Pope decries Capitalism

[Pauls' Revere]

I applaud the antiwar stance, but this guy is garbage. How does the religious right reconcile this?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pope-...101744746.html

ROME (AP) — Pope Francis says the coronavirus pandemic has proven that the “magic theories” of market capitalism have failed and that the world needs a new type of politics that promotes dialogue and solidarity and rejects war at all costs.

Francis on Sunday laid out his vision for a post-COVID world by uniting the core elements of his social teachings into a new encyclical aimed at inspiring a revived sense of the human family. “Fratelli Tutti” (Brothers All) was released on the feast day of his namesake, the peace-loving St. Francis of Assisi.

The document draws its inspiration from the teachings of St. Francis and the pope’s previous preaching on the injustices of the global economy and its destruction of the planet and pairs them with his call for greater human solidarity to confront the “dark clouds over a closed world."

In the encyclical, Francis rejected even the Catholic Church’s own doctrine justifying war as a means of legitimate defense, saying it had been too broadly applied over the centuries and was no longer viable.

[AngryCanadian]

Looks like the so called prophet is showing his colors.

Pope: Market capitalism has failed in pandemic, needs reform

[John-G]

They should first start by selling their multi billion dollar real estate property and emptying their bank accounts to feed the hungry before I will listen to them.

[cjm]

I think I missed the market capitalism he's talking about. Anyone else see it?

[Pauls' Revere]

I think I missed the market capitalism he's talking about. Anyone else see it?

ROME (AP) — Pope Francis says the coronavirus pandemic has proven that the “magic theories” of market capitalism have failed and that the world needs a new type of politics that promotes dialogue and solidarity and rejects war at all costs.

[jkr]

drake meme:

pope: "kapitalism" = ;(
pope: INDULGENCES = :-)

[Anti Globalist]

The Pope is nothing more than a socialist. I bet his interpretation of Jesus is that he was one.

[Krugminator2]

I applaud the antiwar stance, but this guy is garbage. How does the religious right reconcile this?

I was about to post this article.

I don't think the religious right is a huge fan of the pope, so not much to reconcile there. Catholics tend to be a swing vote.

I automatically consider anyone who uses the phrase trickle down economics as either intentionally dishonest or stupid. In the pope's case, I think he is stupid. He espouses the economic philosophy of his home country of Argentina which has been bankrupt more than just about any other country and has interest rates north of 60% to beat back hyperinflation.

[Pauls' Revere]

I was about to post this article.

I don't think the religious right is a huge fan of the pope, so not much to reconcile there. Catholics tend to be a swing vote.

I automatically consider anyone who uses the phrase trickle down economics as either intentionally dishonest or stupid. In the pope's case, I think he is stupid. He espouses the economic philosophy of his home country of Argentina which has been bankrupt more than just about any other country and has interest rates north of 60% to beat back hyperinflation.

I agree, he mixes his home country's economics with religion and a socially palatable global populist mentality.

[devil21]

That's crazy conspiracy stuff. The Vatican and its Jesuit footsoldiers are trying to bring in global socialist government? No way. Unpossible.

It's a good thing Donald, Pompeo, Fauci and the rest of our dear conservative leadership aren't Jesuits.

[Snowball]

He's right - and capitalism is not traditional nor conservative in any way.

Capitalism is an economic system meant to promote and consolidate the power of the CAPITALIST class -

who have been increasing their power with dramatic results ever since the French Revolution.

[Pauls' Revere]

He's right - and capitalism is not traditional nor conservative in any way.

Capitalism is an economic system meant to promote and consolidate the power of the CAPITALIST class -

who have been increasing their power with dramatic results ever since the French Revolution.

What we have today is a morphed perverted version of some sort of Nepotistic Plutocratic Oligarchy. The Pope is a globalist socialist Marxist pig feeding on the trough of spiritual propaganda.

[Snowball]

What we have today is a morphed perverted version of some sort of Nepotistic Plutocratic Oligarchy. The Pope is a globalist socialist Marxist pig feeding on the trough of spiritual propaganda.

I agree with your first posit, but not the latter.

I wouldn't go throwing stones since Paul Revere was nothing but a false flag and Masonic revolutionary propaganda.

There is nothing materialist (Marxist) about Pope Francis. Go read his encyclicals and tell me where the materialist Marxist
dogma is. Nowhere. The opposite is true. It is KAPITALISM that is truly Maxist because it is concerned with materialist, reductionist
concentrations of KAPITAL as somehow ethically situated. It was KAPITALISTS who ripped apart economy from moral philosophy.

