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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by bv3 View Post
    If I had the money to buy pounds by the pound... Oh, lawdamercy.


    https://www.finviz.com/futures_charts.ashx?p=d1&t=6B
    Last edited by goldenequity; 12-12-2018 at 03:49 AM.



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    She was an EU agent from the beginning. Total betrayal.
    The government is illegitimate.
    ^^this^^

    A Globalist Schill to screw this up so that it would fail and dismantle Brexit.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!



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  5. #33
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/stat...05228498948096

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  6. #34
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46547246

    Theresa May survives confidence vote

    Prime Minister Theresa May has won a vote of confidence in her leadership of the Conservative Party by 200 to 117.

    The result was greeted by cheers and applause from Tory MPs as it was announced by backbench Tory chairman Sir Graham Brady.

    It means Mrs May is immune from another leadership challenge for a year.

    The vote was triggered by 48 of her MPs angry at her Brexit policy, which they say betrays the 2016 referendum result.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 12-12-2018 at 04:02 PM.

  7. #35
    It's official: May has won the leadership contest. 200 backed her while 117 voted against. Analysts said that if more than 100 Tories voted against May, it could create problems for her government and draw her credibility as prime minister into question.
    Sterling has started moving lower on the result (though it remains up on the day), as traders are correctly assessing that this doesn't bode well for May's Brexit deal (though she did receive more votes of support than when she was first elected prime minister, that margin improved by a mere 5 votes from 195 to 200).

    As ITV's Robert Peston pointed out, more than half of the independent Tory MPs (that is, those who don't hold a post in the government), voted against the prime minister, which hardly inspires confidence.
    Well over half of independent Tory MPs voted against her - and even then she had to concede she would not lead party into next election.
    — Robert Peston (@Peston) December 12, 2018
    As Bloomberg's David Goodman points out, this doesn't bode well for May's Brexit deal.
    Assuming those 117 Tory MPs will vote against May's Brexit deal (obviously not a given), that result bodes pretty badly for her chances of getting it through Parliament.
    Already, May's intraparty rivals are piling on...

    • EUROSCEPTIC LAWMAKER REES-MOGG SAYS THIS IS A TERRIBLE RESULT

    Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn said the vote this evening makes no difference to British people, according to Bloomberg.
    "The Prime Minister has lost her majority in Parliament, her government is in chaos and she is unable to deliver a Brexit deal that works for the country and puts jobs and the economy first."
    May will now return to Brussels on Thursday without the strong mandate she had hoped to win. She will face off against EU leaders with "her leadership shaken and leaving behind a bitterly divided party," according to the Financial Times.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ce-vote-begins
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  8. #36
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland...itics-46481643

    Brexit ruling: UK can cancel decision, EU court says

    The European Court of Justice has ruled the UK can cancel Brexit without the permission of the other 27 EU members.

    The ECJ judges ruled this could be done without altering the terms of Britain's membership.

    A group of anti-Brexit politicians argued the UK should be able to unilaterally halt Brexit, but they were opposed by the government and EU.

    The decision came as Theresa May announced a Commons vote on whether to approve her deal would be postponed.

    MPs had been widely expected on Tuesday to reject the EU withdrawal agreement negotiated by Mrs May.

    But she pre-empted their decision, saying the vote would be deferred to a later date so she could seek "further assurances" from EU leaders about the application of the Irish border backstop.

    In a subsequent statement to MPs, Brexit Secretary Steve Barclay said the government noted the ECJ ruling but insisted "our policy has not changed".

    He said the UK would be leaving the EU on 29 March 2019, under the terms of the EU's Article 50 process, and had "absolutely no intention" of overturning the 2016 Brexit vote.
    More at link.

  9. #37
    Theresa May is in power. But she's not in charge.
    That's essentially the takeaway from last night's 'no confidence' vote, where more than half of the Tory backbenchers who aren't on the PM's payroll (i.e. don't hold formal positions within the government) voted against the PM, narrowing her margin of victory to just 83 votes, which was hardly the overwhelming margin of victory for which the PM had hoped.
    And even this number doesn't accurately reflect the waning enthusiasm for the prime minister; to avoid an even narrower victory, which might have prompted May to resign, May was forced to offer a serious concession on Wednesday: During a speech ahead of the secret ballot, May indicated that she would step down before the next general election (set for 2022), prompting speculation that she could resign as soon as early next year.

