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    Exclamation The Tragedy of Baltimore

    Published in March of this year, in that well known cesspool of white supremacy: The New York Times.


    The Tragedy of Baltimore

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/m...edy-crime.html

    Since Freddie Gray’s death in 2015, violent crime has spiked to levels unseen for a quarter century. Inside the crackup of an American city.

    By Alec MacGillis
    March 12, 2019

    This article is a collaboration between The Times and ProPublica, the independent nonprofit investigative-journalism organization. Sign up here to get ProPublica’s latest investigations.

    On April 27, 2015, Shantay Guy was driving her 13-year-old son home across Baltimore from a doctor’s appointment when something — a rock, a brick, she wasn’t sure what — hit her car. Her phone was turned off, so she had not realized that protests and violence had broken out in the city that afternoon, following the funeral of Freddie Gray, the 25-year-old man who drew national attention eight days earlier when he died after suffering injuries in police custody.

    As she saw what was happening — fires being set, young people and police officers converging on the nearby vortex of the disorder — she pushed her son, Brandon, down in his seat and sped home. “Mom, are we home yet?” Brandon asked when they pulled up at their house just inside the city line, where they lived with Guy’s husband, her grown daughter and her husband’s late-teenage son, brother and sister-in-law.

    “Yeah,” she told him.

    “You’re still holding my head down,” he said.

    Guy grew up in an impoverished, highly segregated part of West Baltimore near what was now the focal point of the street clashes, but she had long since climbed into a different stratum of the city’s society; she was working as an information-technology project manager for T. Rowe Price, the Baltimore-based mutual-fund giant. Seeing her old neighborhood erupt changed her life. After long discussions with her husband, who manages the office of a local trucking company, she quit her job and went to work for a community mediation organization. “It just felt like it was the work I was supposed to be doing,” she said.

    In Baltimore, you can tell a lot about the politics of the person you’re talking with by the word he or she uses to describe the events of April 27, 2015. Some people, and most media outlets, call them the “riots”; some the “unrest.” Guy was among those who always referred to them as the “uprising,” a word that connoted something justifiable and positive: the first step, however tumultuous, toward a freer and fairer city. Policing in Baltimore, Guy and many other residents believed, was broken, with officers serving as an occupying army in enemy territory — harassing African-American residents without cause, breeding distrust and hostility.

    In 2016, the United States Department of Justice’s Civil Rights Division concurred, releasing a report accusing the city’s Police Department of racial discrimination and excessive force. The city agreed to a “consent decree” with the federal government, a set of policing reforms that would be enforced by a federal judge. When an independent monitoring team was selected to oversee the decree, Guy was hired as its community liaison. This was where she wanted to be: at the forefront of the effort to make her city a better place.

    But in the years that followed, Baltimore, by most standards, became a worse place. In 2017, it recorded 342 murders — its highest per-capita rate ever, more than double Chicago’s, far higher than any other city of 500,000 or more residents and, astonishingly, a larger absolute number of killings than in New York, a city 14 times as populous. Other elected officials, from the governor to the mayor to the state’s attorney, struggled to respond to the rise in disorder, leaving residents with the unsettling feeling that there was no one in charge. With every passing year, it was getting harder to see what gains, exactly, were delivered by the uprising.

    One night last October, after Guy and her husband, Da’mon, had gone to bed, Da’mon’s brother banged on the bedroom door. “Yo, yo, get up!” he shouted.

    It was around 11:30 p.m. Da’mon’s 21-year-old son, Da’mon Jr., whom Shantay had helped raise, would ordinarily have been home by then, after his bus ride across town from his evening shift working as a supply coordinator at Johns Hopkins Hospital. But he was nowhere to be seen. Da’mon Sr. rushed to the door and asked what was going on.

    “Dame’s been shot,” his brother said.

    Four months later, I met Guy and Da’mon Jr. at a cafe near my office in the center of the city. Da’mon had recently been released after spending 47 days in the hospital, with 20 surgical procedures. His inferior vena cava, which carries blood from the lower body to the heart, no longer functioned; he had to rely on collateral veins instead. He was trying to go back to work, but swelling in his legs and shortness of breath were making it hard.

