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    Exclamation Say White?

    I find myself guilty of this, but I disagree that it is not needed.

    Still a good read.



    Say White?

    https://www.takimag.com/article/say-white/

    David Cole

    July 06, 2021

    In 2019 I penned a column titled “Can the Right Fight Without Saying White?” The gist was, you can’t fight antiwhite racism without calling it what it is. Several weeks ago Tucker Carlson, who used to tap-dance around the topic of antiwhite hatred, preferring to more obliquely condemn bias against people “based on the way they look,” made up for lost time with a monologue in which he said “white” a whole bunch of times. “We haven’t said that often enough or clearly enough,” spoke Tuck, as if to offer an apology of sorts. “What we’re seeing is antiwhite racism.”

    Well, bravo.

    And of course leftist Twitter exploded in fury, as leftist Twitter always does.

    I’d been meaning to update my “Without Saying White” piece, because things have accelerated to such an extent since 2019 (the George Floyd “reckoning,” BLM going from fringe to halls-of-power, Soros triumphant nationwide, CRT triumphant in schools, the workplace, and the military), my thinking’s shifted a bit. Maybe it’s because I’ve seen other rightist pundits ape my “you gotta say white!” talking point as if it’s more meaningful than it is. As if it’s some kind of panacea. Which it isn’t.

    If fact, I think it’s wrong to put too much focus on words. You don’t stop an apartheid by yelling at it. Yeah, it’s important to put a name on a thing. But this isn’t David Lynch’s Dune; you’re not gonna shatter obelisks with a killing word. It feels great—liberating, even—to match the left’s racially inflammatory rhetoric. But does it actually change anything?

    And here, we need to acknowledge the 1,488-pound gorilla in the room: Folks on social media, left and right, love talking about race. Race sells. I made this point in my recent reply to John Derbyshire. Race gets hits, race gets views. You think all those Salon, Slate, Vox, WaPo, and NYT pieces about how this is racist and that is racist and whites are bad because of this and whites are bad because of that occur in a vacuum? Not at all. Race op-eds get shares, from those who agree and—even more so—from those who don’t.

    Answer truthfully: How many times have you shared some leftist piece of race-hateful junk on Twitter or Facebook, adding, of course, your own devastatingly clever caption, because dammit someone’s gotta put those lefty loons in their place?! And who better than you?

    Laugh as you will at “legacy media,” but The New York Times has more eyes on it now than ever before. Even at its height of print subscriptions during its heyday, it didn’t have as many readers as it does now digitally. And when the Times runs a piece about how guitars are racist or diapers are racist or the $#@!ing air we breathe is racist, your shares help set its ad rates.

    They’re trolling you. They welcome your outrage.

    I’m reminded of something Christina Sommers did last year. Vox ran a disgusting hit piece about how Dolly Parton—one of the most beloved figures in music—is evil because she’s white. Not because of anything she’s done—the author admits, Parton’s sinless—but because her skin is white. Sommers wanted to share the vile post with her followers, so you know what she did? She went to archive.is and got a screenshot so the site wouldn’t benefit from her shares. Took all of fifteen seconds.

    You ever done that? Probably not. Most of us don’t because deep down we want Vox and CNN and Daily Beast to see our shares because we have this fantasy that someone there is gonna read our amazing rejoinder and be like, “Oh $#@!! @SwampDrainerStopTheSteal totally destroyed us! We’re finished!”

    We all play that game, and the game is a distraction…an illusion of victory (“Oooh, I owned that guy”) with no real-world impact. The people (especially the “billionaire philanthropists” mentioned in a previous column) who are turning this nation into a Third World cesspool love to watch their media puppets mix it up with Twitter warriors, everyone having a ball dunking and burning and clapping back with receipts while the actual business of destroying the country occurs well away from social media.

    Take a guess how George Soros felt when his real-world machinations were countered by Trump tweeting all-caps “LAW & ORDER!” Think he felt threatened?