    And while Brexiteers - who have been criticized by some pro-government MPs for their poor timing in orchestrating the vote - are reportedly "hunkering down" for "trench warfare" (suggesting that few will break ranks to back May's draft deal), according to the Times of London, some former members of May's government - including former Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab - said during an early Thursday interview that it's "hard to see" how the PM can continue to lead.
    Here's Reuters:
    "We will have to back her as best we can but problem is that both in relation to Brexit and wider sustainability of the government given likelihood of any changes to the deal, given the likely scale of opposition, it looks very difficult to see how this PM can lead us forward," Raab told reporters.
    In another sign that May has been seriously weakened by the vote, the Times reported that several senior cabinet ministers are pushing May to bring back a vote on her deal before Christmas so that it can be voted down, and Parliament could proceed with holding a series of "indicative" votes on every conceivable deal option. This could give May leverage with the EU, while also demonstrating to intransigent MPs that there is sufficient political will to avoid ever triggering the backstop.
    Cabinet Brexiteers and Remainers were agreed last night that Mrs May should push ahead with the vote on her Brexit plan before Christmas, both camps expecting her to lose heavily, according to the Times of London (though rumors of this plan first surfaced last month).
    Five cabinet ministers - David Gauke, Amber Rudd, David Lidington, Greg Clark and Mr Hammond - want Mrs May to bring back her deal for a vote as early as next week. They then want the Commons to hold a series of "indicative" votes on every conceivable option, from a no-deal Brexit, a Canada-style agreement, a single market and customs union to a second referendum.
    "They will all fail," one cabinet minister said. "At that point we will probably be able to rule out no-deal and Canada."
    Though Commons leader Andrea Leadsome denied reports that a 'meaningful vote' will be called before Christmas.
    With May heading back to Brussels on Thursday, EU leaders are reportedly digging in their heels, warning that, while they would be willing to agree to some minor "clarifications" and "legal assurances" about the backstop, the deal text - as it stands - must remain unchanged. According to one report, EU leaders are only planning to give May "ten minutes of their time" (after all, there are other burgeoning crises in Europe that are dividing the bloc's attention).
    This should surprise nobody. Because, as one analyst told RT, what incentive does Europe have to fold? After two years of fraught negotiations, May has failed to unify her party. Given that any concessions could still face rejection, the only sensible approach for the EU is "take it or leave it."
    Speaking shortly after the Wednesday vote, May said she is determined to fight for changes to her Brexit deal at an upcoming EU meeting on Thursday.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...vote-christmas
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  10. #38
    Theresa May has warned EU leaders they risk forcing a disorderly no-deal Brexit if they fail to step in a save her exit agreement.
    A package of the right assurances from leaders over the backstop could “change the dynamic” at Westminster, the Prime Minister said in remarks released by Downing Street.
    She made clear the perception that the backstop could be a “trap” that the UK cannot escape needs to change, adding: “until we do, the deal – our deal – is at risk”.
    Mrs May said: "I am in no doubt that the best result for all of us is to get this deal delivered in an orderly way and to get it done now. It is in none of our interests to run the risk of accidental no-deal with all the disruption that would bring, or to allow this to drag on any further."


    She added: "We have to change the perception that the backstop could be a trap from which the UK could not escape. Until we do, the deal - our deal - is at risk.”
    The Prime Minister flew early yesterday to a two-day Brussels summit to ask leaders individually to rescue the agreement with new legal assurances on the backstop.
    Mrs May had appealed to EU leaders to put their trust in her to deliver on her promises and to give her the political room for manoeuvre that she needs.
    "Over the last few years I hope I have shown you can trust me to do what is right, not always what is easy, however difficult that might be for me politically," she said
    "We must get this right and hold nothing in reserve. Let's work together intensively to get this deal over the line in the best interests of all our people."
    Following her address, Mrs May took questions from the leaders before leaving the summit while they discussed their response over dinner.