    Da’mon told me he had no idea who was behind the shooting, which he surmised was either an attempted robbery or a gang initiation. It was unnerving, he said, knowing the shooter was still out there somewhere. “I don’t like it when cars slow down to me or people are staring at me too long at stop signs,” he said. “Any one of y’all could be that person. You never know.”

    But Guy, somehow, had come through the experience even more committed to the cause she had signed on for. “Our city needs restoration,” she told me.

    It takes remarkable fortitude to remain an optimist about Baltimore today. I have lived in the city for 11 of the past 18 years, and for the last few I have struggled to describe its unraveling to friends and colleagues elsewhere. If you live in, say, New York or Boston, you are familiar with a certain story of urban America. Several decades ago, disorder and dysfunction were common across American cities. Then came the great urban rebirth: a wave of reinvestment coupled with a plunge in crime rates that has left many major cities to enjoy a sort of post-fear existence.

    Until 2015, Baltimore seemed to be enjoying its own, more modest version of this upswing. Though it is often lumped in with Rust Belt economic casualties like Cleveland, St. Louis and Detroit, Baltimore in fact fared better than these postindustrial peers. Because of the Johns Hopkins biomedical empire, the city’s busy port and its proximity to Washington, metro Baltimore enjoyed higher levels of wealth and income — including among its black population — than many former manufacturing hubs.

    The city still had its ills — its blight, suburban flight, segregation, drugs, racial inequality, concentrated poverty. But as recently as 2014, Baltimore’s population, which is 63 percent African-American, was increasing, up slightly to 623,000 after decades of decline. Office buildings downtown were being converted to apartments, and a new business-and-residential district was rising east of the Inner Harbor. The city was even attracting those ultimate imprimaturs of urban revival, a couple of food halls.

    The subsequent regression has been swift and demoralizing. Redevelopment continues in some parts of town, but nearly four years after Freddie Gray’s death, the surge in crime has once again become the context of daily life in the city, as it was in the early 1990s. I have grown accustomed to scanning the briefs column in The Baltimore Sun in the morning for news of the latest homicides; to taking note of the location of the latest killings as I drive around town for my baseball coaching and volunteering obligations. In 2017, the church I attend started naming the victims of the violence at Sunday services and hanging a purple ribbon for each on a long cord outside. By year’s end, the ribbons crowded for space, like shirts on a tenement clothesline.

    The violence and disorder have fed broader setbacks. Gov. Larry Hogan canceled a $2.9 billion rail transit line for West Baltimore, defending the disinvestment in the troubled neighborhood partly by noting that the state had spent $14 million responding to the riots. Target closed its store in West Baltimore, a blow to a part of town short of retail options. The civic compact has so frayed that one acquaintance admitted to me recently that he had stopped waiting at red lights when driving late at night. Why should he, he argued, when he saw young men on dirt bikes flying through intersections while police officers sat in cruisers doing nothing?

    Explaining all this to people outside Baltimore is difficult, not only because the experience is alien to those even in cities just up or down the Interstate from us (though a handful of cities elsewhere, like Chicago and St. Louis, have experienced their own waves of recent violence, albeit less dramatically than Baltimore). It’s also because the national political discourse lacks a vocabulary for the city’s ills. On right-wing talk radio, one of the few sectors of the media to take much interest in Baltimore’s crime surge, there are old tropes of urban mayhem — Trump’s “American carnage.” Typically lacking from these schadenfreude-laced discussions is any sense of the historical forces and societal abandonment that the city has for decades struggled to overcome.

    On the left, in contrast, Baltimore’s recent woes have been largely overlooked, partly because they present a challenge to those who start from the assumption that policing is inherently suspect. The national progressive story of Baltimore during this era of criminal-justice reform has been the story of the police excesses that led to Gray’s death and the uprising, not the surge of violence that has overtaken the city ever since. As a result, Baltimore has been left mostly on its own to contend with what has been happening, which has amounted to nothing less than a failure of order and governance the likes of which few American cities have seen in years.