    Remember last month when Matt Walsh and the Daily Wire crew took Twitter by storm with that fundraising stunt to help AOC’s long-suffering abuela? Oh what fun that was! Matty and Benny OWNED the libs, and then the libs DUNKED on them, and then other rightists DESTROYED the Wire crew for wasting fundraising resources on AOC, and then Matty and Benny CLAPPED BACK at the rightists for having no sense of whimsy, and hot damn if everyone didn’t have a hoot of a time.

    Wanna know something the Daily Wire has yet to do? Run the link to the petition to recall Soros-backed L.A. County DA George Gascon (link HERE). The Gascon recall could be the first such defeat ever handed to Soros, a tangible “own” that matters. A Soros defeat in L.A. would embolden other counties and cities to follow suit. But, just like how the local GOP made no attempt to alert L.A. County voters to the importance of the down-ballot DA’s race last year, no one on the right is showing any desire to fight Soros in the real world.

    Why bother when it’s so much more fun to share that Atlantic piece about how FORKS are RACIST!!!!?

    This leads to another reason why “saying white” is of limited value. On one side you’ve got conservatives with something to lose (like massive Twitter followings or Fox gigs or teat-suckling Daily Wire jobs), and on the other side you’ve got the “outsider” Nick Fuentes types who love scorching the earth with their naughty impishness. Those in that latter group can always be counted on to say white “improperly” or indelicately. This will invariably cause the people in the former group to melodramatically “denounce” the wrongspeak, lest they risk cancellation themselves.

    And once again, no actual progress will be made as the right-on-right bickering between based and cucked distracts all parties from countering the left.

    Two of the most tough-talking “warriors” on the mainstream right are Daily Wire’s Andrew Klavan and Townhall’s NATO errand boy Kurt Schlichter. Since January, both “men” have vowed merciless war against the left, promising to deliver blowback and vengeance to the Biden/Harris crowd.

    I’ll remind you that Schlichter and Klavan were among the first guys to call for my cancellation in 2013 because of things I’d said about Auschwitz twenty years earlier. I barely knew either of those clowns, and to the extent that I did, it was perfectly cordial (Klavan via correspondence, Schlichter through my GOP events, which he occasionally attended). But Kolonel Koward and Cliff Klavan rushed to virtue-signal how vigorously they could condemn a fellow rightist for his evil words.

    I’m not trying to be self-indulgent by bringing that up. I’m making a point that these faux-macho jellyfish are gonna make water the minute anyone says “white” a little too vehemently. That’s the pitfall of “saying white.” Most conservatives with an actual audience have little stomach for it, and those on the fringe who have a large stomach for it are either illiterate imbeciles or trolls who just like Jokering $#@! up (if one thing’s true of the “groyper” generation, it’s that it’s produced no new Jared Taylors or Peter Brimelows—genuine intellectuals who can handle these issues adroitly).

    Even Tuck, for all the “white” he crammed into that recent monologue, still felt the need to frame the issue as “we all bleed red, white, and blue,” similar to his take a few weeks ago on mass shooter Justin Tyran Roberts (a black who targeted whites): “This may be the last time you hear his name on television. On one level, that’s fine with us. Picking at America’s [racial] wound is unwise. We’ve always thought that. We think it more now than ever. A multiracial country can only survive if it self-consciously deemphasizes race.”

    Tucker might be willing to say “white,” but he ain’t never gonna say “black,” and an argument can be made that saying “black” has become more important than saying “white,” because the most destructive elements in the black community—malignant elements unique to the black community in terms of percentage of population—target not just whites but Asians, Hispanics, Pakistani UberEats drivers, and pretty much everyone else. And let’s be frank—most of the antiwhite rhetoric (CRT, “white privilege” propaganda, 1619 brainwashing) comes from blacks, or from Jews and whites who promote it in the name of blacks.

