President Trump, If You're Reading This...

[Theocrat]

STOP!

No more bailouts! No more stimulus packages! No more calls to the Fed for lowering interest rates!

Stop acting like a socialist, and use your brain to think through what needs to be done, and be fiscally responsible with our money! Let the markets correct themselves, and stop thinking the government is the final solution for fixing everything! You're suppose to be a conservative!

[RonZeplin]

President Trump is hoping to ride the wave of socialism into a 2nd term.

[pcosmar]

The Democrats are gonna love him before it is over.

[enhanced_deficit]

Folks here seem bit too anti-socialism...

MAGA-Lkiud wing leadership is trying rise to the call of the history with bold stimulus spending to put American Families First, let it be.

[dannno]

You have to take out the deep state first, they were the ones in control for many centuries. That is the primary objective.

After that, we can prepare ourselves for a free world, because before that, it will not be allowed.

Trump does what he has to do to conquer the primary objective.

[kcchiefs6465]

You have to take out the deep state first, they were the ones in control for many centuries. That is the primary objective.

After that, we can prepare ourselves for a free world, because before that, it will not be allowed.

Trump does what he has to do to conquer the primary objective.

Better stock up on DMT before the lockdown.

[Slave Mentality]

You have to take out the deep state first, they were the ones in control for many centuries. That is the primary objective.

After that, we can prepare ourselves for a free world, because before that, it will not be allowed.

Trump does what he has to do to conquer the primary objective.

Man, the $#@!ing deepstate is now in full bloom. The Deepstate Kraken has been released. The government is growing and your guy is cheering it on. He wants another trillion printed on top of the trillion they already have to print to keep the $#@!show going. Trump has done a horrible job of dealing with the most important objective to “take out “ the deep state - government spending money they don’t have. Any thing else is fake.

[Sammy]

Trump should replace mnuchin with peter schiff

[Warlord]

Trump should replace mnuchin with peter schiff

LOL!

Great post @Theocrat.

Ron Paul was the only one who had the balls to demand cuts to government programs like defense and welfare. Trump should level with the people and explain the mess but he won't. All he's interested in is propping things up. He is just making things worse.

[Todd]

First time I haven't seen Sword defend the indefensible. There's still time.

I want to hear one Trumpkin tell me that more debt for Coronavirus bailout is liberty minded and 3D chess.

[CCTelander]

First time I haven't seen Sword defend the indefensible. There's still time.

I want to hear one Trumpkin tell me that more debt for Coronavirus bailout is liberty minded and 3D chess.

Ask dannno. He always posts the best Trump fanfic.

[PAF]

The Democrats are gonna love him before it is over.

His record speaks for itself. They should already absolutely love him but he has the wrong letter after his name.

[phill4paul]

First time I haven't seen Sword defend the indefensible. There's still time.

I want to hear one Trumpkin tell me that more debt for Coronavirus bailout is liberty minded and 3D chess.

Trump is not Ron Paul. He is not an ideologue. He is a populist. Has been from day one. He wants a second term. ANY sitting president that bucked a Federal money dump during this crises would effectively be a one term president. If Ron Paul had been nominated and been faced with this, HE would have been a one term president and we would all be sitting here bitching about how stupid the American people were. And nothing else on his agenda would ever be accomplished because there would be no second term.
FFS you would think that Ron Paul people would have learned by now how this game is played. There's what you WANT and then there is what you can GET. Trump's accomplishments have been vast. From conservative judges to deregulation and an economy that would be totally decimated by this 'crises' had he not strengthened it during his first 3 years. Trump has been able to implement a great deal of good things during his first three years and he wants another term. That's not so $#@!ing hard to understand. If he were to refuse to pass these spending measures then the House would over-ride him, the media would skewer him, and the ignorant masses would turn on him as a heartless S.O.B. in a heartbeat.

[PAF]

Trump is not Ron Paul. He is not an ideologue. He is a populist. Has been from day one. He wants a second term. ANY sitting president that bucked a Federal money dump during this crises would effectively be a one term president. If Ron Paul had been nominated and been faced with this, HE would have been a one term president and we would all be sitting here bitching about how stupid the American people were. And nothing else on his agenda would ever be accomplished because there would be no second term.
FFS you would think that Ron Paul people would have learned by now how this game is played. There's what you WANT and then there is what you can GET. Trump's accomplishments have been vast. From conservative judges to deregulation and an economy that would be totally decimated by this 'crises' had he not strengthened it during his first 3 years. Trump has been able to implement a great deal of good things during his first three years and he wants another term. That's not so $#@!ing hard to understand. If he were to refuse to pass these spending measures then the House would over-ride him, the media would skewer him, and the ignorant masses would turn on him as a heartless S.O.B. in a heartbeat.