    To understand how things in Baltimore have gotten so bad, you need to first understand how, not so long ago, they got better. Violence was epidemic in Baltimore in the late 1980s and early 1990s, as it was in many other cities, as crack intruded into a drug market long dominated by heroin. In 1993, the city crossed the 350-homicide mark. These were the years that inspired “The Wire.” They also gave rise to Martin O’Malley, a city councilman who was elected mayor on an anti-crime platform in 1999.

    O’Malley set about implementing what was then known as the New York model: zero tolerance for open-air drug markets, data-centric “CompStat” meetings to track crime and hold police commanders accountable and more resources for law enforcement paired with tougher discipline for officers who abused their power. By the time O’Malley, a Democrat, was elected governor of Maryland in 2006, crime rates, including murders, had fallen across the board, but at a cost. Arrests had jumped to 101,000 in 2005 from 81,000 in 1999 — leaving a city full of young men with criminal records and months and years away from jobs and families.

    This perturbed a police detective named Tony Barksdale. At the time a colonel in his mid-30s, Barksdale, a bald, bearish man with a lugubrious manner, grew up in a rough section of West Baltimore. “I saw my first guy get shot at a football tryout at Franklin Square,” near his home, he told me when I met him for lunch last spring in the city’s Canton neighborhood. His own block was relatively safe, however, because a police officer lived on it. Barksdale was drifting through Coppin State College, “blowing Pell grants,” when he saw a bunch of young black cops on the street one day. The sight inspired him to sign up himself.

    Early in 2007, he proposed a more targeted approach to policing to Sheila Dixon, the City Council president who finished O’Malley’s term as mayor after he was elected governor. Dixon, like Barksdale a product of the city’s black working class, agreed with Barksdale’s vision for reducing the murders without mass arrests. “She said, ‘How long will it take you?’ ” Barksdale recalls. “I said, ‘One day.’ ”

    Much more at link...too much to copypasta...
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    Tragedy speaks not only for Baltimore, but most cities in general.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

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    https://bangordailynews.com/2019/07/...ted-with-mice/

    Jared Kushner owns lots of apartments in the Baltimore area. Some infested with mice.

    In a now-viral tweetstorm on Saturday, President Donald Trump characterized Rep. Elijah Cummings’s Baltimore-based congressional district as a “rodent infested mess” where “no human” would want to live.

    His criticism rang with a particular irony in Baltimore County, where the president’s son-in-law Jared Kushner owns more than a dozen apartment complexes that have been cited with hundreds of code violations and, critics say, provide substandard housing to lower income tenants.

    In an interview Saturday, Baltimore County Executive John Olszewski Jr. condemned Trump’s comments as “an attack on basic decency.”

    “It is certainly ironic that the president’s own son-in-law was complicit in contributing to some of the neglect that the president purports to be so concerned about,” Olszewski, a Democrat, added.

    Kushner Cos., which started operating in Maryland in 2013, has owned almost 9,000 rental units across 17 complexes, many of them in Baltimore County, the Baltimore Sun reported earlier this year.

    The properties generate at least $90 million in revenue annually. Kushner stepped down as CEO of the company in 2017, when he became a senior White House adviser.

    A company spokesperson did not address questions Sunday about whether the group agreed with Trump’s characterization of the area, but wrote: “Kushner Companies is proud to own thousands of apartments in the Baltimore area.”

    In 2017, Baltimore County officials revealed that apartments owned by Kushner Cos. were responsible for more than 200 code violations, all accrued in the span of the calendar year. Repairs were made only after the county threatened fines, local officials said, and even after warnings, violations on nine properties were not addressed, resulting in monetary sanctions.

    In an investigation by The New York Times and ProPublica published earlier that year, tenants of Kushner Cos. properties reported mouse infestations, mold problems and maggots. A private investigator who looked into Kusher’s property management company, Westminster Management, described them as “slumlords.”