    Arriving in Brussels earlier, Mrs May acknowledged that with her own party divided and the opposition parties set against her agreement, she needed additional assurances regarding the backstop.
    However, she made clear she was not expecting an "immediate breakthrough" during the course of the two-day gathering in the Belgian capital.
    "My focus now is on ensuring that I can get those assurances that we need to get this deal over the line," she said.
    Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz, who currently holds the rotating EU presidency, suggested there could be a special Brexit summit in January to agree "additional assurances".
    Other leaders indicated their willingness to help through "clarifications" to the backstop arrangements - intended to prevent the return of a hard border on the island of Ireland - but were adamant they would not re-open negotiations on the Withdrawal Agreement.
    German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who met Mrs May in Berlin on Tuesday, said: "I do not see that this Withdrawal Agreement can be changed. We can discuss whether there should be additional assurances, but here the 27 member states will act very much in common and make their interests very clear."
    French President Emmanuel Macron said: "We cannot reopen a legal agreement, we can't renegotiate something which has been negotiated over several months. We can have a political discussion in this context."
    Irish premier Leo Varadkar, who held a lengthy one-to-one meeting with Mrs May ahead of the main summit, said that while EU was keen to be "helpful", some of the suggestions she had put forward were "difficult".
    In particular he warned there could be no "unilateral exit clause" on the backstop, as some MPs are demanding.
    "If the backstop has an expiry date, if there is a unilateral exit clause, then it is not a backstop. That would be to render it inoperable," he said.
    "That would mean reopening the substance of the Withdrawal Agreement and the European Union is unequivocal that is not an option."

    More at: https://news.yahoo.com/brexit-latest...223359245.html
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  11. #39
    Both cable and the FTSE slumped on Friday after Prime Minister Theresa May returned from Brussels emptyhanded following a tour of European capitals where she pleaded for "assurances" that the bloc was not seeking to trick the UK into unwittingly becoming a "vassal state" - as Brexiteers have warned. Objections over the backstop forced May to cancel a Commons vote on the 'finalized' draft Brexit withdrawal agreement.

    Not only did EU leaders refuse to yield during what was a hastily called EU summit, they insisted that negotiations over the deal could not be reopened, and also berated May for putting the onus on them to change the deal to placate May's fractious Tory caucus. One senior EU source accused May of trying to force the bloc to "solve her problem for her."
    May had asked for a legally binding assurance that the Irish backstop wouldn't become an "inescapable trap". But while EU leaders offered informal "clarifications", they insisted that the text of the deal would not be reopened.
    Cable tumbled below $1.26 again, erasing much of the currency's Wednesday advance.

    May's critics in the DUP seized the opportunity to bash May for failing to follow through on her promise to secure "legally binding changes" and for signing off on a deal which she knew had no chance of passing in the Commons, according to the Daily Telegraph.
    The DUP leader said: "The Prime Minister has promised to get legally binding changes. The reaction by the EU is unsurprising."
    "They are doing what they always do. The key question is whether the Prime Minister will stand up to them or whether she will roll over as has happened previously."
    "This is a difficulty of the Prime Minister's own making. A deal was signed off which the Prime Minister should have known would not gain the support of Parliament."
    "If the Prime Minister had listened to our warnings and stood by her public commitments, we would not be in this situation."
    Even Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar refused to back up his neighbor, saying he was "very satisfied" with the summit conclusions on Brexit which made clear the Withdrawal Agreement was not "up for renegotiation."
    "As Europe we reaffirmed our commitment for the need for a backstop. An open border between Northern Ireland and Ireland can't be a backdoor to the single market," he said.
    "That's why European countries also very strongly support backstop. It is not just an Irish issue, it is very much a European issue as well.
    "It is very much a case of in the European Union being one-for-all and all-for-one."
    The Prime Minister of Luxembourg urged May to take the deal back to Westminster and make clear to rebellious MPs that they had a choice between this deal or no deal (virtually ensuring that negotiations will come to the wire, as the EU waits until the last possible moment to hand May the concessions she needs):
    "Theresa May did the best possible job. She did the best possible deal and now the MPs in London should be responsible and know if they want to have the best possible deal or to go in the direction where they don't know what will come out."
    May's de facto deputy David Lidington refused to rule out resigning if the government authorized a "no deal" Brexit.
    Asked again if he would be prepared to take the UK out of the bloc without a deal, he said: "That is not the policy of the Government or the Prime Minister who I support and work for."
    "The policy of the entire Cabinet, which includes colleagues who both campaigned to leave and campaigned to Remain, is that we do not want no deal, we want to have a deal, that is what we are continuing to work towards."
    In other news, the bloc clarified that, beginning in 2021, UK vacationers will need to pay a €7 for visa-free travel.
    Yes #ETIAS will apply to the #UK as 3rd country post-Brexit - 7 euros for a 3 year pre-travel authorisation. Simple form, like #ESTA to the US, but way cheaper. #Brexit #EUCO
    — Natasha Bertaud (@NatashaBertaud) December 13, 2018
    In a scene that attracted considerable attention in the British press, May was filmed during what was described as a "contentious" confrontation with European Commission head Jean Claude Juncker after Juncker "personally attacked" May.
    This doesn't exactly look like an exchange of pleasantries between Theresa May and Jean-Claude Juncker as the Brexit summit gets underway. #EUCO pic.twitter.com/l0r4NwDj8h
    — Philip Sime (@PhilipSime) December 14, 2018
    With the impasse looking more intractable by the day, the EU said late Thursday that it would call an emergency 'no deal' summit for January to beginning contingency planning for the UK to leave the bloc without a trade deal. After surviving an intraparty 'no confidence' vote earlier this week by a less-than-enthusiastic margin, May is expected to struggle to whip up the votes for her plan. And in what sounded like No. 10 trying to "put on a happy face", a spokesman for May accused the EU of playing "hardball" and assured the public that a deal would eventually be struck.