    But while you might persuade a few Tucker types to say “white,” nobody, and I mean nobody with any reach is gonna say “black” in anything other than glowing terms. After all, the GOP has to prioritize winning that black vote!

    It’s probably best to wean ourselves off the rhetorical crusades and focus instead on fighting the oncoming “corrective apartheid” the only way that might work: in the courts, utilizing seventy years of antidiscrimination case law to our advantage. The laws are there, and the advocates of corrective apartheid admit that the laws are there.

    An example: Amazon Studios’ new “hiring inclusion policy” for actors mandates—mandates—that each production must hire “30% white men, 30% white women and non-binary people, 20% men from underrepresented races and ethnicities, 20% women and non-binary people from underrepresented races and ethnicities.” Yet near the bottom of that policy is a disclaimer: “In all hiring, a particular employment decision may not be made on the basis of an individual’s race, age, color, gender, sex, sexual orientation, gender expression, national origin, disability, or other protected characteristic.”

    “Base your casting decisions on race. Oh, but remember, you can’t base your casting decisions on race. But do it.”

    They know what they’re mandating is illegal. Like all of the incipient apartheid policies in government and the private sector, this can be fought in court.

    Trump left us a potentially sympathetic SCOTUS. Why waste his one decent legacy?

    And maybe meet a guy like Soros on a real battlefield, rather than a VR one.

    Social media obsession has blinded many rightists to the fact that Section 230 immunity (Twitter totally can ban someone just for being white) does not exist in the brick-and-mortar world. That’s why that obsession benefits the apartheid advocates; they want you to get so used to Section 230 immunity that you forget that it doesn’t apply to your kid’s school or your workplace.

    Again, here’s the Gascon recall petition. Signatories need to live in L.A. County, but donations are needed. If you don’t live here spread it to folks who do.

    Tired of word wars, virtual dunks, and quixotic krakens? Try coming back to the real world. You might just find it invigorating.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 07-18-2021 at 02:02 PM.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11



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    Takimag and AF complaining about people talking about race too much and sharing racebait too much?



    Magical.
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    Pinochet is the model
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Takimag and AF complaining about people talking about race too much and sharing racebait too much?



    Magical.
    LOL - While I'm sure you would like nothing more for me to go away or shut up, please note I did disagree with Cole's point on this.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    While I'm sure you would like nothing more for me to go away or shut up
    Why do you think that? That's definitely not what I would like.


    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    please note I did disagree with Cole's point on this.
    I guess I misunderstood the part that you disagreed with.
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    Pinochet is the model
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Dumb causes for a dumb people.

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    White, Black, Brown, Yellow, and Red are colors. There is no future or history to colors. Colors exist to divide and conquer. No such thing as white people or black people.

    Now if you want to talk about promoting the interests of ethnic Europeans (including Sub Groups: British, Scots, Irish, French, Italian, Germans, Poles, Hungarians, Ukrainians, Spaniards, etc), Africans (including Sub Groups: Congolese, Bantu, Asante, Kenyan, etc), Asians (Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, etc), Middler Eastern (including Sub Groups: Hebrews, Arabs, Turks, Persians, etc) Native Americans (including Sub Groups: Aztecs, Inca, Maya, Mohawk, Cherokee, Creek, etc), or Pacific Islanders (including Sub Groups: Hawaiians, Micronesians, New Zealanders, etc)...

    ... we can have a conversation but anyone who pushes colors as races is either drinking the divide and conquer cool aid or pouring it.

    Either way it’s a racket.

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    Soon (after most of you are dead from Danke variant wuhan plague , diabetes, cocaine addiction /porn overload and other ailments ) white will be removed from the dictionary and not be allowed to be used on facebook , twitter or dem underground or other govt sanctioned and approved media .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumba of Liberty View Post
    White, Black, Brown, Yellow, and Red are colors. There is no future or history to colors. Colors exist to divide and conquer. No such thing as white people or black people.