[Pauls' Revere]

I agree with your first posit, but not the latter.

I wouldn't go throwing stones since Paul Revere was nothing but a false flag and Masonic revolutionary propaganda.

There is nothing materialist (Marxist) about Pope Francis. Go read his encyclicals and tell me where the materialist Marxist
dogma is. Nowhere. The opposite is true. It is KAPITALISM that is truly Maxist because it is concerned with materialist, reductionist
concentrations of KAPITAL as somehow ethically situated. It was KAPITALISTS who ripped apart economy from moral philosophy.

I disagree with his encyclicals as these are institutional propaganda as he is the corporate head and CEO of the church.

Definition of encyclical (Entry 2 of 2)
: an encyclical letter
specifically : a papal letter to the bishops of the church as a whole or to those in one country

I'm not impressed or surprised that statements from his encyclicals support and defend the church and its stance. Anymore than Zuckerberg defending Facebook. These are statist mantra and nothing else.

On the other hand, he says this.

https://reformationcharlotte.org/201...rxist-mission/

Unfettered Capitalism
A popular term and very liberal socialist in its essence, a simple Google search will show that liberal socialists use the term “unfettered capitalism” to describe the United States. However, going by this definition, there’s a new addition in the ranks of liberal socialists, beginning with the Pope.

In 2013, Pope Francis used this term accompanied by the phrase “dung of the devil.” In short, where the liberal socialists praised him for not mincing his words, others caught on to what he was up to: unfettered Marxism, coming straight out of his mouth. His 84-page apostolic exhortation calls for people to fight global inequality and poverty, and to counter this “new tyranny.”

I will never support this statist Marxist commie pig that defends, supports, and harbors pedophiles. Do I need to remind you of Cardinal Law and Boston?

But wait, it gets better:

Perhaps one would think that the Pope would stop at preaching his core ideologies so publicly but no, there’s more and far more dark work afoot. The shocker came in 2016 when the Pope planted Fr. Arturo Sosa Abascal as the general superior of the Jesuits. Sosa is a renowned Marxist, and has in the past tried to counter traditional Christian teachings by writing about the “Marxist mediation of the Christian Faith.”

[Snowball]

I disagree with his encyclicals as these are institutional propaganda as he is the corporate head and CEO of the church.

One could say the same thing for anything. The UNITED STATES is a corporation. The Vatican is actually not a corporation. Regardless, let's not make this about the abuse scandal or your biases or mine. The Fact is, only 2% of Catholic priests were ever even accused of sexual misconduct, and of that 2% only about 1% were accusations of true pedophilia, and 80% was sexually mature teen boys, 20% sexually mature girls/women. So we're talking about accusations involving 1 in 50 Catholic priests, and 1 in 5000 priests for pedophilia.
Of course there are never excuses and the Church has made great strides over the last 20 years combatting that problem to the point where new cases are almost non-existent.

Anyway, here's some recommended reading..

Amintore Fanfani, Catholicism, Protestantism, and Capitalism.
E. Michael Jones, Barren Metal.
Max Weber, The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism
The Servile State, Hillaire Belloc.
What's Wrong With The World, G.K. Chesterton.
Infiltration, Taylor Marshall.
Social Encyclicals And Other Vatican Documents on Social Justice
http://www.renewaloffaith.org/social-encyclicals.html
The American Revolution, Part I: The Secrets Buried at Lexington Green
https://jamesperloff.com/2014/12/09/...xington-green/

[jmdrake]

The Pope is nothing more than a socialist. I bet his interpretation of Jesus is that he was one.

A lot of people are pushing the "Jesus was a socialist" meme these days because he talked about helping the poor and oppressed. But Jesus never said "I was hungry and you convinced the government to take money from the rich and feed me." He said "I was hungry and YOU fed me." If the Pope was serious about social justice he could sell the Vatican and feed the poor.

[Pauls' Revere]

One could say the same thing for anything. The UNITED STATES is a corporation. The Vatican is actually not a corporation. Regardless, let's not make this about the abuse scandal or your biases or mine. The Fact is, only 2% of Catholic priests were ever even accused of sexual misconduct, and of that 2% only about 1% were accusations of true pedophilia, and 80% was sexually mature teen boys, 20% sexually mature girls/women. So we're talking about accusations involving 1 in 50 Catholic priests, and 1 in 5000 priests for pedophilia.
Of course there are never excuses and the Church has made great strides over the last 20 years combatting that problem to the point where new cases are almost non-existent.

