Austin: Libertarian BLM Protester Shot Dead

[Okie RP fan]

Some of what BLM was doing had some of my support in the beginning.
Once they were taken over by Marxists, nope. Bye bye, you all are no longer credible.

It's sad another person lost their life in this entire mess. I think that's been one of the intended consequences of all this chaos, though.
But, I'm very much at the point in all of this where, while it does hurt to see so much death, destruction, etc. it does have a callousing effect after a while.

[John-G]

He was there everyday, already too far gone down the left libertarian SJW mindset. I think his wife played a big role, she was black and a quadruple amputee, so he was probably highly emotionally attached to a white knight type syndrome. Must save wife via BLM'ing.

Didn't help that the LP nominee put it out there that libertarians can't just be not racist, that we all must be anti-racist (or ANTIRA)

Every wrong done by any libertarian is blamed ultimately on the LP nominee and party. This is never done to the republican or democrat party, makes one wonder why some people are so disgusted by any challenge to the major 2 parties?

[69360]

Every wrong done by any libertarian is blamed ultimately on the LP nominee and party. This is never done to the republican or democrat party, makes one wonder why some people are so disgusted by any challenge to the major 2 parties?

Nobody has ever blamed Trump for the actions of idiots? Seriously? That happens every $#@!ing day! Rightfully so at times.

[John-G]

Nobody has ever blamed Trump for the actions of idiots? Seriously? That happens every $#@!ing day! Rightfully so at times.

Well, CNN and MSNBC don't really count. I was talking about the supposedly sane people in this forum. Jo has explained what she means by being anti racism and yet people continue to claim that she supports the marxist BLM movement instead of just supporting the sentiment. I think there is a segment of the forum who are irrational and even unhinged about anything libertarian party, if they are not perfect in every way shape or form then there are no good to humanity and in fact are seen as worse than the totality of the republican and democratic party.

[cruzrulez]

Confused libtard commie violates NAP, gets ventilated, and nothing of value was lost.

[devil21]

Well, CNN and MSNBC don't really count. I was talking about the supposedly sane people in this forum. Jo has explained what she means by being anti racism and yet people continue to claim that she supports the marxist BLM movement instead of just supporting the sentiment. I think there is a segment of the forum who are irrational and even unhinged about anything libertarian party, if they are not perfect in every way shape or form then there are no good to humanity and in fact are seen as worse than the totality of the republican and democratic party.

There are some here who, of course, are not libertarian in any sense, are 100% authoritarian statists, who want to see anything associated with liberty/freedom/self-determination destroyed permanently, so they post every little thing they can find to smear libertarians collectively. Those that engage in such things are closet communist infiltrators themselves LARPing under the guise of being conservative/libertarian. The tactics are straight out of Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, the socialist/communist playbook.

It's not very difficult to pick them out, seeing how they come on LIBERTY FOREST and do nothing but push overt statism and bash anything LIBERTY oriented.

On topic: It's a shame that the young man became collateral damage. I don't have a problem with marching against police brutality or protesting the federal over-reach that's invaded every aspect of our lives. I marched with BLM in the very early days, before it was taken over by paid Soros types, here in Charlotte, after the Keith Scott killing. It was peaceful and was nice, at the time, to see people actually motivated to get off the couch and assemble for a cause that the left and libertarians generally hold as common ground views (and the right did at one time before neocons took over and turned the right into authority worshipping drones after 9/11). The crowds were very diverse with all ages, races and political leanings tired of the militarized police state. Getting caught up in that mess today is a recipe for bad things to happen however, as that young man learned. :sigh: Best to stay away and let the idiots on both sides weed each other out of the gene pool.

[cruzrulez]

There are some here who, of course, are not libertarian in any sense, are 100% authoritarian statists, who want to see anything associated with liberty/freedom/self-determination destroyed permanently, so they post every little thing they can find to smear libertarians collectively. Those that engage in such things are closet communist infiltrators themselves LARPing under the guise of being conservative/libertarian. The tactics are straight out of Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, the socialist/communist playbook.

It's not very difficult to pick them out, seeing how they come on LIBERTY FOREST and do nothing but push overt statism and bash anything LIBERTY oriented.

This place is called Ron Paul forums, not libertarian central. There have been plenty of times the left leaning "libertarians" on this forum make a broad statement, and days later Ron makes a video which would contradict them. That was a testament of how well Ron built his coalition. Unfortunately it's largely fallen apart since 2012.

[devil21]

This place is called Ron Paul forums, not libertarian central. There have been plenty of times the left leaning "libertarians" on this forum make a broad statement, and days later Ron makes a video which would contradict them. That was a testament of how well Ron built his coalition. Unfortunately it's largely fallen apart since 2012.

That's weird, because the banner says LIBERTY FOREST.

