Biker Shootout in Waco: Multiple fatalities

[pcosmar]

At least the private sector equivalent of the modern day public sector law enforcement apparatus self destructs from time to time.

I have never been attacked,, harassed, or arrested by any of the several Bike Clubs I have had contact with.

I have always found them to be good folks.. And have been at events with several "rival" clubs without incident.

I suspect this was provoked by the police themselves.

[tod evans]

I have never been attacked,, harassed, or arrested by any of the several Bike Clubs I have had contact with.

I have always found them to be good folks.. And have been at events with several "rival" clubs without incident.

I suspect this was provoked by the police themselves.

^^^^^^^^^ Much truth! ^^^^^^^

[kcchiefs6465]

I have never been attacked,, harassed, or arrested by any of the several Bike Clubs I have had contact with.

I have always found them to be good folks.. And have been at events with several "rival" clubs without incident.

I suspect this was provoked by the police themselves.

I'd like to reinforce this sentiment.

I cannot recall ever being beaten, kidnapped, threatened with bodily harm, or anything of the sort by any of the many motorcycle clubs.

The one time I have gotten into a disagreement, of sorts, with a few bikers, they showed amazing restraint in not beating my ass. I was just a kid at the time but looking back, I wouldn't really have much to say about it if they had not shown such restraint.

Now the police on the other hand...

And it wouldn't surprise me at all if the police fired the first shot or if they were responsible for the majority of the fatalities.

[pcosmar]

And it wouldn't surprise me at all if the police fired the first shot or if they were responsible for the majority of the fatalities.

I have been looking for more,,
something besides the usual copsucking Media reports.

Apparently Cops are looking for any videos too. (to suppress information)

I would like to see what (and who) started it and who exactly did the shooting.

Police are blaming the Restaurant,, for not cooperating. (whatever that means) and it seems the police were there even before there was any problem.
and were planing on trouble,, even though there presence was not requested nor required.

I suspect they provoked the fight in the first place,, as an excuse to crack down .

It may have been a fight between a couple individuals that did not involve the many others there. and did not involve guns until the police involvement.

[Carlybee]

I have never been attacked,, harassed, or arrested by any of the several Bike Clubs I have had contact with.

I have always found them to be good folks.. And have been at events with several "rival" clubs without incident.

I suspect this was provoked by the police themselves.

Not defending the cops but the Bandidos are generally not an innocent biker club. They are generally a bunch of hard asses who have been in Texas for years and into a lot of bad stuff...not saying they are all bad but they are a true one per center club. You really just don't mess with them.

[William Tell]

Funniest part of the CNN article:

That may sound funny. But I know exactly what they are talking about. Twin Peaks is on the corner of the busiest shopping mall in Waco. And right next to a really busy Mexican Restaurant.

Considering how many people were involved or in the vicinity, the outcome could have been far worse.

[pcosmar]

Not defending the cops but the Bandidos are generally not an innocent biker club. They are generally a bunch of hard asses who have been in Texas for years and into a lot of bad stuff...not saying they are all bad but they are a true one per center club. You really just don't mess with them.

I know none of those folks personally. There are $#@!s everywhere.

There very well might have been a fight between a couple of them. and in my experience that usually involves fists clubs and occasionally knives.
Seldom guns.

I wonder who actually started shooting,, and if any bikers even fired a shot at all.

I do know that many are Vets,, and many Combat Vets..
I suspect if they had fired at police at all we would be hearing about Police fatalities rather than Bikers.

and as yet that is not the case,, but it may be coming (blowback)

[tod evans]

I've known several Bandidos over the years and I'd trust any one of them with my property or even my child.

Can't say the same for the kops or clergy I've known......

[Carlybee]

I know none of those folks personally. There are $#@!s everywhere.

There very well might have been a fight between a couple of them. and in my experience that usually involves fists clubs and occasionally knives.
Seldom guns.

I wonder who actually started shooting,, and if any bikers even fired a shot at all.

I'm from a pretty rough part of Texas and trust me, the Bandidos will use guns. If you jack with a Bandido, screw one over etc...they will take you out. Generally they will just execute you away from public. Yeah I know that's a bold claim but it happens. They are into the same stuff the HA are into at least here in this state. They are not a bunch of hobbyist bikers. That being said, the cops were already on scene..they were "anticipating" trouble so they may very well have fired the first shots when it spilled over into the parking lot.

[William Tell]

I have never been attacked,, harassed, or arrested by any of the several Bike Clubs I have had contact with.

I have always found them to be good folks.. And have been at events with several "rival" clubs without incident.

I suspect this was provoked by the police themselves.

No, people near there saw something like this coming a while ago. There are some nasty bike groups in the state of Texas. The bar went out of its way to openly welcomed these people. Which is there choice, and that's fine. But it was dumb in hindsight, and not a surprise at all. A knee jerk pro biker reaction doesn't make sense here, anymore than a knee jerk pro cop reaction in most cases.

I will probably know more later today.

[pcosmar]

I'm from a pretty rough part of Texas and trust me, the Bandidos will use guns. If you jack with a Bandido, screw one over etc...they will take you out. Generally they will just execute you away from public. Yeah I know that's a bold claim but it happens. They are into the same stuff the HA are into. They are not a bunch of hobbyist bikers. That being said, the cops were already on scene..they were "anticipating" trouble so they may very well have fired the first shots when it spilled over into the parking lot.

Don't know those clubs. Nor have I ever joined a club. I have known Hells Angels,,Outlaws and Iron Horsemen,, and a few smaller clubs.

and if you $#@! with them you can expect it to not be tolerated. Don't $#@! with them,, treat them fairly and you will receive the same.