    Now if you want to talk about promoting the interests of ethnic Europeans (including Sub Groups: British, Scots, Irish, French, Italian, Germans, Poles, Hungarians, Ukrainians, Spaniards, etc), Africans (including Sub Groups: Congolese, Bantu, Asante, Kenyan, etc), Asians (Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, etc), Middler Eastern (including Sub Groups: Hebrews, Arabs, Turks, Persians, etc) Native Americans (including Sub Groups: Aztecs, Inca, Maya, Mohawk, Cherokee, Creek, etc), or Pacific Islanders (including Sub Groups: Hawaiians, Micronesians, New Zealanders, etc)...

    ... we can have a conversation but anyone who pushes colors as races is either drinking the divide and conquer cool aid or pouring it.

    Either way it’s a racket.
    Sub-American-African groups that prey on Asians and Jews, riot, loot and burn $#@! down as they please. Does that work?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumba of Liberty View Post
    White, Black, Brown, Yellow, and Red are colors. There is no future or history to colors. Colors exist to divide and conquer. No such thing as white people or black people.

    Now if you want to talk about promoting the interests of ethnic Europeans (including Sub Groups: British, Scots, Irish, French, Italian, Germans, Poles, Hungarians, Ukrainians, Spaniards, etc), Africans (including Sub Groups: Congolese, Bantu, Asante, Kenyan, etc), Asians (Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, etc), Middler Eastern (including Sub Groups: Hebrews, Arabs, Turks, Persians, etc) Native Americans (including Sub Groups: Aztecs, Inca, Maya, Mohawk, Cherokee, Creek, etc), or Pacific Islanders (including Sub Groups: Hawaiians, Micronesians, New Zealanders, etc)...

    ... we can have a conversation but anyone who pushes colors as races is either drinking the divide and conquer cool aid or pouring it.

    Either way it’s a racket.
    No, there are no "races" of humans, we are all hommo-sapiens but there are ethnicities and cultures.

    Everything we are supposed to be fighting for, everything we hold dear, everything Ron Paul worked his whole life to preserve and protect and promote, is now labeled white supremacy,all of it, everything from John Locke to the Bill of Rights, and is targeted for destruction and "memory holing" in the fires of Marxist revolution.

    Those ideals and principles are inextricably intertwined with white, western, European cultures, Enlightenment thinkers and "Manifest Destiny" of western exploration and expansion.

    Both must be acknowledged and defended or both will be lost.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    No, there are no "races" of humans, we are all hommo-sapiens but there are ethnicities and cultures.

    Everything we are supposed to be fighting for, everything we hold dear, everything Ron Paul worked his whole life to preserve and protect and promote, is now labeled white supremacy,all of it, everything from John Locke to the Bill of Rights, and is targeted for destruction and "memory holing" in the fires of Marxist revolution.

    Those ideals and principles are inextricably intertwined with white, western, European cultures, Enlightenment thinkers and "Manifest Destiny" of western exploration and expansion.

    Both must be acknowledged and defended or both will be lost.
    THIS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    No, there are no "races" of humans, we are all hommo-sapiens but there are ethnicities and cultures.

    Everything we are supposed to be fighting for, everything we hold dear, everything Ron Paul worked his whole life to preserve and protect and promote, is now labeled white supremacy,all of it, everything from John Locke to the Bill of Rights, and is targeted for destruction and "memory holing" in the fires of Marxist revolution.

    Those ideals and principles are inextricably intertwined with white, western, European cultures, Enlightenment thinkers and "Manifest Destiny" of western exploration and expansion.

    Both must be acknowledged and defended or both will be lost.
    Point 1: Scientifically their are genetic differences between “races” (I use that term to mean cultures that share common language and are genetically isolated gene pools which in the past 500 years have scene massive upheavals in terms of their location and population) of peoples around the world. This is why you can spit in a tube and 23&Me or Ancestry.com will tell you your racial blueprint. It is also why they ask you your race/ethnicity at the doctors office and/or hospital. Because your genetics impact your treatment.

