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  1. #31
    So ISIS is using large quantities of high tech weapons, including high tech missiles provably traced directly back to the U.S.Government, Yet nimrod Nikki Haley is beating the drums of war on Iran because the Yemenis, facing genocide at the hands of US armed and supported Saudi, defended themselves with a missile, the debris of which nimrod Haley alleges has Iran's "fingerprints."
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    Some US weapons that ISIS got were captured from abandoned Iraqi bases. Many others were from FSA militants (mostly Al-Qaeda and friends) who ended up joining ISIS after being supplied by the US. And I imagine some weapons were supplied directly to ISIS, as even the official stance of David Petraeus was "we should arm Al-Qaeda." Who even knows for sure what the behind-the-scenes strategy was with regards to the Syrian gov. opposition. But whatever it was, it wasn't good.

    That really was a new theory from swordsmyth though. Obama founded ISIS in 2006 as a senator? It would be reasonable to suggest that under his administration, ISIS was being directly armed to fight against Assad. But to say that OBAMA HIMSELF created ISIS in 2006... that's a whole new level of idiocy



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    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    Some US weapons that ISIS got were captured from abandoned Iraqi bases. Many others were from FSA militants (mostly Al-Qaeda and friends) who ended up joining ISIS after being supplied by the US. And I imagine some weapons were supplied directly to ISIS, as even the official stance of David Petraeus was "we should arm Al-Qaeda." Who even knows for sure what the behind-the-scenes strategy was with regards to the Syrian gov. opposition. But whatever it was, it wasn't good.

    That really was a new theory from swordsmyth though. Obama founded ISIS in 2006 as a senator? It would be reasonable to suggest that under his administration, ISIS was being directly armed to fight against Assad. But to say that OBAMA HIMSELF created ISIS in 2006... that's a whole new level of idiocy
    I said he was involved, I said McCain should get the title "founding father" of ISIS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I said he was involved, I said McCain should get the title "founding father" of ISIS.
    So Mccain traveled to Syria in 2013 to meet with anti-Assad fighters, so he's the founding father of one such group that may or may not have been represented at the meeting. Is THAT what you are referring to, or in 2006 did Senator Mccain directly found ISIS as well? Where can I find some more information about this 2006 ISIS founding? I'm genuinely interested

  7. #35
    Expensive and sophisticated weapons don’t just fall into one hands. Plus the training to effectively use them.

    An ISIS propaganda video released in June 2015, after the capture of the Syrian city of Palmyra, revealed militants targeting Syrian government forces with U.S.-made BGM-71 TOW anti-tank missiles. One year later, the same missiles, allegedly fired by U.S.-backed Syrian rebels, were used to down a Russian Mi-25 assault helicopter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Expensive and sophisticated weapons don’t just fall into one hands. Plus the training to effectively use them.

    Yep. People like the ZippyJuan Group act like someone found a BB gun laying around in somebody's basement.
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    The 2011 outbreak of civil war in Syria presented Al Qaeda in Iraq with an opportunity to fill a vacuum in a “failed state.” [how was it failed?] It expanded operations into Syria, rebranding itself as ISIS. It proclaimed itself to be the champion of Syria’s Sunni Arab majority against the Assad “regime” [sometimes called a “government “], a secular dictatorship which was dominated by the minority Alawite sect.

    Supporting resistence against Asad. Why not call him the founder then?
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  10. #38
    Weapons Went From The CIA To ISIS In Less Than Two Months
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-1...-study-reveals


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    The extensive report confirms what former MI6 spy and British diplomat Alastair Crooke once stated - that the CIA established the basis of a “jihadi Wal-Mart” of sorts - to which ISIS had immediate and easy access. Crooke noted that the weapons program was set up with "plausible deniability" in mind, which would allow its American intelligence sponsors to be shielded from any potential future legal prosecution or public embarrassment. Crooke noted in a 2015 BBC interview that, “The West does not actually hand the weapons to al-Qaida, let alone to ISIS…, but the system they’ve constructed leads precisely to that end.”

    This is what enables Buzzfeed, USA Today, and others to report the bombshell findings yet continue to soft peddle the significance by emphasizing things like "weaknesses in oversight and regulation" while also highlighting the "accidental" nature of US-supplied missiles "ending up" in the hands of ISIS terrorists.



    The anti-tank missile recovered from ISIS in February 2016. It originated with the US Army in December 2015.

    the CAR team of experts had already documented the trend of CIA weapons delivered to the Syrian battlefield going to ISIS fighters as early as September of 2014. Beyond this 2014 study, a seemingly endless stream of articles going back years published in independent and international media have underscored the reality of ISIS growing and thriving because of Western and Gulf state covert weapons shipments.

    This means that CIA and government analysts knew full well where the weapons were going in real time, yet continued with the program anyway.

    General Flynn in the summer of 2015, speaking as recently retired military intelligence officer, warned in no uncertain terms that US-supplied weapons in Syria were going to ISIS, al-Qaeda, and other jihadists. This was so well known at the time that it could be openly stated by a retired high ranking official an a major international program. Flynn also said something similar to both Seymour Hersh and the New York Times in 2015.

