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I'm not a big fan of this bill. Sacrificing our sovereignty to a transnational body is a bad idea.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
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Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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There just isn't any good way to spin this, and as it isn't Trump poor Rand is screwed here on DT forums.
"The Patriarch"
If it would mean pre-NAFTA it would mean higher tariffs, because NAFTA lowered tariffs.
Everyone is already free to do that; none of this has anything at all to do with sovereignty.We would be perfectly free to set the tariffs anywhere we wanted them or negotiate bi-lateral trade deals.
Every state is free to tax consumption to subsidize coercive labor unions; some of us simply object to that policy.
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Ron Paul said he would potentially support a consumption tax if it replaced the income tax, in whole or in part.
Basically, if taxes go down enough he would vote for it. Making a new tax for the sake of saving 1% is not a good idea, because now they have more ways to tax you and they can just raise it. But if it is a significant enough of an income tax break, then it would be worth it.
Pretty sure if a managed trade deal came along that was exactly the same, but it slashed tariffs by 90%, he would vote for it.
But I guess if you're really desperate to know still you could ask him. I already know the answer.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
"Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
"Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
"Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
"Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
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No lack of henpecking liBROtarians in here I see.
It doesn't need to be explained too many times here that Rand is a Republican, hes not a part-time Republican where any armchair quarterback can tell the GOP to screw off when you feel like it. Its no secret that Rand, has a lot of juggling to do to appease both sides, his staff probably wastes a lot of time figuring out ways not to piss off the other side when he needs to take a stand on something or sit down when the time is right. Some of you don't like it and thats why you will never get to see any of your purist ideologies come to fruition.
If you consider yourself a Libertarian, where is your LP Senator putting out Libertarian votes? Oh there aren't any...because the LP is so purist that they can't get a coalition of supporters to win any relevant election.
Rand didn't have to run and keep this going, he had a fine practice and lived a good life with a good family.
I support Rand 100%, he has a good heart to continue the work that literally nobody else will do or is even capable of doing, and he carries the movement on his shoulders.
All that he gets is a bunch of thankless henpecking from "libertarians" that would like to see Bernie Sanders in the white house for the lolz, and "libertarians" that think Ron Paul is a grotesque embarrassment.
So while you get to enjoy your privacy, families, and sit on the sidelines making stupid commentary...Rand goes to work everyday having to shake hands with people he knows is evil while only getting incremental progress for conservatives at the same time D.C. slides further into the abyss.
THE SQUAD of RPF
1. enhanced_deficit - Paid Troll / John Bolton book promoter
2. Devil21 - LARPing Wizard, fake magical script reader
3. Firestarter - Tax Troll; anti-tax = "criminal behavior"
4. TheCount - Comet Pizza Pedo Denier <-- sick
@Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:
Who spends this much time copy/pasting the same recycled links, photos/talking points.
7 yrs/25k posts later RPF'ers still respond to this troll
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
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Last edited by devil21; 01-17-2020 at 02:55 PM.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
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Last edited by devil21; 01-17-2020 at 02:17 AM.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
I just think the man is a watered down, counterfeit version of Ron. Last week he said the US military liberated Iraq 3x, like what? You will never hear Ron say that sort of rubbish. Don't get me wrong, Rand is OK but he is a party man. Had he been replaced with Ron, this site would never had existed.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Question, do you think Ron would have voted for USMCA? Ron is more of a constitutionalist(not just on this) and Rand is a party pragmatist. This is what the man said when they asked him about the NAU.
This is the sort of talk that bring a movement together. Rand would probably say something lukewarm, middle ground and not harmful to the party. But I do agree with you that he does consider the dictates of the constitution more than the majority of his colleaguesNot only do I not want a North American Union, I want us out of the U.N., the IMF, the World Bank, the WTO, NAFTA and CAFTA. NAFTA has nothing to do for free trade. It’s a pretense to lower tariffs, but it’s a reason to go talk to the WTO to raise tariffs. We need free trade. That’s very, very important. But you don’t get that by world government.
"republican", democrat, independent... If you grow something, make something, want to negotiate/contract/trade... Government WILL find you, no matter where on earth you try to go.
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An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)
The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
I think there is a good chance Ron would have voted for it as well.
It's probably better than what we have, plus it has a sunset clause.
That is one of the more egregious aspects of NAFTA, there was no sunset clause.
Even if USMCA is 1% better than NAFTA, I don't see why Ron Paul would not have voted for it.
Obviously he didn't support NAFTA because it was worse than what we had before NAFTA.
But if this is better than NAFTA, why wouldn't he vote for it?
Like others have said, if taxes are 10% and you vote for taxes to be 8%, that means you support reducing taxes. It doesn't mean you support an 8% tax.
That is an extremely simple concept that almost half this forum fails to grasp.
Last edited by dannno; 01-17-2020 at 09:54 AM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
____________
An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)
The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
If it is better than what we have currently, and it has a sunset clause, then 100% without a doubt he would vote for it.
What possible, logical argument would there be against it?
Did you even read the post you just quoted?
If there is a tax cut, Ron Paul will vote for it. Trolls will say he is voting for a tax, but really he is voting for a tax cut. Exact same issue here, absolutely no difference.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
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