    Christine Taylor, a spokeswoman for the Kushner Cos., asserted at the time that the group was in compliance with all state and local laws. Then-Baltimore County Executive Kevin Kamenetz said that was “a stretch of truth.”

    “We expect all landlords to comply with the code requirements that protect the health and safety of their tenants, even if the landlord’s father-in-law is president of the United States,” added Kamenetz, who died in 2018.

    Shannon Darrow, a program manager at the tenant advocacy group Fair Housing Action Center of Maryland, said Sunday that she was “appalled” by Trump’s comments about Cummings’s district, which includes about half of Baltimore City, and most of the majority black sections of Baltimore County. She added that she found Trump’s attacks ironic given the legacy of Kushner’s properties in the district.

    “Basically, [Kushner] has been creating a race to the bottom in terms of poorly maintained properties,” she said. “He’s been very, very deeply implicated.”

    In the past two years, Kushner Cos. and its affiliated entities have been sued multiple times by Baltimore-area residents who allege that the company has charged them excessive fees and used the threat of eviction to pressure them into paying up.

    From 2013 to 2017, corporate entities associated with Kushner Cos.’s apartments requested the civil arrest of 105 former tenants — the highest number among all property managers in Maryland during that period, the Sun reported.

    “It’s been our recent experience that working families have been preyed on at the benefit of Mr. Kushner and his company,” Olszewski said.

    A group of tenants recently attempted to file a class-action lawsuit alleging unlawful rental practices by the company. But their request was denied by a Baltimore Circuit Court judge.
    https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/in...812-story.html

    Three of the portfolio's apartment complexes — Dutch Village in Northeast Baltimore, Carriage Hill in Randallstown and Highland Village in Lansdowne — received $6.1 million in federal rental subsidies since Jan. 1, 2015, according to records obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request. That's money that helps the poor pay rent.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 07-28-2019 at 04:12 PM.

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    That's probably how Donald Trump knew the city was a rodent infested, crime infested, third world $#@! hole.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...in-trump-tower

    Trump slams 'rat-infested' district – but his own restaurant had a rodent problem

    Donald Trump attacked the House oversight committee chair, Elijah Cummings, on Saturday, claiming his congressional district in Baltimore was a “disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess”. But Trump has had his own problems with rodents.

    For example, in February, the Trump Tower Grille in the president’s signature Manhattan property was reported for “live mice” and other health code violations.

    New York City health inspectors visited the restaurant on 11 July 2018 and found “evidence of mice or live mice” in and around the kitchen, a violation of sanitary standards that was deemed to be “critical”.

    The inspectors also found the restaurant to be “not vermin-proof” and said it was “conducive to attracting vermin” and “allowing vermin to exist”.

    The New York Daily News reported that the Trump Tower restaurant has been cited for health code violations in each of the past five years, including sightings of “live roaches” in 2016 and “filth flies” in 2017.

    A Trump Organization spokesman told the paper such infractions had been dealt with and the restaurant retained an A rating from the city health department.

    But a former business associate told the Daily News that despite being a self-described “clean hands freak” and germaphobe, Trump has “always been far more focused on creating an image for his properties than in spending what it takes to make them excellent”.

    The president’s Trump Golf Links in the Bronx has also had problems with health inspections. The course restaurant’s plumbing and sewage systems were deemed substandard, the Daily News reported.

    Rats have also been involved in anti-Trump protests.

    In 2018, an artists’ collective used live rats in an installation in a room in the Trump International hotel, at the south-west corner of Central Park. The piece also featured a Trump impersonator wearing golden handcuffs.

    “The big question is the rats,” a source told the New York Post’s Page Six team. “They’re not emotional support rats. I’m sure it’s a health code violation, but I’m not sure what kind.”

    Back on the other side of the park, a 15ft inflatable “Trump Rat” has appeared on the north-west corner of 58th Street and Fifth Avenue, outside Trump Tower.

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    That or he watched The Wire... Which pretty accurately portrays the plight of Baltimore, Philadelphia, Cleveland etc.

    It is not really controversial that Baltimore is a dangerous and dirty city.

