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    Exclamation Get ready ladies, progressivism's next cause: sex with losers to "share the wealth"

    Our perilous sexual moment

    http://theweek.com/articles/772276/p...-sexual-moment

    Shikha Dalmia

    May 10, 2018

    We all need more freedom to openly discuss — and engage in — sex. Instead, we all too often pounce on provocative opinions and hem in what is deemed "acceptable" bounds of debate. This is a shame.

    Consider the rhetorical maelstrom created when George Mason University economist Robin Hanson recently suggested that the Toronto attack — in which a self-described incel (an involuntary celibate) mowed down 10 pedestrians — shows that we should worry not just about income inequality, but also the sexual inequality that is leaving too many men sexually frustrated. Hanson, whose blog Overcoming Bias is dedicated to raising uncomfortable questions that cut against ingrained thinking, mused that "cultural elites" might consider "redistribution" schemes that could help incels get a fair share of the action.

    This was a provocative suggestion, no doubt. But Hanson wasn't really serious about it. He is a libertarian, after all, so talk of "redistribution" was more in the vein of a thought experiment. Still, many people were understandably offended by even the hint of a suggestion that men are "owed" sex, or that this particular man was somehow justified in his violence because of some societal failure to keep his sexual drive satiated. This was, after all, the second instance of incel violence in four years.

    But almost everyone reacted poorly.

    Liberals roundly pilloried Hanson. Slate's Jordan Weissman called him "America's creepiest economist," before doing an entirely tendentious interview with him with the aim of exposing Hanson as a nutjob. Wonkette's Robyn Pennacchia accused Hanson of "singing the songs of horny men." Motherboard's Samantha Cole declared that Hanson really wants "women to f--k violent men."

    Such high dudgeon does little to advance the cause of mutual sexual understanding among men and women. The fact of the matter is that although the sexual revolution offered the possibility of more sexual fulfillment, it also produced new frustrations and challenges.

    The New York Times' Ross Douthat, who defended Hanson (and came in for a heap of criticism as a result), rightly pointed out that the "Hefnerian" ethos that the revolution generated has made the "frequency and variety in sexual experience" the "summum bonum of the human condition." This might work for the "beautiful and rich and socially adept in new ways." However, it poses special problems for people who lack sexual draw and confidence.

    Many feminists consider any discussion of the innate differences between male and female sexuality verboten. But it is hard to deny that evolution has wired the two sexes differently when it comes to sex. The qualitative sexual experience of men and women might be similar. But, by and large, as evolutionary psychologist Diana Fleischman points out, men tend to desire more sexual partners, need to know someone for less time before wanting to have sex with them, and have lower standards for sexual liaison. By contrast, women tend to be more discerning and discriminating (because they bear the brunt of producing offspring).

    The sexual openness of today's liberated women often means that men's more easily stimulated sexuality is constantly triggered. However, social norms still put the onus on men to approach women and open themselves to rejection. The combination of heightened desire and increased risk from assertive women adds up to constant inner anxiety for many young, inexperienced men venturing into the sexual world. This doesn't mean that incels are right or owed, or that sex actually ought to be redistributed, or that incels are the "real" victims here. Indeed, incel forums can be dark and degraded places where misogyny and violent rhetoric often runs amuck. But ferocious and reflexive demonization from the left isn't helping matters. It is still necessary to understand the root cause of these new sexual pathologies.

    Now, none of this exonerates conservatives, of course.

    All too many social conservatives want to shut down pornography, tighten controls on prostitution, and restore puritanical norms from a time when men and women could only try to meet their sexual needs within the confines of life-long matrimony. This obviously should not (and will not) happen, if for no other reason than it traps too many couples in emotionally and sexually dead marriages.

    The trouble with the sexual revolution isn't that it happened, but that it was incomplete. The problem is not that sex has been over commodified as hardline feminists and conservatives (talk about strange bedfellows!) like to assert; the problem is that it hasn't been commodified enough. The sexual industry in the broadest sense hasn't matured enough yet to cater to the myriad and diverse needs of lonely single people (of both sexes). Where are the Dr. Ruths for single people facing confidence issues or looking for advice? Is it really a surprise that young men turn to each other for solace in the deep recesses of the dark web — and that the result is often very ugly?

    Progressivism's promise is to move toward social arrangements that increase the number of winners and diminish the number of losers. But until we achieve a utopia where everyone wins, we'll have to figure out ways to offer relief to the losers.

    This will require liberals to start taking the plight of people like the incels seriously, and stop penalizing intellectual mavericks like Hanson who have the nerve speak up on their behalf. And it will require conservatives to stop romanticizing an imperfect past and look for viable solutions that don't involve turning back the clock.
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    This is why we shouldn't make jokes that give them ideas.
    I can't wait to see the left tear itself to pieces over this though.
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    "Incel" didn't take off quite like they thought it would. Lol.

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    The trouble with the sexual revolution isn't that it happened, but that it was incomplete. The problem is not that sex has been over commodified as hardline feminists and conservatives (talk about strange bedfellows!) like to assert; the problem is that it hasn't been commodified enough.
    Modernism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    "Incel" didn't take off quite like they thought it would. Lol.
    This is what trolling is really about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is what trolling is really about.


    Accelerating the decline isn't ideal, but there you have it.

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    And here I thought that the whole "redistribution" thought experiment was simply an anology for all of the other situations where progressives want to redistribute something. For example, if having a Doctor and Nurse on demand for free is a "right", then how is prostitution different and not a "right"? And if money needs to be redistributed from the privileged few to the less financially adept, is it not the same redistribution concept?