    ...which means the odds of a "hard" Brexit - or, more likely, "no Brexit at all" - are rising by the day.



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  12. #40
    A red hot petition calling for the UK to exit the EU on 29th March 2019 without a deal is the most popular petition on the official Parliamentary website.
    It has rocketed to over 70,000 signatures already, and reads: “We are wasting billions of pounds of taxpayers money trying to negotiate in a short space of time.
    “Leaving the EU in March 2019 will allow the UK good time to negotiate more efficiently. The EU will be more eager to accept a deal on our terms having lost a major partner.”
    It is currently the most popular official petition in the country, already hitting just shy of 1,000 signatures per hour. There is clearly demand across the country now to walk away.


    If it gets to 100,000 signatures, a No Deal Brexit debate will be considered for debate in Parliament.

    More at: https://www.infowars.com/70000-stron...ar-in-country/
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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    A red hot petition calling for the UK to exit the EU on 29th March 2019 without a deal is the most popular petition on the official Parliamentary website.
    It has rocketed to over 70,000 signatures already, and reads: “We are wasting billions of pounds of taxpayers money trying to negotiate in a short space of time.
    “Leaving the EU in March 2019 will allow the UK good time to negotiate more efficiently. The EU will be more eager to accept a deal on our terms having lost a major partner.”
    It is currently the most popular official petition in the country, already hitting just shy of 1,000 signatures per hour. There is clearly demand across the country now to walk away.


    If it gets to 100,000 signatures, a No Deal Brexit debate will be considered for debate in Parliament.

    More at: https://www.infowars.com/70000-stron...ar-in-country/
    121,855 signatures
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    A red hot petition calling for the UK to exit the EU on 29th March 2019 without a deal is the most popular petition on the official Parliamentary website.
    It has rocketed to over 70,000 signatures already, and reads: “We are wasting billions of pounds of taxpayers money trying to negotiate in a short space of time.
    “Leaving the EU in March 2019 will allow the UK good time to negotiate more efficiently. The EU will be more eager to accept a deal on our terms having lost a major partner.”
    It is currently the most popular official petition in the country, already hitting just shy of 1,000 signatures per hour. There is clearly demand across the country now to walk away.


    If it gets to 100,000 signatures, a No Deal Brexit debate will be considered for debate in Parliament.

    More at: https://www.infowars.com/70000-stron...ar-in-country/
    Never thought I'd be rooting for the British.

    Just leave the E.U. and hash out the trade deals later. Delay, delay, delay...

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

  16. #43
    165,358 signatures
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    165,358 signatures
    LOL at what count do they revolt?

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    LOL at what count do they revolt?
    I would say never but France took me by surprise.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  19. #46
    How Hillary May Clinton is able to 'Britface'
    and globe trot daily we'll never know,
    and we thought her health was failing...
    .

  20. #47
    The leader of Britain's main opposition Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, said he was calling for a no confidence vote in Prime Minister Theresa May -- a largely symbolic gesture -- for not putting her Brexit plan to a vote by lawmakers immediately."This is unacceptable in any way whatsoever," Corbyn said in the House of Commons.
    "So, Mr Speaker, as the only way I can think of ensuring a vote takes place this week, I am about to table a motion which says the following: that this house has no confidence in the prime minister, due to her failure to allow the House of Commons to have a meaningful vote straight away on the withdrawal agreement... that will be tabled immediately."
    Earlier on Monday, May said she intended to hold the vote on her Brexit plan in the week starting on Jan. 14.