    Those signaling otherwise ("from the west side") are often from the west side of Baltimore County (not the west side of Baltimore) and are intentionally dishonest.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    You are a particularly sophisticated and dishonest tard.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    You are a particularly unsophisticated and dishonest tard.
    ftfy



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    So, what are you saying here?

    Baltimore is not a crime infested, rat infested $#@!hole?
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    And in Trump's beloved New York City:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8925781.html

    ‘It’s just an all-night buffet’: New York rat infestation

    So many rats regularly lurk on a sidewalk in Brooklyn that it is the humans who avoid the rats, not the other way around.

    Not even cars are safe: rats have chewed clean through engine wires.

    A Manhattan avenue lined with trendy restaurants has become a destination for foodies — and rats who help themselves to their leftovers.

    Tenants at a public housing complex in the South Bronx worry about tripping over rats that routinely run over their feet.

    New York has always been forced to co-exist with the four-legged vermin, but the infestation has expanded exponentially in recent years, spreading to just about every corner of the city.

    Rat sightings reported to the city’s 311 hotline have soared nearly 38 percent, to 17,353 last year from 12,617 in 2014, according to an analysis of city data by OpenTheBooks.com, a nonprofit watchdog group, and The New York Times.

    In the same period, the number of times that city health inspections found active signs of rats nearly doubled.

    Mayor Bill de Blasio, like mayors before him, has declared war on rats, but so far the city is still losing.
    De Blasio, calling for “more rat corpses,” unveiled a $32m (£25m) assault on rats in 2017, which included increased litter basket pickups, the deployment of solar-powered, trash compacting bins and rat-resistant steel cans.

    The city has also used dry ice to smother rats where they live.

    But after dropping last year, rat sightings are again on the upswing. The top spot for rat sighting complaints has been the Upper West Side, where residents are known for speaking up, followed by four Brooklyn neighbourhoods: Prospect Heights, Bedford-Stuyvesant, Bushwick and Ocean Hill.

    Jason Munshi-South, a biology professor at Fordham University who has led “rat safaris” to observe the vermin in Columbus Park in Chinatown, said that while New York is doing more than other cities, it will never be able to entirely eradicate rats.

    A major contributing factor is how the city collects trash: bags are left outside on the curb for hours before pickup the next morning. “It’s just an all-night buffet for the rats,” he said.

    On Ninth Avenue in Midtown Manhattan, rats chow down on trash bags piled outside restaurants and bars.
    More at link.

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    @Zippyjuan

    Baltimore Sun Op-ed, 2016: Trump’s Right: Declare Baltimore a ‘Disaster’ and Rebuild It

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...nd-rebuild-it/

    JOEL B. POLLAK 28 Jul 2019

    The Baltimore Sun published an op-ed on Nov. 9, 2016 — the day Donald Trump was declared the winner of the 2016 presidential election — in which the author called for Baltimore to be declared a disaster, and rebuilt.

    The op-ed, by Sean Kennedy, reads in part:

    Donald J. Trump is known for his hyperbole, but not all of his ideas are a stretch. Our inner cities are a “disaster,” as he said in the final presidential debate — and they should be officially declared so.

    Mr. Trump said on the campaign trail that he would “empower cities and states to seek a federal disaster designation for blighted communities in order to initiate the rebuilding of vital infrastructure, the demolition of abandoned properties and the increased presence of law enforcement.” Now that he’s captured the presidency, let’s hope he follows through.

    The idea is radical, revolutionary and just what urban America needs: a federal disaster declaration for our most impoverished neighborhoods hard hit by crime, urban blight and economic malaise.

    When the president declares an area to be a disaster, additional federal assistance can be applied while regulations and rules for rebuilding and revitalizing the affected area are often waived or reduced.



    Declaring our most beleaguered neighborhoods to be “disaster zones” and encouraging entrepreneurial activities through access to capital and microloans would inject capital, expedite much needed infrastructure and give our inner cities hope again.


    Read the full op-ed here (subscription may be required).

    The media and Democrats have called President Donald Trump’s recent criticisms of House Oversight Committee chair Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) racist because they refer to Baltimore’s blight.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So, what are you saying here?

