then...it kicked in. I've basically been crapping out green soup. She said when it get's to clear water it's run it's course. But I have to admit it...I am feeling better.

    Here's the studies for those interested.

    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04941703
    https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...n-seniors.aspx

    So @Anti Federalist (the only other person I know with active COVID on this board), get the crap out! I might start doing this once every 3 months for the hell of it. Like an oil change or something. Or...probably not.
    I just want to add this to help define mag citrate:

    Magnesium Citrate

    This product is used to clean stool from the intestines before surgery or certain bowel procedures (e.g., colonoscopy, radiography), usually with other products. It may also be used for relief of constipation. However, milder products (e.g., stool softeners, bulk-forming laxatives) should be used whenever possible for constipation.

    Magnesium citrate is a saline laxative that is thought to work by increasing fluid in the small intestine. It usually results in a bowel movement within 30 minutes to 3 hours.
    https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5...e-oral/details
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    There are certain themes that keep coming up when looking at illnesses across the spectrum. Hydration is one, obesity is one, and "gut health" is another. Not surprised that addressing one of these areas helped you @jmdrake. For others, it might be something else or a combination of somethings else. Probiotics come up on many lists of simple things one can do to improve one's health. Any time I'm sick (I don't really get the flu anymore, but on occasion I eat something that doesn't agree with me), I hit the probiotics to help put things back to normal.

    I've also seen the zinc/smell/taste connection when researching, fwiw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntarist View Post
    How did that fully-vaxxed person fare with their breakthrough case? Were they suffering from any comorbidities? And a sociological question: did that person wear a mask when they were around you and yours?
    They recovered, it was about the same as what my wife and daughter got, 4 days of flu like symptoms and loss of taste and smell.

    I, of course, was the unlucky one that had it develop into lung issues 5-6 days into it.

    It was a young person with no co-morbidities that I am aware of.

    I do not know, I never had any contact with this person. My wife did, she got it and I got it from her.
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    Interesting discussion. Thanks for sharing your guys' experiences. It helps me and I'm sure others with getting a little better understanding of covid.



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