Debt = Slavery, the biggest debt in the entire history of this nation and keeps on growing.

No. Ron Paul may have been one term, but he would have explained and tried to teach to the American people like he continues to do now. Trump doesn't, it is still left versus right which are one and the same, never talks about liberty versus tyranny, so he makes the problems worse.

There is no "game" with us RP people. We speak the truth and attempt to educate, something that every president and the FedDeptEd/Common Core *FAIL* to do.

[Todd]

Trump is not Ron Paul. He is not an ideologue. He is a populist. Has been from day one. He wants a second term. ANY sitting president that bucked a Federal money dump during this crises would effectively be a one term president. If Ron Paul had been nominated and been faced with this, HE would have been a one term president and we would all be sitting here bitching about how stupid the American people were. And nothing else on his agenda would ever be accomplished because there would be no second term.
FFS you would think that Ron Paul people would have learned by now how this game is played. There's what you WANT and then there is what you can GET. Trump's accomplishments have been vast. From conservative judges to deregulation and an economy that would be totally decimated by this 'crises' had he not strengthened it during his first 3 years. Trump has been able to implement a great deal of good things during his first three years and he wants another term. That's not so $#@!ing hard to understand. If he were to refuse to pass these spending measures then the House would over-ride him, the media would skewer him, and the ignorant masses would turn on him as a heartless S.O.B. in a heartbeat.

So in summary:
he gives people what they want to get reelected. We speculate he has strengthened this Mickey Mouse bubble economy and wants to now print more money to help continue to stimulate this Mickey Mouse bubble economy. Good to know.

[jmdrake]

STOP!

No more bailouts! No more stimulus packages! No more calls to the Fed for lowering interest rates!

Stop acting like a socialist, and use your brain to think through what needs to be done, and be fiscally responsible with our money! Let the markets correct themselves, and stop thinking the government is the final solution for fixing everything! You're suppose to be a conservative!

Jokes on you bro. Trump supported Hillary Clinton. He supported an assault weapons ban. He offshored his own businesses to China.

Trump is a salesman.

Trump is a salesman.

Trump is a salesman.

Trump is a salesman.

Trump did market research before running for president as to the most important issue for Republicans. He learned it was the border wall. He ran the hell out of that one issue.

[jmdrake]

You have to take out the deep state first, they were the ones in control for many centuries. That is the primary objective.

After that, we can prepare ourselves for a free world, because before that, it will not be allowed.

Trump does what he has to do to conquer the primary objective.

Fight it? He's part of it.

[phill4paul]

Debt = Slavery, the biggest debt in the entire history of this nation and keeps on growing.

No. Ron Paul may have been one term, but he would have explained and tried to teach to the American people like he continues to do now. Trump doesn't, it is still left versus right which are one and the same, never talks about liberty versus tyranny, so he makes the problems worse.

There is no "game" with us RP people. We speak the truth and attempt to educate, something that every president and the FedDeptEd/Common Core *FAIL* to do.

And he would have gotten nowhere, had the media excoriate and marginalize worse than they did, he would not have finished out even his first term. GO TEAM LIBERTY!

Trump is not a "Liberty" president. He never claimed to be. But, unlike those that have TDS, I've come to appreciate some of the accomplishments he's made, and more that he is trying to do. But, go on with your street corner preaching. Because, today, in the here and now, nobody wants to hear that the government isn't there for them. You cannot educate people when they are living paycheck to paycheck and even that is stripped from them through no fault of their own. Then they will only cry for more socialism. You can only do it when they start to get a piece of the pie and want another serving. And Trump had begun doing just that. Until...this.

[PAF]

And he would have gotten nowhere, had the media excoriate and marginalize worse than they did, he would not have finished out even his first term. GO TEAM LIBERTY!

Trump is not a "Liberty" president. He never claimed to be. But, unlike those that have TDS, I've come to appreciate some of the accomplishments he's made, and more that he is trying to do. But, go on with your street corner preaching. Because, today, in the here and now, nobody wants to hear that the government isn't there for them. You cannot educate people when they are living paycheck to paycheck and even that is stripped from them through no fault of their own. Then they will only cry for more socialism. You can only do it when they start to get a piece of the pie and want another serving. And Trump had begun doing just that. Until...this.

LOL

March-in-lock-step, keep the duopoly rolling along.

Until this? Perhaps gloss over his On the Record. He is a NY Lib, who throws bones to the "republican" party because he is an opportunist. And the "republicans" have moved more to the left than in any time in history. Thanks to him.

Thanks, but no thanks.