    But never mind, this thought experiment will never work, as the sex part is just too irresistible to everyone who feels the desire to comment (or be triggered).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post


    Accelerating the decline isn't ideal, but there you have it.
    What the....? SMDH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    "Incel" didn't take off quite like they thought it would. Lol.
    Nobody knows what it means by looking at it. They need a better term. CBB. (Chronic blue balls).
    9/11 Thermate experiments

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    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Is it really a surprise that young men turn to each other for solace in the deep recesses of the dark web — and that the result is often very ugly?
    LOL. Is that an intentional double entendres, or was it accidental?
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    Yep and 4chan isn't "dark web". MSM once again exposed relevant only to grandparents and people who listen to npr.

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    This is a trap . Leftest woman are generally so hideous no sane person would want to breed with them . They have to rely on converting more attractive women to communism and this ploy will make it easier than that .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    What the....? SMDH!

    collective memory becomes shallower by the hour

    Just look how many topics pop up here in a day about the same $#@!. Imagine a bigger hub with real traffic...
    Last edited by Raginfridus; 05-14-2018 at 10:37 PM.

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    Sharing is caring.

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    The left will try to make "Right to Sex" an actual right, despite it infringing on the right of the person required to give the sex.

    Lets say for a second they get what they want. It will end up just like money. We promise more sex for everyone and oh look at that, even fewer people have sex now! So, anyone remember the Trigglypuff video? Would anyone want sex with that? Three words for ya, $#@! NO.
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    Communal ownership of women was long a part of the communist program, from the earliest communist groups in the 15th century.

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    The next step will be a government run selective breeding program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The next step will be a government run selective breeding program.
    The Handmaids Tale:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Handmaid's_Tale

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    Yeah, no. That's what gay guys are for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The next step will be a government run selective breeding program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    But it won't be "EVIL" conservative fundamentalists running it, it will be "Enlightened" "Liberal" "Technocrats" creating the "perfect" race for the collective good.
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    Government should just make sex robots, problem solved.

    Only question is which department should run the program. Maybe IRS
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    But it won't be "EVIL" conservative fundamentalists running it, it will be "Enlightened" "Liberal" "Technocrats" creating the "perfect" race for the collective good.
    Whatever that means.

    +rep.

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    This also makes me contemplate spousal alimony or support as ordered by a judge or jury during a divorce. If one individual is forced to work to provide alimony to another individual wouldn't that be considered slavery? An example, a man is force by the order of the court to provide his ex-wife $500 a month so that his ex can continue to live a life she has been accustomed to living. This happens all over the United States and is usually accepted even though we are talking about, essentially, court ordered servitude to the ex under threat of imprisonment. If the man in my example fails to work to bring in money to pay his ex, then he'll end up in jail at some point. This situation isn't really any different than the relationship between a pimp and a hooker. The pimp, ie ex-wife, tells the hooker, ie ex-husband, to go out and work and bring the pimp back their money so the pimp can continue to live a life they are accustomed to.

    I know you are probably wondering why I'm bring this up in this thread regarding progressivism towards sexual entitlements but allow me to explain.

    If a Judge is going to force the ex-husband to work against his will to provide money to the ex-wife so she can live the life she's accustomed to, theoretically the Judge could also force the ex-wife to provide sex to the ex-husband so he could enjoy the life he's accustomed to. With spousal alimony, one spouse is forced into physical labor against their will to provide a benefit to the other spouse for a certain length of time. If the ex-husband is forced to pay $500 a month in alimony and he makes $10 an hour, then he is forced to work 50 hours a month in servitude to his ex-wife. Theoretically then, the ex-husband could also request that the Judge order the ex-wife to provide him with a certain number of times to have sex with him.

    - ML

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Landon View Post
    This also makes me contemplate spousal alimony or support as ordered by a judge or jury during a divorce. If one individual is forced to work to provide alimony to another individual wouldn't that be considered slavery? An example, a man is force by the order of the court to provide his ex-wife $500 a month so that his ex can continue to live a life she has been accustomed to living. This happens all over the United States and is usually accepted even though we are talking about, essentially, court ordered servitude to the ex under threat of imprisonment. If the man in my example fails to work to bring in money to pay his ex, then he'll end up in jail at some point. This situation isn't really any different than the relationship between a pimp and a hooker. The pimp, ie ex-wife, tells the hooker, ie ex-husband, to go out and work and bring the pimp back their money so the pimp can continue to live a life they are accustomed to.

    I know you are probably wondering why I'm bring this up in this thread regarding progressivism towards sexual entitlements but allow me to explain.

    If a Judge is going to force the ex-husband to work against his will to provide money to the ex-wife so she can live the life she's accustomed to, theoretically the Judge could also force the ex-wife to provide sex to the ex-husband so he could enjoy the life he's accustomed to. With spousal alimony, one spouse is forced into physical labor against their will to provide a benefit to the other spouse for a certain length of time. If the ex-husband is forced to pay $500 a month in alimony and he makes $10 an hour, then he is forced to work 50 hours a month in servitude to his ex-wife. Theoretically then, the ex-husband could also request that the Judge order the ex-wife to provide him with a certain number of times to have sex with him.

    - ML
    I never understood why a man would pay for sex.

    I guess the only reason to get married now a days is to have children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I never understood why a man would pay for sex.

    I guess the only reason to get married now a days is to have children.
    No reason you should feel you have to get married to have children . You would be allowed to give the child to my tribe to raise . I will make sure the child is brought up to be a Great Warrior and be allowed to serve in my personal militia .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    No reason you should feel you have to get married to have children . You would be allowed to give the child to my tribe to raise . I will make sure the child is brought up to be a Great Warrior and be allowed to serve in my personal militia .
    Deal.

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    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Deal.

    How many squaws would you trade for a horse?
    You may be able to get squaws from a european for a horse . They eat them .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I guess the only reason to get married now a days is to have children.
    And the second income.
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