I get that you're relatively new here and don't appear to interact much but the original RP campaigns brought in all kinds of political leanings, but the one thing we all had in common was the sense that government was becoming way too intrusive in every day life. Unlike the lockstep hive minds of the left and right, libertarian school of thought is that people are inherently free to live their lives as they see fit, without a nanny state dictating everything to them. The right loves a nanny state to "keep us safe" while the left loves a nanny state to "bail us out of bad choices". I don't agree with fellow libertarians on everything, even the ones I very much like. That is what individualism and freedom is about. And if we don't agree on everything it doesn't mean that we hate each other for it. That hate mindset is what many operatives spend hours a day trying to reinforce because smaller, divided, groups are easier to control and impedes large, uncontrolled, groups from coming together to oppose what affects us all.

[oyarde]

First of all, I always thought AK-47s were illegal outside of purchasing them from collectors. I thought they had to be made before 1986 or something like that. Nothing positive comes from carrying something like that to a rio-errrr, protest. Unless the British are trying to quarter soldiers in your town, open carrying an AK-47 is retarded.


I watched the video from the dash cam of a car. The streets were filled with people blocking traffic. They weren't obeying walk signs. They were making the flow of traffic very difficult. The shooter turned down a street and he was swarmed by people like locusts pounding on his car. If some guy in a bandana has an AK-47 and is approaching a car in a mob of people, he no longer needs to be living. That is an aggressive action.

Lots of things are legal if you pay all the kings taxes to the federal fuedal Lords and open yourself to inspections . But , pretty hard to get ammo for a grenade launcher which makes me sad.

[cruzrulez]

That's weird, because the banner says LIBERTY FOREST.

take a closer look at the URL of this website and the main banner.

[nobody's_hero]

Hmm. Last week the libertarian solution was to let people work these things out with street justice. No foul by those rules as far as I can tell.

I think the next step is blood atonement, family feud, and/or tribal warfare. None of my business I guess in any case. The gods will surely have favored the victor.

[Brian4Liberty]

Some of what BLM was doing had some of my support in the beginning.
Once they were taken over by Marxists, nope. Bye bye, you all are no longer credible.

It's sad another person lost their life in this entire mess. I think that's been one of the intended consequences of all this chaos, though.
But, I'm very much at the point in all of this where, while it does hurt to see so much death, destruction, etc. it does have a callousing effect after a while.

...
On topic: It's a shame that the young man became collateral damage. I don't have a problem with marching against police brutality or protesting the federal over-reach that's invaded every aspect of our lives. I marched with BLM in the very early days, before it was taken over by paid Soros types, here in Charlotte, after the Keith Scott killing. It was peaceful and was nice, at the time, to see people actually motivated to get off the couch and assemble for a cause that the left and libertarians generally hold as common ground views (and the right did at one time before neocons took over and turned the right into authority worshipping drones after 9/11). The crowds were very diverse with all ages, races and political leanings tired of the militarized police state. Getting caught up in that mess today is a recipe for bad things to happen however, as that young man learned. :sigh: Best to stay away and let the idiots on both sides weed each other out of the gene pool.

Yep, this was a tragic and unnecessary death. It does go to show that while the Second Amendment applies to all, there is a great responsibility that comes with it, and if a person is going out carrying, there should be some training about consequences.

What was this guy doing? He was open carrying, which is fine. But when he charged up to the driver's window with gun in hand, he was appointing himself as a "cop". What was his intent? To make this guy park his car and allow the mob to destroy it? Pull the driver out and beat him? Or as has happened at other "protests, was he planning on shooting the driver? Did he consider the driver might be armed? He was not retreating. They were engaging in a violent attack on a passing driver. Blocking traffic itself is a crime in my book, and it should be the law, and be prosecuted.

What in the world has made people think that it is perfectly valid to block people, essentially detaining them, yell and scream in their faces, and destroy property with no repercussions?

https://twitter.com/USAB4L/status/1287468135646453761

[eleganz]

Every wrong done by any libertarian is blamed ultimately on the LP nominee and party. This is never done to the republican or democrat party,

I was talking about the supposedly sane people in this forum. Jo has explained what she means by being anti racism and yet people continue to claim that she supports the marxist BLM movement instead of just supporting the sentiment. I think there is a segment of the forum who are irrational and even unhinged about anything libertarian party

Here is Jo's specific words;

Jo Jorgensen on Twitter "It is not enough to be passively not racist, we must be actively anti-racist. #BlackLivesMatter #VoteGold"

I specifically said that it DID NOT help that the LP was putting out this messaging. Do you disagree with me that it DID HELP?? What are you even arguing about? And what happened in the end? A LP supporter got shot in the head being what? actively anti-racist.