    Baltimore is not a crime infested, rat infested $#@!hole?
    Nobody denies that. Just that his son- in-law is part of the problem Trump is criticizing there.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 07-28-2019 at 05:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Nobody denies that. Just that his son- in-law is part of the problem Trump is criticizing there.
    As is Elijah Cummings, no?
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    As is Elijah Cummings, no?
    Actually members of Congress don't have any control over crime in their districts- that is up to local governments and law enforcement. The Congressman can try to get more federal government funding. If Cummings is to blame then Trump too must be to blame since he is the President and responsible for the entire country. He is the ultimate authority figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Actually members of Congress don't have any control over crime in their districts- that is up to local governments and law enforcement. The Congressman can try to get more federal government funding. If Cummings is to blame then Trump too must be to blame since he is the President and responsible for the entire country. He is the ultimate authority figure.
    You're right, he is.

    And if Trump rolled NG and tanks into Baltimore to put a lid on this, what do you suppose Cummings and all the rest of the Perpetually Aggrieved's reaction would be?

    Whether credit to Trump is deserved or not, unemployment is at record low levels.

    Anybody who wants a job right now, with a minimum amount of effort, can get a job right now.

    A booming economy didn't help this situation.

    Draconian gun control didn't help this situation.

    Trillions in handouts didn't help this situation.

    Relaxing the War on Drugs, if not yet rolling it back entirely, didn't help.

    Having the cops bust heads didn't help.

    Having the cops sit on their hands didn't help.

    Having the cops engage in "new age" cop practices didn't help.

    Midnight basketball didn't help.

    Rounding everybody up and shipping them to Liberia is off the table.

    So is going Bull Connor with dogs and fire hoses.

    So...I'm open to suggestions...what do you suppose should happen next?
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Nobody denies that. Just that his son- in-law is part of the problem Trump is criticizing there.
    Yup, obviously.

    I wouldn't do business within a 100 miles of the place, but that's me.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee



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    Since there isn't a single cause (aside maybe from poverty which is a symptom not necessarily a cause- what causes all the poverty?) it is a complex problem which does not have simple solutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Since there isn't a single cause (aside maybe from poverty which is a symptom not necessarily a cause- what causes all the poverty?) it is a complex problem which does not have simple solutions.
    Granted and understood it is multi faceted problem.

    I'll take one suggestion that has not been tried yet.

    Or, maybe admit that the gist of Trump's comments, i.e...

    your district is in shambles, you've been in power for decades and instead of screaming and hollering at me all day long, maybe you should remove the log from your eye and take a good hard look at what YOU can do Mr. Cummings, to help "your" people and your district...

    ...is correct.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 07-28-2019 at 06:07 PM.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Granted and understood it is multi faceted problem.

    I'll take one suggestion that has not been tried yet.

    Or, maybe admit that the gist of Trump's comments, i.e...

    your district is in shambles, you've been in power for decades and instead of screaming and hollering at me all day long, maybe you should remove the log from your eye and take a good hard look at what YOU can do Mr. Cummings, to help "your" people and your district...

    ...is correct.
    I don't have an answer. Nobody does.

    Is Rand Paul responsible for crime in Kentucky?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I don't have an answer. Nobody does.

    Is Rand Paul responsible for crime in Kentucky?
    If Rand was following and promoting and voting for policies that made the situation worse, (gun control, rent control, welfarism, bureaucracy, high taxes just as a few examples) then yes, of course he would be.

    Which Cummings had supported all his life.

    Which has made things worse.

    Therefore he most certainly shares in the blame.

    He has no right to wag his finger in Trump's (or anybody else's) face and blame them for the inevitable and well known failures of his own idiotic policies and philosophy, especially when he starts screaming "racism".
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 07-28-2019 at 06:18 PM.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So...I'm open to suggestions...what do you suppose should happen next?
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Since there isn't a single cause (aside maybe from poverty which is a symptom not necessarily a cause- what causes all the poverty?) it is a complex problem which does not have simple solutions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Granted and understood it is multi faceted problem.