    Point 2: I understand what the empire is doing. They are making “white nationalists” = terrorists and then making Patriots = White Nationalists. It’s clear as day. BUT. Don’t let them do it. Don’t let them control the language.

    I was in the room for diversity training at a high school in New Jersey. They asked how many teachers in the room identified as white. Most teachers of European ancestry raised their hands but a few didn’t. The few that didn’t were questioned by the presenter. The first guy responded “I’m an Italian born and raised. I’ve never called myself white.” The presenter asked the room if anyone else identified as Italian. 3/4 of the hands in the room went into the air and then the room burst out in laughter. The last 1/4 chimed in and told the presenter they identified as Irish. The whole white privileged lecture was derailed and we spent the next half hour talking about the potato famine.

    Stop using their language. It works.
    Last edited by Gumba of Liberty; 07-18-2021 at 07:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Everything we are supposed to be fighting for, everything we hold dear, everything Ron Paul worked his whole life to preserve and protect and promote, is now labeled white supremacy,all of it, everything from John Locke to the Bill of Rights, and is targeted for destruction and "memory holing" in the fires of Marxist revolution.

    Those ideals and principles are inextricably intertwined with white, western, European cultures, Enlightenment thinkers and "Manifest Destiny" of western exploration and expansion.
    White, western, European ideals and principles are under attack by... other white, western, European ideals and principles?


    And in order to defend them we need to... acknowledge out their whiteness, western-ness, and European-ness?
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    Pinochet is the model
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumba of Liberty View Post
    Point 2: I understand what the empire is doing. They are making “white nationalists” = terrorists and then making Patriots = White Nationalists.
    Certain "patriots" have been doing that all by themselves.


    This forum contains more than enough proof of that.
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    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumba of Liberty View Post
    Point 1: Scientifically their are genetic differences between “races” (I use that term to mean cultures that share common language and are genetically isolated gene pools which in the past 500 years have scene massive upheavals in terms of their location and population) of peoples around the world. This is why you can spit in a tube and 23&Me or Ancestry.com will tell you your racial blueprint. It is also why they ask you your race/ethnicity at the doctors office and/or hospital. Because your genetics impact your treatment.
    Yes, I know, and that is why I made that point.

    There is no such thing as "races" amongst people, while there are genetic differences, these are ethnic or "breed" related. Any human being can mate with any other human being and produce fertile offspring. So can any dog for instance, even though there are massive differences in dog breeds or ethnicities.

    Stop using their language. It works.
    I don't. That's why I make it point to discourage the very term "racism", itself coined by a progressive madman of a cavalry General named Richard Pratt.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    White, western, European ideals and principles are under attack by... other white, western, European ideals and principles?

    And in order to defend them we need to... acknowledge out their whiteness, western-ness, and European-ness?
    Yes, that's the case.

    I laugh at Marxists street fighting to remove "dead white men" of history, while following the philosophy of a dead white man.

    To defend them, first and foremost, we have to stop being ashamed of them.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    To defend them, first and foremost, we have to stop being ashamed of them.
    What does posting nonstop racebait have to do with defending dead white men?
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    Pinochet is the model
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.



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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    What does posting nonstop racebait have to do with defending dead white men?
    I don't post "nonstop" racebait.

    A - I don't consider it "race bait".

    B - It's not non-stop, as I post all manner of things that interest me.

    I understand that is all you think I post, because the subject triggers you, but to the extent that I do post "race bait" (which for years I never did) I do it for a specific reason.

    From the president on down, including the military and it's surveillance organs along with federal and local law enforcement, they have announced in one form of words or another that white people are the biggest threat to America in existence.

    Marxist and Jacobin street mobs of violent idiot youth agree.