    More at: https://news.yahoo.com/labour-calls-...182108911.html
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    A red hot petition calling for the UK to exit the EU on 29th March 2019 without a deal is the most popular petition on the official Parliamentary website.
    It has rocketed to over 70,000 signatures already, and reads: “We are wasting billions of pounds of taxpayers money trying to negotiate in a short space of time.
    “Leaving the EU in March 2019 will allow the UK good time to negotiate more efficiently. The EU will be more eager to accept a deal on our terms having lost a major partner.”
    It is currently the most popular official petition in the country, already hitting just shy of 1,000 signatures per hour. There is clearly demand across the country now to walk away.


    If it gets to 100,000 signatures, a No Deal Brexit debate will be considered for debate in Parliament.

    More at: https://www.infowars.com/70000-stron...ar-in-country/
    200,819 signatures
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  23. #49
    Prime Minister Theresa May said on Monday she would bring her Brexit deal back to parliament for a mid-January vote, pledging to get assurances from the European Union before then to break a deadlock over Britain's fraught efforts to quit the bloc.With just over 100 days until Britain is due to leave the EU, May faced accusations from some lawmakers that she was trying to force a deeply divided parliament into backing her deal by running the clock down to exit day.
    A mid-January vote could oblige lawmakers to make a decision between her deal or leaving without one on March 29, a nightmare scenario for many businesses.
    May is pressing on with her deal to leave the EU, rejecting calls for a second referendum or to test support for different Brexit options in parliament, despite hardening opposition to the agreement to maintain close ties.
    May said parliament would debate the deal in January, before a vote in the week beginning Jan. 14 - more than a month after an original Dec. 11 vote which she cancelled after admitting she faced a significant defeat.
    After a tumultuous week in which she survived a confidence vote within her Conservative Party and sought last-minute changes to the Brexit agreement reached with Brussels last month, May said again that the alternatives to her deal were leaving without an agreement or no Brexit at all.
    "I know this is not everyone’s perfect deal. It is a compromise. But if we let the perfect be the enemy of the good then we risk leaving the EU with no deal," she told lawmakers, her speech punctuated by loud shouts of protest.
    "Avoiding no deal is only possible if we can reach an agreement or if we abandon Brexit entirely."
    She said the EU had offered "further clarification" on the most contentious aspects of the withdrawal agreement and her government was seeking "further political and legal assurances".
    The leader of the opposition Labour Party sought to turn up the pressure by lodging a motion of no confidence in May for not quickly re-scheduling the vote by lawmakers on her Brexit plan that she delayed last week.
    "This is unacceptable in any way whatsoever," Jeremy Corbyn said in the House of Commons.
    But the result of a no-confidence vote in May as prime minister would be non-binding and, if it takes place, there were signs that Labour would struggle to embarrass May.
    Some Conservative Party lawmakers, who want a more definitive break from Brussels and challenged her leadership last week, said they would not support Labour's vote. Similarly, a Northern Irish party which props up May but opposes her Brexit plans said it would not back it.
    A government source said Downing Street would not allow time in parliament for "a stunt" and if Labour was serious it should attempt a full vote of no confidence in the government, which would bring it down if backed by parliament.

    More at: https://news.yahoo.com/brexit-vote-b...104136446.html
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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  24. #50
    The British Prime Minister’s Brexit has been so epically disastrous that it has trapped the EU into an ideal result for the UK. This is consistent with the upside down world she inhabits where virtually every statement about her Brexit is the opposite of the truth. Her Brexit failure could be the way to a clean clear Brexit with most of the negotiating power shifting to Britain.
    It was the Chinese warrior Sun Tzu who wrote some 2,500 years ago in “The Art of War” that an over confident general should “not pursue an enemy who simulates flight” as the retreat could be leading to an ambush. The Spartans successfully used the feigned-retreat tactic at Thermopylae in 480 BC.
    Of course Mrs May’s flight is not a feint but a genuine collapse. The EU is jubilant. The surrender document (Withdrawal Agreement) is too good to be true. They charge on and laugh at the failure of the British political class. But they forget they are dealing with the British people not their politicians. Ironically we can turn May’s genuine defeat into a real victory.
    Accustomed to top down political power and public obedience the continental politicians (and especially the unaccountable EU Commissioners) did not reckon with:

    • The automatic nature of the UK’s withdrawal
    • The lack of time for another referendum
    • The automatic default option of the “no deal” which is in fact a clear deal based on World Trade Organisation terms
    • That those terms mean a big windfall for the British Treasury when we apply WTO tariffs to German and French exports to the UK
    • That those costs would be on top of the very high price of those exports to the UK market after the Pound’s decline so EU manufacturers will have to reduce their prices and profits
    • The UK keeps its £39bn + exit fee so other EU States will have to pick up the difference

    So already the EU is coming up with agreements on citizens rights, air traffic, banking, customs checks, personal data, holiday makers and general transport between the UK and EU and – before March 29th – I am sure much else. Those planes will fly, there will be no problems with medicine recognition, no Mars bar or drinking water shortage, we will not lose our seat at the UN (although we would if we stayed in the EU).
    And as the future of the May deal is constructed around the mythical Irish problem (although that is by far the least of its critical defects) we suddenly hear from the European Union that UK citizens will have to pay 7 Euros to go on holidays in the EU after Brexit. So much for the seamless border demanded by the EU between Northern Ireland and the Republic!


    Suddenly we will find that what was a disaster and what were unsolvable problems can be solved surprisingly quickly. But only if there is pressure. Only if the UK has a political leader with the spine to assert no deal. Only if the 29th March looms ever closer. Only if French and German industry see the writing on the wall and start to order their politicians to stop playing politics and get a free trade deal done.
    When we have left they will come begging to us. But only if we leave with “no deal” and exploit the brilliant incompetence of Theresa May which has caused the EU, with great hubris, to charge into the trap.


    Wages are rising, real wages after inflation are rising, employment has reached record levels – all as 132,000 fewer “EU citizens” work in the UK.
    And the Pound? Well you have heard of these City economists saying how disastrous leaving the EU will be. But it seems when actually asked to predict the level of the Pound after Brexit next year the major banks all say it will rise from its present level of $1.26! Nomura says massively to just under $1.60. Barclays say around $1.30, JP Morgan and Citi bank say around $1.37 and the French Bank BNPP say $1.47.
    While predicting chaos from a no deal Brexit the CBI has just published data of UK manufacturing success with orders growing for a second month in a row in December. The CBI’s monthly order book showed a positive reading of +8, after November’s +10 but well above average levels and a measure of expectations for the three months ahead rose to +14, its highest level since September.
    If you want something more vox pop you might like to hear the lead singer of the very successful pop group Iron Maiden, Bruce Dickinson who has said that “Brexit will open the UK to the rest of the World”.
    The UK has just announced it will stay in the Common Transit Convention giving “simplified cross border trade for UK businesses exporting their goods” and “provide cashflow benefits to traders and aid trade flow at key points of entry …….. traders will only have to make customs declarations and pay import duties when they arrive at their final destination.” As John Redwood MP says: “How about some apologies from all those who said border friction would be very damaging?”
    So Armageddon it is not!

    More at: https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ma...a-trap/5663424
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  25. #51
    Britain published proposals Wednesday for EU immigration curbs after Brexit as business groups warned the UK economy was not ready for the country to crash out of the bloc with no divorce deal in place.The proposals include a temporary work visa system similar to "guest worker" systems in other countries as well as a consultation on a salary threshold for workers who would be allowed to settle in Britain.
    The European Union also on Wednesday said it was adopting backup plans in case of a no-deal Brexit, while Prime Minister Theresa May faced another barrage of criticism in parliament for delaying a critical vote on her withdrawal deal.
    Labour opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn accused May of "recklessly running down the clock" by seeking to ensure that MPs only have a choice between her deal and no-deal when parliament will be allowed to vote next month.
    "She is holding parliament and the country to ransom," he said, accusing her of a "criminal waste of money" with stepped-up no deal contingency planning.
    Corbyn was later upbraided by Conservative MPs who said he had muttered "stupid woman" at May when she mocked him over his indecision and was asked to apologise to parliament.
    But a Labour spokesman said Corbyn had said "stupid people".
    - Need for 'sustainable' immigration -
    May has vowed to end free movement of people from Europe, saying that this was one of the main reasons that Britons voted to leave the European Union in a 2016 referendum.
    Immigration levels have already fallen since the referendum.
    Net migration to Britain was around 280,000 last year, a decrease from levels of more than 300,000 in 2014 and 2015.
    Home Secretary Sajid Javid said visas would be introduced for EU nationals arriving to live in Britain after Brexit.
    The new system will be based on skills, not nationality, putting EU and non-EU citizens on the same footing.
    "In the future, everyone other than British and Irish citizens will need to get UK permission before they can come here," he told lawmakers.
    The proposals include one-year visas for workers of any skill level that are aimed at protecting sectors of the economy that are reliant on lower skilled labour.
    While in Britain, these temporary workers would not be entitled to access public funds or bring in dependant family members or seek permanent settlement.
    There would also be a "cooling-off period" prohibiting them from renewing their visa for a year.
    "The future system is about making sure immigration works in the best interests of the UK," Javid added, noting it would "bring annual net migration down to more sustainable levels".
    During prime minister's questions, May said her government remained committed to a long-held goal of bringing it down to tens of thousands annually.
    Javid said the proposals "will give protection to British workers" and "help drive up wages and productivity across our economy".