[Carlybee]

Don't know those clubs. Nor have I ever joined a club. I have known Hells Angels,,Outlaws and Iron Horsemen,, and a few smaller clubs.

and if you $#@! with them you can expect it to not be tolerated. Don't $#@! with them,, treat them fairly and you will receive the same.

No..sometimes you don't even have to fck with them. Sometimes you can just be in the same room and look at them wrong. There are some mean SOBs in the Bandidos. At least from my 30 something years of observances and frankly first hand knowledge in this state.

[pcosmar]

The bar went out of its way to openly welcomed these people.

Works well for Sturgis and Daytona.

[William Tell]

Carly is right. Someone moved into my neighborhood a few years ago from the Western part of Texas. He was literally afraid for his life, he said a gang was after him. He was all secretive, crazy stuff.

I have never had a personal problem with bikers either, great guys for the most part. But some of these gangs and dudes are not freaking kosher.

[William Tell]

Works well for Sturgis and Daytona.

I don't think you get the point, crazy crap had already been going on there. Management did not care, people in the area saw something like this coming.

[presence]

Works well for Sturgis and Daytona.

Myrtle Beach has a whole bike week.... and 2nd black biker week.

[tod evans]

I don't think you get the point, crazy crap had already been going on there. Management did not care, people in the area saw something like this coming.

Is it youngsters or have you noticed the graybeards too?

[Valli6]

Okay, I'm from a different part of the country, but I'm having a hard time believing this is a real incident and not just part of some idiotic "training exercise" - or an act contrived to sway public opinion about how badly we need the government protecting us. Have they released any names of the dead, or people who've been arrested? Where are the mug shots? Why am I seeing pictures of all these dad-looking bikers sitting in a row, clean and uncuffed?


Texans, have there been media-reported events of similar violence between these groups before - on an ongoing or occasional basis? Or is this spectacular incident the first shoot-out of it's kind in recent history?

[presence]

I'm having a hard time believing this is a real incident and not just part of some idiotic "training exercise" - or

an act contrived to sway public opinion

about how badly we need the government protecting us.

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my gut says the untold tale is that the 9 dead were shot-by-cop

my gut says that the men in blue who looked over the barrel of their gun and drew blood will never speak or be called upon

my gut says there would have been fewer casualties without the cops present; a brawl would have stayed a brawl

Sgt. Swanton said members of gangs, which he didn’t name, fired at each other, and then shot at police. Officers returned fire, possibly wounding or killing gang members. The dead and injured are all believed to be gang members, he said.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/police-s...ngs-1431899839

[pcosmar]

Okay, I'm from a different part of the country, but I'm having a hard time believing this is a real incident and not just part of some idiotic "training exercise" - or an act contrived to sway public opinion about how badly we need the government protecting us. Have they released any names of the dead, or people who've been arrested? Where are the mug shots? Why am I seeing pictures of all these dad-looking bikers sitting in a row, clean and uncuffed?


Texans, have there been media-reported events of similar violence between these groups before - on an ongoing or occasional basis? Or is this spectacular incident the first shoot-out of it's kind in recent history?

The only prior incident I have heard of was a fight between a couple that involved a knife,, and a stabbing.

That was a couple years ago.

[specsaregood]

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[pcosmar]

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I have seen that speculation elsewhere.. Coincides with an Open Carry event?
Not sure,, The only side of the story is the Cops. (as reported by a dutiful media)

[Carlybee]

Okay, I'm from a different part of the country, but I'm having a hard time believing this is a real incident and not just part of some idiotic "training exercise" - or an act contrived to sway public opinion about how badly we need the government protecting us. Have they released any names of the dead, or people who've been arrested? Where are the mug shots? Why am I seeing pictures of all these dad-looking bikers sitting in a row, clean and uncuffed?


Texans, have there been media-reported events of similar violence between these groups before - on an ongoing or occasional basis? Or is this spectacular incident the first shoot-out of it's kind in recent history?

First I've heard of something like this. I suspect the dead were shot by cops too. I have heard of things that happen between hardcore bikers out of the public eye but it's generally a one off of someone ending up dead and no one really knows who did it.

[pcosmar]

First I've heard of something like this. I suspect the dead were shot by cops too.

This is why I have been looking for any video..
and reportedly the Cops are confiscating any.

I wonder if any bikers fired any shots at all.

[Carlybee]

This is why I have been looking for any video..
and reportedly the Cops are confiscating any.

I wonder if any bikers fired any shots at all.

Hard to say..how long had they been there..was alcohol involved...was there bad blood going on before they got there? Lot of variables.

[pcosmar]

Lots I don't know,, about this story and others.

Two things I know.

1. Cops Lie. and media reports those lies as if they were true.

2. Media does not report what anyone described as Criminal Scum has to say.

I would like to see video of what exactly transpired.

[pcosmar]

Hard to say..how long had they been there..was alcohol involved...was there bad blood going on before they got there? Lot of variables.

Yes it is.. But I an not inclined to take the word of Known lairs on it.

Could be a lot of things.
Reconciliation and cooperation between former rivals.. and a peaceful gathering. (can't have that)
A minor altercation,, escalated by police actions.

and perhaps it was one guy shooting another in some ongoing feud.

I expect Media will not investigate or report anything but the official line.

and any Cellphone video evidence will be disposed of.

[tod evans]

Scrubbed interwebs are telling........

[presence]

Media will not investigate or report anything but the official line.

Cellphone video evidence will be disposed of.

agreed

[pcosmar]

Scrubbed interwebs are telling........

You noticed that too.