    I post this so called "race bait" to counter that narrative. To prove that the mass shooter is more than likely to be black man. That you are more likely to be shot unjustly by a cop if you are white than black. That if you find yourself victim of a "hate crime" it's more than likely your attacker was black not white. This whole war on whitey is based on nothing but lies, it's all bull$#@!. I have no way to counter that bull$#@! other than by posting "race bait".

    It is Marxist revolutionary rhetoric that has substituted "race" for class.

    Granted, I'm one small voice in the backwater of the internet, but I do what I can.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    What does posting nonstop racebait have to do with defending dead white men?
    Nice attempt to derail the thread.

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    People who believe there are no races are using the talking points of the same people who have indoctrinated others to follow their science.

    Of course there are races. Do you honestly believe all humans came from the lineage of Adam and Eve?

    “There Is One Race, the Human Race”: A False and Destructive Idea



    by David Sims

    WE ARE not all the same race. There are several different human races. There have been published scientific, peer-reviewed studies that have established that the race of a person can be determined from genetic information alone with 99.86% reliability. Here’s a link [
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1196372 ] to the most commonly cited such study:

    Genetic Structure, Self-Identified Race/Ethnicity, and Confounding in Case-Control Association Studies

    Authors: Hua Tang, Tom Quertermous, Beatriz Rodriguez, Sharon L. R. Kardia, Xiaofeng Zhu, Andrew Brown, James S. Pankow, Michael A. Province, Steven C. Hunt, Eric Boerwinkle, Nicholas J. Schork, Neil J. Risch

    Published in February 2005 in the American Journal of Human Genetics.

    The idea that race might be a “social construct” began as an hypothesis introduced by Richard Lewontin, a Jewish Harvard geneticist, in 1972. He claimed that the genetic differences between races were so slight that no one working only with genetic data would categorize people as Asians, Whites, Blacks, Mestizos, etc. Lewontin said that racial classification “is now seen to be of virtually no genetic or taxonomic significance.”

    Leftists were quick to pick up on Lewontin’s words and create a number of slogans from them, including “Race is a social construct” and “There’s only one race, the human race.”

    The Lewontin Hypothesis almost immediately became a required belief among the Politically Correct. And that was very unfortunate for them, because less than 30 years later it would become possible for geneticists and forensic scientists to conduct a statistical analysis of genetic markers in order to see whether their clusters correlated with the commonly identified racial groups. They did.

    By 2005, it was well documented that Lewontin had been wrong. Practically every analysis of genetic markers demonstrated the biological reality of racial identities. It had long been possible for physical anthropologists to sort skeletal remains by race with very good accuracy, using only the shapes of skull, jaw, teeth, and bones as guides. By the first years of the 21st century, it had become possible for forensic experts to do the same thing with DNA, which enabled more accurate identifications of fathers in paternity disputes and in showing police when they have arrested the right suspect, or, sometimes, when they’d nabbed the wrong fellow.

    Although it’s true that all the races of humans share over 99% of their DNA in common, that isn’t a convincing argument for racial equality because most of that genetic code has to do with determining us as animals rather than as plants, as chordates, as vertebrates, as warm-blooded, as giving birth to live offspring and not merely to fertilized eggs, as primates rather than (e.g.) felines, as hominids rather than monkeys, as humans rather than apes. That’s what most of our DNA does.

    We’re very nearly the same genetically as the apes. And you’d have to look closely, and know what to look for, in order to distinguish any mammalian species from any other mammalian species by their DNA alone.

    So that small fraction of DNA that distinguishes one race of humanity from another is enough to cause very significant biological differences.

    And, really, the idea of racial equality ought to have been suspect in any thinking person’s mind from the beginning. Nature produced the visible racial differences, which we usually notice on inspection, and which we mostly agree are trivial in themselves. But then the liberals declared that those “cosmetic” racial differences were the only differences between the races, and that simply doesn’t follow logically.