    But what did the CIA and allied intelligence agencies do? They continued arming the jihadist insurgency in Syria in their efforts to oust Assad. This was indeed "a willful decision" as Flynn affirmed and not mere "weaknesses in oversight and regulation" as Buzzfeed would have us believe.

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  11. #39
    More great posting and research from AZJoe and Goldenequity. These guys cut right to it. +reps.
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    Conspiracy Theorists Were Right: Corporate Media Finally Forced to Admit America Armed ISIS
    A new investigation has concluded that 97 percent of the weapons used by the Islamic State were supplied illegally by the U.S. and Saudi Arabia.


    By
    Rachel Blevins
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    December 15, 2017





    While the mainstream media opted to protect the United States government by treating anyone who dared to question the government’s role in the rise of ISIS as crazy conspiracy theorists, a new report is forcing the MSM to admit that those “conspiracies” were true all along.


    Now, mainstream media outlets such as Reuters and USA Today are suddenly reporting that the United States and its close ally, Saudi Arabia, were instrumental in supplying weapons and ammunition to ISIS. Both reports cite an investigation conducted by Conflict Armament Research (CAR), which looked at 40,000 items recovered from Islamic State militants between July 2014 and November 2017.


    A final report from CAR titled “Weapons of the Islamic State,” concluded that the vast majority of the weapons used by ISIS were supplied in the thousands, given their origin and the fact that they were found “in numbers far beyond those that would have been available to the group through battlefield capture alone.”


    More than 97 percent of the weapons and 87 percent of the ammunition used by ISIS were “Warsaw Pact calibers—originating primarily in China, Russia, and Eastern European producer states,” according to the report. However, the weapons were not distributed to the militants by China or Russia.


    The weapons and ammunition were originally purchased by the United States and Saudi Arabia, and then distributed to rebel groups opposing the administration of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. While the U.S. claimed to be fighting ISIS, the fact is that ISIS was one of the Syrian rebel groups opposing Assad, and as the report noted, nearly all of their weapons came from those purchased by the U.S. and Saudi Arabia.


    “Unauthorized retransfer—the violation of agreements by which a supplier government prohibits the re-export of materiel by a recipient government without its prior consent—is a significant source of IS weapons and ammunition. The United States and Saudi Arabia supplied most of this materiel without authorization, apparently to Syrian opposition forces. This diverted materiel, recovered from IS forces, comprises exclusively Warsaw Pact caliber weapons and ammunition, purchased by the United States and Saudi Arabia from European Union (EU) Member States in Eastern Europe.”

    While the report claims that many of the weapons were intended for other Syrian rebel groups before they ended up in the hands of ISIS militants, it also notes how quickly the transition between groups happened, after the weapons were originally supplied.


    In one case, an advanced anti-tank guided weapon was “manufactured in the EU, sold to the United States, supplied to a party in the Syrian conflict, transferred to IS forces in Iraq, and documented by a CAR field investigation team following its recovery from IS forces.” The report noted that “the full chain of transactions occurred within two months of the weapon’s dispatch from the factory.”


    The serial numbers on the weapons are also crucial in determining how the militants acquired them. According to the report, almost half of the weapons that were investigated featured “serial numbers that are close in sequence to those of other, identical weapons in the sample.” As a result, they found at least “240 sets of weapons that were manufactured in the same production runs and probably exported in the same, or successive, batches.” This suggests that in some cases, the weapons were delivered to the militants by the thousands.


    The report noted that in many cases, the “supplies of materiel into the Syrian conflict” from the U.S. and Saudi Arabia allowed ISIS “to obtain substantial quantities of anti-armor ammunition. These weapons include ATGWs and several varieties of rocket with tandem warheads, which are designed to defeat modern reactive armor.”


    As the investigation by Conflict Armament Research concluded, although the United States and Saudi Arabia both claimed to support coalitions that were formed for the purpose of defeating the Islamic State, the thousands of weapons they were supplying rebel groups did the opposite.


    “These findings are a stark reminder of the contradictions inherent in supplying weapons into armed conflicts in which multiple competing and overlapping non-state armed groups operate. Under such circumstances, it is difficult to exert effective control over which groups ultimately gain custody of weapons. As this report demonstrates, Iraq and Syria have seen IS forces use large numbers of weapons, supplied by states such as Saudi Arabia and the United States, against the various international anti-IS coalitions that the two states support.”


    While the mainstream media has failed to ask questions about some of the most obvious red flags in the United States’ foreign policy, The Free Thought Project has provided in-depth coverage of both the United States’ hypocrisy in the Syrian conflict, and Saudi Arabia’s assistance in helping to strengthen the same group of militants that the two countries claimed to be working to defeat.
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  14. #41
    Where did the @Zippyjuan Group go? Don't they want to discuss the CAR report? They are always telling me to "join the discussion" or "join the conversation." @TheCount does that too.

    Oh, I know; they're off to the next big thread.
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