Apparently it isn't possible for you to make a single post without using the word "you." Is that correct?Originally Posted by twomp
The Middle Class must die. There's only room for rich (government/party loyalists) and poor (government dependents.)
Moving goalposts. The original assertion was that there's nothing wrong in Venezuela except a few stores were short on bread and sometimes a couple of medicines.
And we won't find pictures of Middle Class Americans picking through the garbage for food because the grocery store doesn't have any vegetables on the shelves.
IF you were so hip to world events, only watching the cool kidznews or whatever, then for the love of $#@!ing God, why weren't you bitching about my posts for the last 4 years as I was pointing out the socialist country of Venezuela was economically unraveling and people were dying?
Did your posts coincide with the Fox News propaganda going on during the same time? The Venezuela propaganda has been going on for a long time now. The US government doesn't like it when the heads of other governments don't listen to them and so they start a propaganda campaign against those governments. Which is why you see news about a "humanitarian crisis" in Venezuela and not one about South Sudan. Fox News and the MSM barely even mention Yemen and what is happening there is much worse than in Venezuela.
It is useful though to get people like YOU to support intervention. YOU all are such humanitarians after all.
A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.
There is no moving goal posts. YOU and your fellow Fox News watchers said that they are "starving to death" in Venezuela and I asked for proof of that outside of the MSM propaganda. The MSM uses the term "humanitarian crisis" as justification for regime change. It happens over and over. So I will ask you the same, if they are "starving to death" in Venezuela as you claim they are, please show us the social media posts of people saying, "they are gonna die tomorrow and they already ate their pet so please help." I mean if they are "starving to death" then there should be plenty of posts like that correct?
As for your comment about "years of posts", they coincide with government propaganda do they not? Or did you fly to Venezuela and document this yourself?
Last edited by twomp; 02-04-2019 at 01:52 PM.
A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.
So every single journalist on the planet, from both the right and the left...in every language (Spanish, French, Japanese, Dutch, German, etc) is part of some big plot to undermine the socialist regime of Maduro by spending the last 5 years fabricating stories or something something something.
Just...wow.
Interesting though - the death rate in third world Sudan is falling while the death rate in Venezuela is rising. Thanks for making me look that up. It just confirms my beliefs that socialism is evil, as are the people who defend it.
I think the MSM propaganda is that they are breaking into the zoos to eat the animals.
You are HILRARIOUS!! South Sudan and Sudan are different countries LMAO!!!So every single journalist on the planet, from both the right and the left...in every language (Spanish, French, Japanese, Dutch, German, etc) is part of some big plot to undermine the socialist regime of Maduro by spending the last 5 years fabricating stories or something something something.
Just...wow.
Interesting though - the death rate in third world Sudan is falling while the death rate in Venezuela is rising. Thanks for making me look that up. It just confirms my beliefs that socialism is evil, as are the people who defend it.
A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.
One of the fallouts of the explosion of and revelation of MSM being fake news is that it is hard to find a reliable source. In the case of Venezuela, it is made even harder by the fact that neocons are driving the agenda in the US right now. Known liars (neocons), putting out propaganda via fake news MSM. Is it true? You never know. Didn’t the boy who cried wolf eventually get eaten by a wolf?
What is true? It’s very believable that many people are suffering and store shelves are empty in a collapsing, hyper-inflating, state centrally planned economy. The elite and party members never starve, so it must be the poor. I’d guess that when the middle class starts being squeezed, they find a way to leave. Hasn’t there been a mass exodus?
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You got suckered by Fox News into supporting yet another regime change operation and now you are declaring anyone who opposes yet another US led regime change effort of being a commie. What you are doing is not new. Same old neocon game plan.So every single journalist on the planet, from both the right and the left...in every language (Spanish, French, Japanese, Dutch, German, etc) is part of some big plot to undermine the socialist regime of Maduro by spending the last 5 years fabricating stories or something something something.
Just...wow.
Interesting though - the death rate in third world Sudan is falling while the death rate in Venezuela is rising. Thanks for making me look that up. It just confirms my beliefs that socialism is evil, as are the people who defend it.
A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.
A terrible economy is a far cry from mass starvation ("starving to death") which is the term being used to justify yet another regime change operation.
A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.
The people on the margins will starve.
Seems to me that a couple of weeks ago, thousands of Americans were going to starve because they missed a paycheck during the government shutdown. I’d imagine that poor people in Venezuela have it a bit worse than that.
"Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
"Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
"Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
"Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
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The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.
FFS - Let's clear something up right now. I don't watch Fox News. Please put that factoid on the super long list of $#@! that isn't real but you are going to believe anyway no matter if it's true or not.
IF I had flown to Venezuela and documented it myself, I suspect that would not be sufficient evidence either. To answer your question, no I did not fly to Venezuela. I have, however, been relearning my Spanish and hanging out in some Venezuelan forums and listening to people who live there. In addition, my next door neighbor's brother is married to a native Venezuelan, and she provides news as well.
There were plenty of PLEASE HELP posts in the internet community from Venezuelas who were starving and/or needed medicine or staples. I didn't participate because I wasn't convinced that every post was legitimate. My afore-mentioned neighbor used to hide food in packages she mailed to her family there. But as the crisis worsened, it became a futile effort because the government postal workers began stealing all the mail.