Anyway, here's some recommended reading..

Amintore Fanfani, Catholicism, Protestantism, and Capitalism.
E. Michael Jones, Barren Metal.
Max Weber, The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism
The Servile State, Hillaire Belloc.
What's Wrong With The World, G.K. Chesterton.
Infiltration, Taylor Marshall.
Social Encyclicals And Other Vatican Documents on Social Justice
http://www.renewaloffaith.org/social-encyclicals.html
The American Revolution, Part I: The Secrets Buried at Lexington Green
https://jamesperloff.com/2014/12/09/...xington-green/

Thanks for the links, I try to be informed even against my opinion. We'll just have to agree to disagree on the Pope and his ideology. Frankly, not much point to it anyway because in the end im just a guy on the street. A cog in the wheel, a fart in the wind, does my opinion really have any sort of effect at all? I think not, and certainly won't affect the Pope or change his way of thinking. I do believe he is confused/conflicted when trying to empower peoples souls. Marxism and its ilk is not the way to "The Light" as he believes. He should be preaching more like John Paul II who was an instrumental figure in freeing Poland, East Germany, and even Soviet Russia.

Btw, I concur, the Vatican & U.S. can be interpreted as corporations.

[Anti Globalist]

A lot of people are pushing the "Jesus was a socialist" meme these days because he talked about helping the poor and oppressed. But Jesus never said "I was hungry and you convinced the government to take money from the rich and feed me." He said "I was hungry and YOU fed me." If the Pope was serious about social justice he could sell the Vatican and feed the poor.

People just need to understand that Jesus was a voluntaryists.

[Pauls' Revere]

A lot of people are pushing the "Jesus was a socialist" meme these days because he talked about helping the poor and oppressed. But Jesus never said "I was hungry and you convinced the government to take money from the rich and feed me." He said "I was hungry and YOU fed me." If the Pope was serious about social justice he could sell the Vatican and feed the poor.

+ rep

"Know them by their actions not by their words" - Jesus

[Snowball]

Thanks for the links, I try to be informed even against my opinion. We'll just have to agree to disagree on the Pope and his ideology. Frankly, not much point to it anyway because in the end im just a guy on the street. A cog in the wheel, a fart in the wind, does my opinion really have any sort of effect at all? I think not, and certainly won't affect the Pope or change his way of thinking. I do believe he is confused/conflicted when trying to empower peoples souls. Marxism and its ilk is not the way to "The Light" as he believes. He should be preaching more like John Paul II who was an instrumental figure in freeing Poland, East Germany, and even Soviet Russia.

Btw, I concur, the Vatican & U.S. can be interpreted as corporations.

Pope Francis is not a Marxist. Marxism is a reductionist, atheistic and materialist ideology.

[jkr]

One of the largest land holders on the planet...

[Pauls' Revere]

Pope Francis is not a Marxist. Marxism is a reductionist, atheistic and materialist ideology.

The Pope reduces the individual, removes God (implants Globalism), and collects material wealth for the church.

[Anti Federalist]

Frankie the Red hates anything resembling free market capitalism, because nothing, including 20 centuries of the Holy Roman Catholic church, has lifted more people out of poverty than free market capitalism.

That makes him redundant and unneeded.

So will embracing hommosexual unions, which he did today.

What value is Frankie the Red or the church, if you are not a voice standing against the shifting currents of the day and sin and salvation are secondary considerations.

Your words now hold no more worth than the meanderings and mumbling of the vapid pop star or sportsball player.

[devil21]

Frankie the Red hates anything resembling free market capitalism, because nothing, including 20 centuries of the Holy Roman Catholic church, has lifted more people out of poverty than free market capitalism.

That makes him redundant and unneeded.

So will embracing hommosexual unions, which he did today.

What value is Frankie the Red or the church, if you are not a voice standing against the shifting currents of the day and sin and salvation are secondary considerations.

Your words now hold no more worth than the meanderings and mumbling of the vapid pop star or sportsball player.

While that may be true for the average person, it is far from true for those in power positions. It's not like both Trump and Biden are Catholic/Jesuit and appoint likewise to positions of power. Oh wait...