    I'll take one suggestion that has not been tried yet.

    Or, maybe admit that the gist of Trump's comments, i.e...

    your district is in shambles, you've been in power for decades and instead of screaming and hollering at me all day long, maybe you should remove the log from your eye and take a good hard look at what YOU can do Mr. Cummings, to help "your" people and your district...

    ...is correct.
    Whoa, there! Just whoa! Let's not get ahead of ourselves ....

    Has an overweeningly ambitious, fantastically expensive and liberty-eroding federal program named after the problem even been tried yet?

    I mean, granted, turning the word "BALTIMORE" into a relevant acronym appropriate for use in the title of any corresponding legislation will certainly be a daunting challenge, but still ... we shouldn't give up that quickly ...
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 07-28-2019 at 06:29 PM.
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  25. #22
    I've been to this $#@! hole. Won't go back again.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I've been to this $#@! hole. Won't go back again.
    My son got shipyard duty there last winter...it was...let's say...an eye opening experience for him.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Whoa, there! Just whoa! Let's not get ahead of ourselves ....

    Has an overweeningly ambitious, fantastically expensive and liberty-eroding federal program named after the problem even been tried yet?

    I mean, granted, turning the word "BALTIMORE" into a relevant acronym appropriate for use in the title of any corresponding legislation will certainly be a daunting challenge, but still ... we shouldn't give up that quickly ...
    Building
    A
    Loving
    T...

    Damn, not looking promising...
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee



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  29. #25
    This is so ridiculous. A city with a murder rate as high as Brazil, where crime is out of control, are coming together because of... Some mean tweets. Bourgeois white $#@!libs who think they know Baltimore because they watched half a season of The Wire will tweet about how "we're all Baltimore" and #BaltimoreStrong, then go back to lives completely disconnected from the urban carnage that plagues the city. Thank you so, so much for your help. Where would we be without you?
    NeoReactionary. American High Tory.

    The counter-revolution will not be televised.

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    This is so ridiculous. A city with a murder rate as high as Brazil, where crime is out of control, are coming together because of... Some mean tweets. Bourgeois white $#@!libs who think they know Baltimore because they watched half a season of The Wire will tweet about how "we're all Baltimore" and #BaltimoreStrong, then go back to lives completely disconnected from the urban carnage that plagues the city. Thank you so, so much for your help. Where would we be without you?
    That's what those self loathing turds specialize in.

    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 07-28-2019 at 06:45 PM.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    My son got shipyard duty there last winter...it was...let's say...an eye opening experience for him.
    I'd say one of the "highlights"(?) was the black homeless man, standing in the park by the roadside, trouse down, yanking his pudd, while everyone around carried on as if nothing was going on.
    If that level of moral degeneracy is regarded as 'normal,' then I sure as hell don't want anything to do with it.
    I'm sure there will be a libertarian to come along and tell me that as long as he didn't get his ejaculate on anyone then it's all good. Wasn't hurting nobody.

  32. #28
    This issue should really help Trump woo black voters.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I'd say one of the "highlights"(?) was the black homeless man, standing in the park by the roadside, trouse down, yanking his pudd, while everyone around carried on as if nothing was going on.
    If that level of moral degeneracy is regarded as 'normal,' then I sure as hell don't want anything to do with it.
    I'm sure there will be a libertarian to come along and tell me that as long as he didn't get his ejaculate on anyone then it's all good. Wasn't hurting nobody.
    Reminds me of my very first port call in Africa, in Douala Cameroon.

    Slowing making my approach to a rickety Customs quay, around 0900, looking through the binoculars, so as to tell the crew what line was to go on what bitt, and, in front of God and everybody, one of the line handlers drops trou, bends over the edge of the quay and drops a deuce overboard.

    It went downhill from there.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    This issue should really help Trump woo black voters.
    Most blacks are never going to vote Trump, the small percentage of blacks that do, agree with him on this:

    Resident of Baltimore Agrees with Trump: Cummings ‘Hasn’t Done Anything for Us’
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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