You and any other triggered RPF member (@devil21) should read my other post that said he should've just stayed away and been an actual libertarian, being productive and not participating in leftist mob activities.

I guess he heard the great gospel of Jo and decided to be an "anti-racist" instead of a libertarian that just minded his own business, striving in the private sector.

[Swordsmyth]

Well, CNN and MSNBC don't really count. I was talking about the supposedly sane people in this forum. Jo has explained what she means by being anti racism and yet people continue to claim that she supports the marxist BLM movement instead of just supporting the sentiment. I think there is a segment of the forum who are irrational and even unhinged about anything libertarian party, if they are not perfect in every way shape or form then there are no good to humanity and in fact are seen as worse than the totality of the republican and democratic party.

She can "explain" all she wants after her sellout but it doesn't change what she said, she didn't just say that black lives mattered, she supported #BlackLivesMatter and she demanded "anti-racism" not just not being racist which is leftist speak for being racist against whites and giving free stuff to minorities.

[Swordsmyth]

Yep, this was a tragic and unnecessary death. It does go to show that while the Second Amendment applies to all, there is a great responsibility that comes with it, and if a person is going out carrying, there should be some training about consequences.

What was this guy doing? He was open carrying, which is fine. But when he charged up to the driver's window with gun in hand, he was appointing himself as a "cop". What was his intent? To make this guy park his car and allow the mob to destroy it? Pull the driver out and beat him? Or as has happened at other "protests, was he planning on shooting the driver? Did he consider the driver might be armed? He was not retreating. They were engaging in a violent attack on a passing driver. Blocking traffic itself is a crime in my book, and it should be the law, and be prosecuted.

What in the world has made people think that it is perfectly valid to block people, essentially detaining them, yell and scream in their faces, and destroy property with no repercussions?

https://twitter.com/USAB4L/status/1287468135646453761

The guy got what he deserved.
Back when America was great you would see a lot more dead commies over this garbage and the authorities would be thanking the people who did it.

[devil21]

take a closer look at the URL of this website and the main banner.

I've looked at it nearly every day for the last 13 years. What's your point Mr. 67 posts?

The lesson here is to reach these young people as best as you can and guide them. I've taken a young libertarian fella under my wing lately to teach him "the force" in hopes that he doesn't end up making similarly unwise choices. All libertarians, especially us "elders", need to do the same whenever possible.

I do find it regrettable that some think anyone, especially a young man that was purportedly a libertarian (evidence of which is a bit flimsy but I digress), dying over this manufactured conflict was "getting what he deserved." Who wants to see anyone with a libertarian mindset, while perhaps misguided in his actions, dying in the street, other than a pure statist full of hatred?

[Origanalist]

The guy got what he deserved.
Back when America was great you would see a lot more dead commies over this garbage and the authorities would be thanking the people who did it.

Lol, another one of your fantasies.
Were you there " back when America was great" and witnessed the authorities thanking people?

[CCTelander]

Lol, another one of your fantasies.
Were you there " back when America was great" and witnessed the authorities thanking people?

As I recall back in "the good old days" (TM), if people went around murdering others, even commies, the authorities would arrest and prosecute them just like any other murderer. He must be referring to some alternate reality.

[Origanalist]

As I recall back in "the good old days" (TM), if people went around murdering others, even commies, the authorities would arrest and prosecute them just like any other murderer. He must be referring to some alternate reality.

I think he was referring to when the Minutemen used to clear the Colonies of communist invaders.

[Swordsmyth]

As I recall back in "the good old days" (TM), if people went around murdering others, even commies, the authorities would arrest and prosecute them just like any other murderer. He must be referring to some alternate reality.

It's not murdering people to shoot or run over criminals who are assaulting, kidnapping or robbing you or destroying property.

[CCTelander]

It's not murdering people to shoot or run over criminals who are assaulting, kidnapping or robbing you or destroying property.

No, that would be self-defense, which I have no problem with. However, your comment didn't make that clear, especially considering all the times I've seen you opine on this very board that commies should be thrown from helicopters merely for their beliefs.

[Swordsmyth]

No, that would be self-defense, which I have no problem with. However, your comment didn't make that clear, especially considering all the times I've seen you opine on this very board that commies should be thrown from helicopters merely for their beliefs.

You mean their beliefs in assaulting, kidnapping or robbing you or destroying property?

And the context of my post was quite clear.

[John-G]

Here is Jo's specific words;



I specifically said that it DID NOT help that the LP was putting out this messaging. Do you disagree with me that it DID HELP?? What are you even arguing about? And what happened in the end? A LP supporter got shot in the head being what? actively anti-racist.



You and any other triggered RPF member (@devil21) should read my other post that said he should've just stayed away and been an actual libertarian, being productive and not participating in leftist mob activities.