[phill4paul]

So in summary:
he gives people what they want to get reelected. We speculate he has strengthened this Mickey Mouse bubble economy and wants to now print more money to help continue to stimulate this Mickey Mouse bubble economy. Good to know.

FFS he DID strengthen the economy. Tens of millions were being lifted out of poverty. Getting jobs. Going off food stamps. Getting a slice of the pie. Even with tax cuts he was bringing in more revenue than previously because more were paying in. Spending and the bubble is something completely different. And something NO president can stop. Even a Veto would be over-ridden. Believe me when this 'crises' passes he is going to hammer home the need to bring manufacturing back to the U.S. He's already done a bang up job deregulating. And when it comes down to it, unless manufacturing is brought back, then the much sought after collapse that so many here hope and pray happens so they can say "I told ya so, and so did Peter Shiff," will come. And it won't be pretty.

[Todd]

You have to take out the deep state first, they were the ones in control for many centuries. That is the primary objective.

After that, we can prepare ourselves for a free world, because before that, it will not be allowed.

Trump does what he has to do to conquer the primary objective.

You know how you fight the Deepstate? You fire every single Executive upper management entrenched person within the institutions that make up the Bureaucratic Swamp. Then you hire those who meet the criteria for open anti-authoritarian systems processes in leadership and remove all persons of influence from the private sector who have access to those institutions. I haven't seen Trump attempt this and actually did the opposite. The institutions won't attack him if the mindset to usurp liberty is eradicated from the institutions and the people in charge lay heavy prices on their respective sections if they do so. It's a slow process, but he hasn't even attempted that except in the court systems and that's debatable.

[phill4paul]

LOL

March-in-lock-step, keep the duopoly rolling along.

Until this? Perhaps gloss over his On the Record. He is a NY Lib, who throws bones to the "republican" party because he is an opportunist. And the "republicans" have moved more to the left than in any time in history. Thanks to him.

Thanks, but no thanks.

Oh me gerds! You just know SOOOO much. How ever could I have doubted your superior intellect? Well, that explains it ALLLL for me. Thank you.


But, no thanks.

[RonZeplin]

Orange Socialist Bad.

[dannno]

You know how you fight the Deepstate? You fire every single Executive upper management entrenched person within the institutions that make up the Bureaucratic Swamp. Then you hire those who meet the criteria for open anti-authoritarian systems processes in leadership and remove all persons of influence from the private sector who have access to those institutions. I haven't seen Trump attempt this and actually did the opposite. The institutions won't attack him if the mindset to usurp liberty is eradicated from the institutions and the people in charge lay heavy prices on their respective sections if they do so. It's a slow process, but he hasn't even attempted that except in the court systems and that's debatable.

Ugh, no, the deep state isn't just in the government, the deep state is the media, the banking cabal, the heads of corporations, etc, etc..

You have to expose them and take them out. Primary objective.

Once that is done, then you focus on freedom. Not that you can't chip away for freedom in the mean time like Rand is, it's just that isn't the primary objective yet.

[donnay]

You know how you fight the Deepstate? You fire every single Executive upper management entrenched person within the institutions that make up the Bureaucratic Swamp. Then you hire those who meet the criteria for open anti-authoritarian systems processes in leadership and remove all persons of influence from the private sector who have access to those institutions. I haven't seen Trump attempt this and actually did the opposite. The institutions won't attack him if the mindset to usurp liberty is eradicated from the institutions and the people in charge lay heavy prices on their respective sections if they do so. It's a slow process, but he hasn't even attempted that except in the court systems and that's debatable.

You should run, that a fantastic idea if you can do that before they take you out.

[Todd]

You should run, that a fantastic idea if you can do that before they take you out.

I would have approximately 2 months to do so. but you are correct. I wonder if people realize that's what would have happened to Ron.

[Anti Globalist]

I would have approximately 2 months to do so. but you are correct. I wonder if people realize that's what would have happened to Ron.

Yes, Ron would have been taken out immediately after being elected president.

[CCTelander]

I would have approximately 2 months to do so. but you are correct. I wonder if people realize that's what would have happened to Ron.

Personally, I wonder if people realize that winning the presidency was never really what Ron's campaigns were about to begin with? I tend to think not since most people around here tend to mark his presidential runs down as failures, when in fact they were wildly successful. So much so that the so-called "liberty movement" was incapable of fully capitalizing upon their success even if they'd been interested in doing so, which the majority were not.

