Proposal for CFL: 1 person per state for committee - DENIED

[Matt Collins]

I am at the CFL Leadership Summit in MSP.


A lady proposed an ad-hoc committee of 1 person per state to represent the grassroots to the CFL so that there would be some sort of representation during the interim while all of the statewide CFL chapters formed and became recognized.

Mr. Greenspan basically said that would not be happening, at least not today, and promptly moved on to other topics.

[MsDoodahs]

I would guess that getting something like that set up would take as long as rolling out the chapters/organizing....

[constituent]

meh... who picks the fifty?

lose, lose imo.

[Jeremy]

Like a Senate? =)

[Matt Collins]

I would guess that getting something like that set up would take as long as rolling out the chapters/organizing....

Perhaps. But the impression that I got (and I could be wrong) is that the CFL is NOT interested in the opinions and input from the "grassroots".

We'll see how this plays out...

[Matt Collins]

meh... who picks the fifty?

It was proposed to be a vote by the people of those States

[constituent]

It was proposed to be a vote by the people of those States

not yet bureaucratic enough for ya?

[Jeremy]

Perhaps. But the impression that I got (and I could be wrong) is that the CFL is NOT interested in the opinions and input from the "grassroots".

We'll see how this plays out...

well i dont trust your judgment anymore after you made that inaccurate pessimist thread about bj lawson

[pacelli]

Perhaps. But the impression that I got (and I could be wrong) is that the CFL is NOT interested in the opinions and input from the "grassroots".

We'll see how this plays out...

sounds like campaign 2.0, they don't want to win. Wasn't the whole point of the creation of the CFL to allow communication between the campaign & the grassroots?

[Matt Collins]

sounds like campaign 2.0, they don't want to win. Wasn't the whole point of the creation of the CFL to allow communication between the campaign & the grassroots?

That's the vibe I'm getting but I don't want to pass judgment too early.

[constituent]

Wasn't the whole point of the creation of the CFL to allow communication between the campaign & the grassroots?

that was the "building your database" phase.

guess you hadn't noticed but we entered the "owning the list," and "converting the prospects" phase about 3, 3 1/2 wks. ago.

what you're seeing now is the dialog shift into the assertive/assumptive tone that leads into
"closing the deal," and finally, the "referrals, referrals, referrals" phase will start soon to help bring it all home.

the gr dialog will come and go fairly predictably as we move through the various stages with the whole process repeating over time.


lather, rinse, repeat.

[pacelli]

that was the "building your database" phase.

guess you hadn't noticed but we entered the "owning the list," and "converting the prospects" phase about 3, 3 1/2 wks. ago.

what you're seeing now is the dialog shift into the assertive/assumptive tone that leads into
"closing the deal," and finally, the "referrals, referrals, referrals" phase will start soon to help bring it all home.

the gr dialog will come and go fairly predictably as we move through the various stages with the whole process repeating over time.


lather, rinse, repeat.

LOL the truth of what you say is so accurate that it is hilarious, yet tragic at the same time.

[Matt Collins]

well i dont trust your judgment anymore after you made that inaccurate pessimist thread about bj lawson

I Never made an inaccurate or pessimistic statement about BJ.

[IPSecure]

lather, rinse, repeat.

Error - Endless Loop

[tonesforjonesbones]

Well..this is what I'm worried about with CFL...is it really grassroots? I get the funny feeling it's merely a money making project. We shall see. Tones

[Matt Collins]

Well..this is what I'm worried about with CFL...is it really grassroots? I get the funny feeling it's merely a money making project. We shall see. Tones

Well, no I do not get the impression that it is a money making project at all. In fact I think their goals are lofty and have great potential to changte the face of US politics in the midterm. Whether or not it's going to be managed better than how the campaign was managed remiains to be seen.

[Paul_Delegate]

Perhaps. But the impression that I got (and I could be wrong) is that the CFL is NOT interested in the opinions and input from the "grassroots".

We'll see how this plays out...

I am certain that is not true, because I have seen them take opinions and input from "the grassroots".

Why is it that every single post you post about the CFL has a negative slant and implication? You couch it in nice, nice, but if anyone searched your profile and reviewed your posts, you have not one single nice thing to say.

Frankly, I think you are here to cause division.