There was an interview she did on CSPAN where she actually explains what she was going to do about race and all she talked about was the same sort of policies Ron Paul used to talk about like ending the war on drugs and asset forfeiture laws etc, no talks about reparations, affirmative actions or any of the polices BLM tends to support. All signs show that she was not supporting the movement but the sentiment and also her talk of anti racism to anyone who is not unhinged since to signify her desire to go beyond just saying she is against racism and that she will change laws that would make life better for black people and just people in general.

I will ask you a question, can you show me anything policy wise that worries you about her? Heck Trump was openly a zionist, Israeli firster who was boosted by a zionist drain on the US and yet none of you guys going bunkers about this tweet(which is not a policy) said anything about it.

I just worry about the sort of people who are unhinged about libertarianism and their candidate, do I think she is perfect? definitely not. Heck not even the great Ron Paul was perfect but she is a massive upgrade than the dem and rep option we have and only a hardcore statist infiltrator cannot see it

[Anti Federalist]

There was an interview she did on CSPAN where she actually explains what she was going to do about race and all she talked about was the same sort of policies Ron Paul used to talk about like ending the war on drugs and asset forfeiture laws etc, no talks about reparations, affirmative actions or any of the polices BLM tends to support. All signs show that she was not supporting the movement but the sentiment and also her talk of anti racism to anyone who is not unhinged since to signify her desire to go beyond just saying she is against racism and that she will change laws that would make life better for black people and just people in general.

Then she fundamentally misunderstands what "anti racism" is.

[John-G]

Then she fundamentally misunderstands what "anti racism" is.

Maybe so and I bet the anti libertarians on this side will spare some of the dozens of benefits of the doubts they've showered on Trump on Dr. Jo. Sad where this forums has gone to where it is now fashionable to be seen as anti, deeply deranged, irrational hatred of the libertarian party. I have been watching her interviews and reading articles about here and I have yet to see her propose any policy that was "anti-racism" according to the definition you posted.

anti-racism” means supporting and instituting policies and ideas that level racial disparities of socio-economic outcome, while “racism” consists of any policy or idea that results in racial inequity.

And please do post examples of her proposing anit-racism policies, there are a lot of people on this forum looking for a good reason to hate on the woman and the party.

[Swordsmyth]

Then she fundamentally misunderstands what "anti racism" is.

Or pretends to.

[Anti Federalist]

Maybe so and I bet the anti libertarians on this side will spare some of the dozens of benefits of the doubts they've showered on Trump on Dr. Jo. Sad where this forums has gone to where it is now fashionable to be seen as anti, deeply deranged, irrational hatred of the libertarian party. I have been watching her interviews and reading articles about here and I have yet to see her propose any policy that was "anti-racism" according to the definition you posted.

I am not comparing Trump to Jorgensen. What she has proposed or is on the LP party platform is mostly agreeable to me and I support it.

But she said what she said, and to embrace Marxist "anti racism" is to deny the entire rest of the platform, the two are utterly incompatible.

My "hatred' stem from watching so many "libertarians" abandon the philosophy to instead embrace Bernie Bro Bolshevism.

And please do post examples of her proposing anit-racism policies, there are a lot of people on this forum looking for a good reason to hate on the woman and the party.

I'd be inclined to ask her about it at a campaign event.

[cruzrulez]

I've looked at it nearly every day for the last 13 years. What's your point Mr. 67 posts?

haha, you commies are lucky swordsmith, danno, and anti fed (not to forget anyone else sry) entertain you all on this failing website. If I were Ron, I'd politely ask the site owners to run this thing into the ground for gross misrepresentations of his legacy. I wouldn't be surprised if you're all paid from the same trough as tones was.

[devil21]

haha, you commies are lucky swordsmith, danno, and anti fed (not to forget anyone else sry) entertain you all on this failing website. If I were Ron, I'd politely ask the site owners to run this thing into the ground for gross misrepresentations of his legacy. I wouldn't be surprised if you're all paid from the same trough as tones was.

Aww u mad bro?

I guess cruzrulez forgot that Ron ran as a Libertarian Party presidential candidate in 1988.

[susano]

Yeah. It's gonna be a $#@! show of "he said, she said."

This could all be avoided if water cannons were used to clear roadways of protesters, so that...well...$#@!ing vehicles could use them.

From what I've heard, water cannons can actually put someone's eye out. IMO, tear gas seems like the best dispersant, though rioters/protestors have used leaf blowers to blow it back (clever!). Though I've not smelled it but have some seen funny prank videos using it, Liquid Ass (whatever is in that) sounds like a great non lethal substance to clear out out a crowd. I recall the Israelis using it on Palestinians (too bad they usually use bullets) and they called it "skunk". Everyone thought it was sewage so it has be really nasty.