[r3volution 3.0]

Trump is not Ron Paul. He is not an ideologue. He is a populist. Has been from day one. He wants a second term. ANY sitting president that bucked a Federal money dump during this crises would effectively be a one term president. If Ron Paul had been nominated and been faced with this, HE would have been a one term president and we would all be sitting here bitching about how stupid the American people were. And nothing else on his agenda would ever be accomplished because there would be no second term.
FFS you would think that Ron Paul people would have learned by now how this game is played. There's what you WANT and then there is what you can GET. Trump's accomplishments have been vast. From conservative judges to deregulation and an economy that would be totally decimated by this 'crises' had he not strengthened it during his first 3 years. Trump has been able to implement a great deal of good things during his first three years and he wants another term. That's not so $#@!ing hard to understand. If he were to refuse to pass these spending measures then the House would over-ride him, the media would skewer him, and the ignorant masses would turn on him as a heartless S.O.B. in a heartbeat.

Trump's made no significant changes; he's just continued the trend. This economy was on the verge of recession, thanks to structural problems that Trump made worse, before anyone heard of the virus. And now he's acting like any other politician, doing his best FDR impersonation (as he would have in the ordinary recession that was coming anyway). Trump is Obama is Bush etc etc. He's not important enough to even bother hating, an historical mouse fart.

[106459]

You know how you fight the Deepstate? You fire every single Executive upper management entrenched person within the institutions that make up the Bureaucratic Swamp. Then you hire those who meet the criteria for open anti-authoritarian systems processes in leadership and remove all persons of influence from the private sector who have access to those institutions. I haven't seen Trump attempt this and actually did the opposite. The institutions won't attack him if the mindset to usurp liberty is eradicated from the institutions and the people in charge lay heavy prices on their respective sections if they do so. It's a slow process, but he hasn't even attempted that except in the court systems and that's debatable.

You should run, that a fantastic idea if you can do that before they take you out.

I would have approximately 2 months to do so. but you are correct. I wonder if people realize that's what would have happened to Ron.

I'm confused - you agree your method of fighting the deepstate gets you killed, and prevents you from making changes? I'm not sure what formula was derived for having 2 months to make changes, but it seems to me like if they have the power to kill you, you were going to make an instantly devastating change in 2 months, it seems to me like they would just kill you two months sooner.

I'd have to agree with Phil, there's what you want, and what you can get. I'll take cutting regulations, lowering taxes, and calling the MSM fake news at press conferences.

To note, I don't see your summary as accurate:

Trump is not Ron Paul. He is not an ideologue. He is a populist. Has been from day one. He wants a second term. ANY sitting president that bucked a Federal money dump during this crises would effectively be a one term president. If Ron Paul had been nominated and been faced with this, HE would have been a one term president and we would all be sitting here bitching about how stupid the American people were. And nothing else on his agenda would ever be accomplished because there would be no second term.
FFS you would think that Ron Paul people would have learned by now how this game is played. There's what you WANT and then there is what you can GET. Trump's accomplishments have been vast. From conservative judges to deregulation and an economy that would be totally decimated by this 'crises' had he not strengthened it during his first 3 years. Trump has been able to implement a great deal of good things during his first three years and he wants another term. That's not so $#@!ing hard to understand. If he were to refuse to pass these spending measures then the House would over-ride him, the media would skewer him, and the ignorant masses would turn on him as a heartless S.O.B. in a heartbeat.

So in summary:
he gives people what they want to get reelected. We speculate he has strengthened this Mickey Mouse bubble economy and wants to now print more money to help continue to stimulate this Mickey Mouse bubble economy. Good to know.

No, it's being said that liberty-folk are arguing over moot points and non-options.

-There would and will be stimulus, even if Congress has to override a veto. Trump has never been considered a scholar and intellectual, for him to fall on the sword of "the markets will fix themselves" will be the end of his presidency and have Austrian economics laughed at for another 20 years, with Trump being the new face of it.

My issue is that, as best I can tell, there's a large number on this forum that loves to complain and has no solutions. Nothing will ever be good enough, so it's all $#@!, bring on the collapse. That's great. At the rate of how I'm hearing Trump is the worst thing to ever happen, ever, (he's even no different from socialist Sanders) then no one should be complaining about how the collapse is taking too long. It should happen plenty fast if there is a drunken monkey at the helm, revenues being reduced via tax cuts, spending going out of control, fed intervention like mad. The collapsatarians should be happy as a clam. It can't get any better for them. But I guess that's not good enough either.

And, so, when a solution is pressed for, it seems like the answer is "We need a Ron Paul" ... We already had one. That solution failed. Under what people argued was the most consistent statesman with the most intense grassroots support. Under more amicable conditions then, than there will be today (because everything is getting worse, in the contrarian view). So there is no solution being offered. Just a fairytale.

-Here's where I'd like to be productive and offer something constructive, to make lemonade out of lemons, but I'd have to do a lot of thinking and I don't think it'll offer much.