    It would be a very strange thing indeed if Nature, which created all of the heritable traits in organisms, had been aware of modern “liberal” sensibilities since the dawn of time, and had taken great care — with humans alone, mind you — to permit the evolution of only those racial differences having no social significance of which liberals might disapprove.

    Nature doesn’t respect our opinions that way, of course. And it didn’t carry out the evolution of mankind with any such restraints.

    Allow me to make a simple analogy. Races may be compared with metal canisters filled with gas. The net effect of a race’s collective behavior is like the temperature of the canisters. You can measure their temperatures in order to find out whether they are inside a safe-handling range. If you forego testing the temperature, or if you are informed about the temperature but choose to disregard any “too hot to handle” warnings, then you risk being burned. However, temperature does not predict the speed of any particular molecule in the canister. It only tells you what the average speed is.

    Likewise, statistics on HIV infection rates, per capita crime rates, IQ scores, and similarly important subjects, broken down by race, might tell us that a certain race is, in general, a bunch of nasty savages, even though we realize that there are bound to be a few exceptions. The existence of those exceptions does not justify or require our going over to those other races and associating ourselves in such a way that we will be burned.

    Negative environmental factors can inhibit a person’s development of skills, talents, and abilities below his genetic potential for development. However, no amount of positive environmental influence can raise anyone’s development of skills, talents, or abilities above his genetic potential for development. For example, poor nutrition in childhood can stunt your growth, but not even the most excellent nutrition in childhood (or thereafter) can turn you into a giant when you don’t have the genes to be a giant. The same is true for intelligence. Environmental factors, if bad, can reduce your IQ by several points from what it might have been, but no matter how good the environmental factors are, they can’t make a genius out of you if you don’t have the genes to be a genius.
    https://nationalvanguard.org/2019/10...tructive-idea/
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    WE ARE not all the same race. There are several different human races. There have been published scientific, peer-reviewed studies that have established that the race of a person can be determined from genetic information alone with 99.86% reliability.
    There are only seven classifications of all living things on earth:

    Kingdoms
    Phylum
    Classes
    Order
    Families
    Genus
    Species

    No where is "race" part of the scientific grouping of living things and the distinctions that differentiate one from the other.

    We are all of the same species: hommo sapiens. Any human being can mate and produce fertile offspring with any other human.

    Within the species there is a great deal of room to display genetically identifiable differences. Clearly there are differences between an Australian Aboriginal, a Caucasian and an Inuit Eskimo. Genetically these are no different than the differences between a Collie, a Poodle and a Newfoundland dog. A dog's DNA can be used to determine breed and history just like people, and any dog could produce offspring with any other.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    There are only seven classifications of all living things on earth:

    Kingdoms
    Phylum
    Classes
    Order
    Families
    Genus
    Species

    No where is "race" part of the scientific grouping of living things and the distinctions that differentiate one from the other.

    We are all of the same species: hommo sapiens. Any human being can mate and produce fertile offspring with any other human.

    Within the species there is a great deal of room to display genetically identifiable differences. Clearly there are differences between an Australian Aboriginal, a Caucasian and an Inuit Eskimo. Genetically these are no different than the differences between a Collie, a Poodle and a Newfoundland dog. A dog's DNA can be used to determine breed and history just like people, and any dog could produce offspring with any other.
    Agreed, so if we want to have an intelligent(ish) discussion we can discuss the merits of poodles or collies fighting for their perceived interests whether you believe doing so is prejudice or not but if you start talking about white dog rights or black dog rights I would shun you for obviously being a moron who has no idea what he or she is talking about.

    I do the same thing when people talk about the colors of humans. Ignorance on steroids.