I got it all, dude. I have about a decade of empirical evidence, I have first and second hand anecdotal evidence. I have pictures, songs, stories, blog posts, video, professional journalism. Sources like FEE, Mises, Stossel, and Reason.
Apparently there's absolutely no way to break through the cognitive dissonance though.
Yes, virtually every single journalist in the every language also bought into the WMD lie leading up to the Iraqi war. So lets not pretend that this is something that is unheard of in the world of journalism.So virtually every single journalist on the planet, from both the right and the left...in every language (Spanish, French, Japanese, Dutch, German, etc) is part of some big plot to undermine the socialist regime of Maduro by spending the last 5 years fabricating stories or something something something.
Just...wow.
Interesting though - the death rate in third world Sudan is falling while the death rate in Venezuela is rising. Thanks for making me look that up. It just confirms my beliefs that socialism is evil, as are the people who defend it.
South Sudan just got done fighting a civil war, Venezuela is in the mist of a real war with the biggest military and economic power in the world. It makes sense for death rate to be falling in one and be rising in the other one.
At this point, because I have already explained that I do not watch Fox News, I do not support a military intervention, and have not received anything even remotely resembling any contrary evidence to the endless links I have politely provided to support my position, I am going to stop responding to anything you say that includes "FOX NEWS" and "YOU!"
So, bye. Have a nice life.
We finally agree. You are right, there is no way to break through the cognitive dissonance. You seem to think that this regime change operation is different from any other regime change operation done by the US government. Saddam Hussein and Gadafi were bad men too. It is standard procedure to use "humanitarian crisis" to advocate for regime change. You act like you are advocating something new.
A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.
Again, logic isn't your strong point. It is not true that all journalists bought into the Iraq War propaganda. Many of the journalists who spoke out against it have been documenting the crisis in Venezuela.
And, no, it doesn't make sense for the death rate in Sudan to be falling while it rises in Venezuela, because Venezuela isn't at war with anybody except it self.
Pick one, Che.
Capitalism is evil, and Venezuela is right to fight it by starving the citizens (but not the government)!
or
Venezuela citizens are starving because there's not enough capitalism.
Bye. Don't feel too bad YOU aren't the only "FOX NEWS" viewer to have been manipulated by the media into supporting regime change.
A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.
Sudan and South Sudan are 2 different countries. Why don't you look up the death rate in South Sudan?
A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.
FOr Heavens Sakes.
Read some of the stories out there. It isn't the people on the margins - it's the entire middle class.
Fox News said so!
A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.
Option C - United States led regime change via Juan Guiado
A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.
Ofc you used a strawman by saying every singe journalist is framing Venezuela when in fact many journalist have actually exposed the US hand in the crisis. And nobody every suggested that every single journalist is in on it. And then you compare the rate which is very relative death rate to somehow critcize Venezuela. Rate falls after a big war, it is just how the world works. And please go tell tell the Iraqis who saw 500k infants die under US sanctions that it was fight a war against itself and sanctions don't kill. Economic sanctions by a country like the US and its partners can fell like war.
These people are been in a tug of war with the US since Chavez won his election. End the sanctions tomorrow and see how situations start to improve. Its not socialism, its the sanctions and threat of invasion that is suffocating and starving the people.
Venezuela is suffering but some of the stories about the suffering have been pure propaganda. We are led to believe that these people are starving so bad to the point that they are breaking into zoos to kill the animal for food and yet we see pictures of emaciated animals on the street not being eaten. Something doesn't computed
Last edited by juleswin; 02-04-2019 at 02:36 PM.
This isn't a new thing. Starving Venezuelans isn't a neocon lie. Here is thread I made two years ago about starvation in Venezuela. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...tor2+venezuela
The Communist apologia in this thread is mind blowing.
The neocons create propaganda against any government that doesn't bow down to them. The Venezuela propaganda has been going on for years now. The link you posted is an example of that. Why talk about starvation in Venezuela but not in South Sudan? The answer is that they want regime change in Venezuela not because they care about the Venezuelan people but because they want someone they can control (see Juan Guiado).
Anyone who opposes this regime change is a heartless, freedom hating, commie lover. (see your post)
A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.
But you are those things. No freedom loving person can support the Maduro regime.
Freedom loving people don't support Marxist dictators and they don't morally equate Marxist dictators with US presidents. The failure of Marxism isn't a neocon plot. It happens all on its own.
Yeah and if you didn't support regime change in Iraq, then you are a Suddam Hussein supporter and if you didn't support regime change in Libya then you are a Gadafi supporter, and if you didn't support regime change in Syria then you are an Assad supporter.
Same neocon argument different country. Try again neocon.
A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.
It is possible to philosophically support the locals in overthrowing an evil tyrant without supporting US intervention, you and your fellow travelers are attempting to portray support for Maduro as the only alternative to support for US intervention.
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Supporting the locals like the locals in Libya that were trying to throw Gadafi and the locals in Syria that were trying to over throw Assad? When the "locals" are supported by the US government, it's called foreign intervention. (See Juan Guiado)
A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.
Maduro is not Assad or even Gadafi and the US government shouldn't be supporting Guaido.
Supporting Maduro is immoral.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
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Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
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I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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