[Paul_Delegate]

It was proposed to be a vote by the people of those States

Proposed by whom? You?

[Paul_Delegate]

Wasn't the whole point of the creation of the CFL to allow communication between the campaign & the grassroots?

That's not what I got out of it. It seemed to me like the CFL is a skeleton crew providing services, tools and training to the grassroots activists who actually do work.

Those who blog and complain all day or are seeking a shiny badge to lord over others are going to be unhappy in the CFL - I believe.

[Paul_Delegate]

I don't want to pass judgment too early.

That's PRECISELY what you want to do.

[MsDoodahs]

Frankly, I think you are here to cause division.

Mod hat off:

And you'd be correct.

[Matt Collins]

Frankly, I think you are here to cause division.

That's PRECISELY what you want to do.

And you'd be correct.

The both of you are incorrect. I am looking to hold a leadership position within the CFL. Why would I do that if I wanted to cause division

Please try to think through things before you make ignorant comments like the above.

[Matt Collins]

That's not what I got out of it. It seemed to me like the CFL is a skeleton crew providing services, tools and training to the grassroots activists who actually do work.

Yes and no. But honestly it seems to be still fairly unclear. The biggest thing I got out of it was that they want us to basically start local, not nationally. And that's a great plan. But I am thinking for every question answered about the CFL 2 more were generated.

[Matt Collins]

Proposed by whom? You?

No. Someone else in the room proposed it, not myself.

I am just saying that the impression that I got was that the CFL doesn't want constructive criticism or upwards communication. Again I could be wrong, but that was the vibe that I received.

[Matt Collins]

Why is it that every single post you post about the CFL has a negative slant and implication?

It's not. But please tell me why almost every post you make about me is a personal attack?

You couch it in nice, nice, but if anyone searched your profile and reviewed your posts, you have not one single nice thing to say.

That is incorrect again. I thought the rally went really well. I had a great time and thought it was awesome. I think the goals of the CFL are great and they have the right idea; a long-term infiltration of the GOP.

I think the details and execution is a bit blurred, and I ALWAYS think things can be improved in most situations. What's wrong with pointing these things out in terms of constructive criticism?

[afmatt]

I think the details and execution is a bit blurred, and I ALWAYS think things can be improved in most situations. What's wrong with pointing these things out in terms of constructive criticism?

Matt I can see where you're coming from. There were a lot of questions generated this weekend. There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism, but it seems like you are concentrating on the criticism side and not the constructive. For example, what exactly is constructive about the whole flag post from earlier today? That seemed VERY far from constructive.

I am looking to hold a leadership position within the CFL.

...really?
...
Too tired to respond to that properly.

[MsDoodahs]

Mod Hat off:

The both of you are incorrect. I am looking to hold a leadership position within the CFL. Why would I do that if I wanted to cause division

Please try to think through things before you make ignorant comments like the above.

You mean like the ignorant lewd comments you made here ABOUT RON PAUL'S GRANDDAUGHTER just a few days ago?

Ignorant like that?

[LibertyEagle]

Cool tool. Screenshots.

[Paul_Delegate]

The both of you are incorrect. I am looking to hold a leadership position within the CFL. Why would I do that if I wanted to cause division

Please try to think through things before you make ignorant comments like the above.

Oh I've thought about it and if I have any input or feedback, I'll do what I can to make sure you don't get it.

You were given 2 days of precise, specific instruction about how to be a leader in the CFL.

What you are looking for is a shiny badge to lord over others with.

If you really want to be a leader in the CFL, you can do that RIGHT NOW and do not need a position or title.

You think you're too good for the grunt work, though, I'm sure. Which is why I think you are a Tory.

[Sally08]

Mod Hat off:



You mean like the ignorant lewd comments you made here ABOUT RON PAUL'S GRANDDAUGHTER just a few days ago?

Ignorant like that?

And another valuable contribution to bump the thread (and it's not in Hot Topics)

And look at the posts insulting forum members *and* hijacking the thread that aren't being dealt with by a mod "with hat on".

Is Paul_Delegate following forum posting guidelines that he should have just read, given his join date of 9/2?

Is Paul_Delegate another person with more than one login?

Did Paul_Delegate join specifically to post against Matt?

Given the 18? posts, there sure appears to be an attack pattern for a "newbie"