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I post this so called "race bait" to counter that narrative. To prove that the mass shooter is more than likely to be black man. That you are more likely to be shot unjustly by a cop if you are white than black. That if you find yourself victim of a "hate crime" it's more than likely your attacker was black not white. This whole war on whitey is based on nothing but lies, it's all bull$#@!. I have no way to counter that bull$#@! other than by posting "race bait".
    To prove you're more likely to be shot unjustly if you're white requires comparing numbers of incidents to the percentage of the population. I don't think the numbers will crunch in quite that way [/nitpick].

    That said, yes, the Narrative is bull, and you are doing a good job of demonstrating that. And that's an important thing to do. But this is, to borrow a term that has been overused lately, three D chess. They're happy to goad us into appearing to be Neanderthals because then we can disprove everything they say, and no one will listen to us. If a tree falls in the forest...

    It's a balancing act. Having to maintain that balance is a pain, but if we do it, this mess will have a much better outcome for everyone (except Bill Gates).
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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    To prove you're more likely to be shot unjustly if you're white requires comparing numbers of incidents to the percentage of the population. I don't think the numbers will crunch in quite that way [/nitpick]
    You're right, in raw numbers whites get shot more than blacks, but not enough to equal their relative percentages of population.

    Here's the big "but" though: when you compare numbers of police interactions, which right or wrong are much greater among blacks than whites, then the numbers come out different.

    I'll have to dig up the research that was done on that particular issue, I want to say, IIRC, the ratio was 1.97 to one.

    Not a big difference, but it is more than the other.

    Of course, and I always acknowledged this fact as well, for last year, as an example, 27 unarmed blacks were shot and killed by cops.

    That's one weekend in Chicago.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Gumba of Liberty View Post
    Agreed, so if we want to have an intelligent(ish) discussion we can discuss the merits of poodles or collies fighting for their perceived interests whether you believe doing so is prejudice or not but if you start talking about white dog rights or black dog rights I would shun you for obviously being a moron who has no idea what he or she is talking about.

    I do the same thing when people talk about the colors of humans. Ignorance on steroids.
    There is an obvious difference between poodles and collies.

    Is there also not an obvious difference between people as well?
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    There is an obvious difference between poodles and collies.
    They have one thing in common. They're both susceptible to rabies. Start trying to say one is more likely to be rabid than the other, and yer cruisin' fer a bruisin'.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by BSWPaulsen View Post
    Nice attempt to derail the thread.
    That's literally the topic of the article in the OP...
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    Pinochet is the model
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    They have one thing in common. They're both susceptible to rabies. Start trying to say one is more likely to be rabid than the other, and yer cruisin' fer a bruisin'.
    Let's compare poodles and German Shepherds.

    Which is more likely to develop hip dysplasia?

    Which is more likely to live longer?

    Is it white supremacy or a crime worthy of a street beating to say that people have differences as marked and distinct as that?

    Especially if you make clear that, simply because of those differences one should not be deprived of basic rights and liberties?

    I maintain that in a free society, with property rights, you have the right to make that distinction and base your life choices on them, while not infringing on those basic rights.

    Not that any of this philosotarian navel gazing means anything in the real world right now.

    I'm on a war footing, not of my own doing...I'm not the one with the power of the federal government saying I am the greatest threat to the country, nor am I the college don, saying I am a virus and need to be exterminated.

    I'll come back to DEFCON 5 once the Marxist mobs have had a net thrown over them or they have been utterly crushed and defeated.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 07-19-2021 at 01:35 PM.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Let's compare poodles and German Shepherds.

    Which is more likely to develop hip dysplasia?

    Which is more likely to live longer?

    Is it white supremacy or a crime worthy of a street beating to say that people have differences as marked and distinct as that?

    Especially if you make clear that, simply because of those differences one should not be deprived of basic rights and liberties?

    I maintain that in a free society, with property rights, you have the right to make that distinction and base your life choices on them, while not infringing on those basic rights.
    Well if that's all you're trying to say, you could just as easily quote Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Which is something you just don't see liberals doing any more...
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    We believe our lying eyes...

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