Is President Trump selling out his base and embracing illegal immigration?

[johnwk]

Last night, President Trump, contrary to a number of fake news reports earlier in the day, did not indicate he may have more compassion for those who have invaded America’s borders than he has for American Citizens who have be made into tax slaves to support the economic needs of millions of foreigners who have invaded America’s borders, and are suffering the devastating effects of illegal immigration.

And just what are some of the devastating effects inflicted upon American citizens by illegal entrants? Aside from the criminal element which Trump seems to be genuinely concerned over and wants to address, millions of good paying jobs in the construction trades and other industries have been taken by illegal entrants who work off the books, below the going wage, and do not pay taxes on their eared wages. In addition, a considerable number of our nation’s emergency rooms have been bankrupted by illegal entrants. In Florida, nearly “one-third of Bethesda Hospital East’s 2,900 births each year are paid for by Emergency Medicaid, the category that covers mainly illegal immigrants.” See: How Undocumented Immigrants Sometimes Receive Medicaid Treatment


The article also points out “A 2007 medical article in the Journal of the American Medical Association reported that 99 percent of those who used Emergency Medicaid during a four-year period in North Carolina were thought to be illegal immigrants.”

Indeed, President Trump seems to have made the connection between the high cost of Medicaid and both illegal and legal immigration.

In addition, how many of our local schools have been overwhelmed and financially destroyed trying to keep up with the massive influx of both legal and illegal immigration? See Chelsea Schools Overwhelmed By Sudden Influx Of Immigrant Students:

June 24, 2014

”CHELSEA (CBS) – The national immigration crisis on the United States’ southern border is now impacting Massachusetts.

Tens of thousands of children have come across the border on their own in the past year. Many of them are now finding their way to communities around Boston.

Chelsea is ground zero for this wave of children, many undocumented immigrants, coming from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala.

“There’s been a dramatic increase for us from January of this year through the closing of schools which was last week,” says Chelsea Schools Superintendent Dr. Mary Bourque.”


Those who advocate legalizing the millions of illegal entrants who are now here so they can “come out of the shadows and pay taxes”, are in effect giving their nod of approval to the current devastating effects which these illegal entrants have, and are now, inflicting upon American citizens. This group would still, by-and large, if given legal status, be subsidized by American Citizens, they would still be working jobs which have been taken from American Citizens, their children would still be overwhelming our public schools and Emergency Rooms and Medicaid, and American Citizens would still be made into tax slaves to support the economic needs of this group which has invaded America’s borders.

Keep in mind the next time you hear that we need “comprehensive immigration reform,” that is code for screw American Citizens and ignore the Constitution and the rule of law.

JWK



American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax slaves and forced to finance the personal economic needs of millions of foreigners who have invaded America’s borders.

[dean.engelhardt]

We will soon forget about this when he introduces Universal Healthcare.

[Superfluous Man]

millions of good paying jobs in the construction trades and other industries have been taken by illegal entrants who work off the books, below the going wage, and do not pay taxes on their eared wages.

Are you being serious?

[johnwk]

Are you being serious?

The facts are what they are!

JWK



There was a time not too long ago in New York when able-bodied people were ashamed to accept home relief, a program created by Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1931 when he was Governor. Now these ticks and fleas not only demand welfare, but use it to buy beer, wine, drugs and Lotto tickets.

[Superfluous Man]

The facts are what they are!

But you talk about them taking jobs like it's a bad thing.

[Madison320]

millions of good paying jobs in the construction trades and other industries have been taken by illegal entrants who work off the books, below the going wage, and do not pay taxes on their eared wages.

This may come as a shock to you but businesses exist to make a profit.

[Madison320]

But you talk about them taking jobs like it's a bad thing.

I agree.

This socialist, "down with the employer up, with the worker" crap gets annoying. Especially on this forum.

[showpan]

But you talk about them taking jobs like it's a bad thing.

It's not a bad thing....if you are a corporate billionaires transferring the country's wealth to yourself. Immigration is a just another tool used to artificially manipulate (lower) wages.

[undergroundrr]

It's not a bad thing....if you are a corporate billionaires transferring the country's wealth to yourself. Immigration is a just another tool used to artificially manipulate (lower) wages.

Why would that be artificial? And can I assume you also favor a minimum wage increase?

[showpan]

This may come as a shock to you but businesses exist to make a profit.

This may come as a shock to you, but business would not exist without workers

[Superfluous Man]

It's not a bad thing....if you are a corporate billionaires transferring the country's wealth to yourself. Immigration is a just another tool used to artificially manipulate (lower) wages.

You say that like you think it's a bad thing.

Am I in some kind of Twilight Zone where the Ron Paul forums turned into the Bernie Sanders forums?

[Superfluous Man]

This may come as a shock to you, but business would not exist without workers

A minute ago the problem was that there are too many workers.

Which is it?

[showpan]

Why would that be artificial? And can I assume you also favor a minimum wage increase?

It's an obvious manipulation of wages. More workers for less jobs equals lower pay. In economics, we call that supply and demand. And please do not EVER assume anything from me again thank you. It's a distraction to gain attention for yourself.

[showpan]

You say that like you think it's a bad thing.

Am I in some kind of Twilight Zone where the Ron Paul forums turned into the Bernie Sanders forums?

Am I in some kind of twilight zone where the Ron Paul forum has turned into the neocon zoone

[Superfluous Man]

More workers for less jobs equals lower pay. In economics, we call that supply and demand.

Exactly.

So, why call the simple working of the laws of economics "manipulation"?

There's no need to assume anything. You're putting your views on display all by yourself.

[Superfluous Man]

Am I in some kind of twilight zone where the Ron Paul forum has turned into the neocon zoone

Please look up what neocon means.

[showpan]

Exactly.

So, why call the simple working of the laws of economics "manipulation"?

There's no need to assume anything. You're putting your views on display all by yourself.

By letting millions of people into a country that has shipped millions of jobs out of the country is ......manipulation.

[undergroundrr]

In economics, we call that supply and demand.

Exactly. You're calling for an artificial manipulation of supply.

[showpan]

Please look up what neocon means.

please take an economics class

[showpan]

Exactly. You're calling for an artificial manipulation of supply.

I'm not the one that wants more immigrants coming here who will work longer hours for considerably lesser pay and no benefits

[undergroundrr]

I'm not the one that wants more immigrants coming here who will work longer hours for considerably lesser pay and no benefits

You're asking for the government to use force to manipulate the labor market. I'm arguing for a free, unmanipulated labor market.

Your stance is for an interventionist market restriction, Bernie Sanders style. Cool if you want to stand by it, but call it what it is.

[Madison320]

I'm not the one that wants more immigrants coming here who will work longer hours for considerably lesser pay and no benefits

Let me 'splain you.

You are under the liberal illusion that the evil business owner has unlimited funds.

Suppose a farmer employs 50 expensive legal workers and 50 cheap illegal ones. If you make him replace the cheap illegal workers with expensive legal ones he's going out of business and we now have 0 jobs. Comprende?

[juleswin]

please take an economics class

You are the one who seems to be in need of an economic lesson. You have to understand that demand and supply are always in a search for an equilibrium point with price. Without manipulation, workers (supply) will stream into areas where demand and price is high until it reaches the equilibrium point. The same happens when prices are too low, workers leave to other areas until where has been balanced out.

Think of a town where unskilled day labourers are earning $25/ hr under the table pay. The news of this extraordinary pay would get out and just about everybody in that town and surrounding area would come out and give the job a try. This would immediately swell the supply for day labourers and the price would continue to go down until some equilibrium point is hit.

Now the manipulation only comes in when there is an artificial barrier for the flow of workers.

[Superfluous Man]

please take an economics class

Are you under the impression that people who take economics classes are likely to come away from them thinking that protectionism is good for the economy?

Have you ever actually taken any? I have.

[pcosmar]

Is President Trump selling out his base?

Is he turning a profit?

His Base is his to sell,,

none of my business.

[showpan]

Let me splain a little something to you. If you have 100 workers making a decent wage while at the same time making a decent profit and then decide that you want more so you can buy a 4th vacation home over seas, you open the border to let 100 workers in who will work for half the pay while displacing the 100 workers who once made enough to buy new cars, TV's and homes. Now since those 100 workers no longer have a job, they need welfare to survive. So you take more taxes from another companies 100 workers to supplement the 100 workers who were replaced by people who are now making half the pay. Meanwhile,, the economy goes to crap since there are now 300 workers who make hardly anything and can't afford to buy new cars, TV's and homes.

Economics 101: without decent paying jobs, we can't afford to buy your Chinese crap that breaks as soon as the warranty is up

[undergroundrr]

Let me splain a little something to you. If you have 100 workers making a decent wage while at the same time making a decent profit and then decide that you want more so you can buy a 4th vacation home over seas, you open the border to let 100 workers in who will work for half the pay while displacing the 100 workers who once made enough to buy new cars, TV's and homes. Now since those 100 workers no longer have a job, they need welfare to survive. So you take more taxes from another companies 100 workers to supplement the 100 workers who were replaced by people who are now making half the pay. Meanwhile,, the economy goes to crap since there are now 300 workers who make hardly anything and can't afford to buy new cars, TV's and homes.

Economics 101: without decent paying jobs, we can't afford to buy your Chinese crap that breaks as soon as the warranty is up

Property Rights 101: I (or you), as a businessman, should be able to "import" 10,000 workers from wherever I want, to work for whatever pay we agree on.

[silverhandorder]

Relax snowflakes he is not selling out his base. He is taking you in for the ride that is all.

[CPUd]

He's definitely taking someone for a ride

[silverhandorder]

Also I think in the interim it is a good thing to focus on rebuilding industry in the country. Losing cheap labor does hurt profits and economy. However you can't ignore voters. As in people who vote just voted for economic protections for them selves. You might as well be upset that we vote.