    More at: https://news.yahoo.com/uk-unveils-im...091217322.html
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  26. #52

    https://twitter.com/Queen_UK/status/1076209572258476032


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  27. #53
    The US ambassador to the UK Woody Johnson has warned that Donald Trump’s “quick, massive, bilateral trade deal” after Brexit will not be possible under Theresa May’s proposed Brexit.
    Johnson also told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that British politicians were growing frustrated at “trying to navigate what the people wanted when they voted” following the 2016 vote to leave the European Union.
    He said that the UK was “in need of leadership” over Brexit. Earlier Trump had said that the Brexit deal on offer from May to parliament was a “great deal for the EU.”
    While Johnson talked up the scope of the trade deal that Trump wanted to offer the UK following the implementation of Brexit, he said that May’s proposed deal would make it difficult to offer.
    He said that if the deal was approved by parliament, then a bilateral US deal “doesn’t look like it would be possible.”


    More at: https://news.yahoo.com/us-ambassador...132359171.html
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  28. #54
    The Northern Irish party that props up Britain's minority government will hold Prime Minister Theresa May to her commitment to secure changes to the divorce deal struck with the European Union, its leader said on Monday.With less than three months to go until the UK is due to leave the EU on March 29, May plans to hold a vote on her deal in mid-January, after pulling it from parliament this month after admitting its ratification would be defeated.
    She is first seeking "assurances" from EU leaders over the so-called Irish backstop, an insurance policy to avoid a hard border between the British province and EU-member Ireland that her Northern Irish allies and members of her own party oppose.
    Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) leader Arlene Foster reiterated that her party required changes to the actual withdrawal agreement but said they would work with the government to "achieve a better deal".
    "For our part, we want to leave with a sensible deal which works for the United Kingdom, Northern Ireland in particular but also our neighbours in the Republic of Ireland. We want an orderly exit which implements the referendum result," Foster said in a statement.
    "We have been consistent throughout the negotiations that Great Britain is Northern Ireland's main market therefore, any deal which will undermine the economic or constitutional integrity of the United Kingdom single market, will not have DUP support."

    More at: https://news.yahoo.com/northern-irel...-business.html
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  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    zee popcorn is ready... grab a chair.
    i'm less than an hour away from 2019 and the whole year has that feel to it....

  30. #56
    In another stunning defeat for Theresa May and her senior cabinet, MPs on Tuesday backed a measure intended to thwart the possibility of a 'no deal' Brexit by attaching an amendment to a crucial Finance Bill that will effectively force the UK government to shut down if Article 50 isn't suspended or Parliament doesn't explicitly vote to approve a 'no deal' exit.
    The so-called "Cooper amendment" to the finance bill was tabled by Labour’s Yvette Cooper and had become the focus of Brexit related drama since Parliament returned from its Christmas break this week. The vote passed 303-296 with the help of 20 Tory rebels.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...no-deal-brexit
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  32. #57
    Following Theresa May's dramatic defeat on Tuesday when 20 Tory rebels helped pass an amendment to a finance bill that effectively eliminated the possibility of a 'no deal' Brexit, Parliament has taken another step toward wresting power over the Brexit process away from May and her government by passing another amendment that would require May to call another vote on her unpopular Brexit plan should it be defeated during a planned 'meaningful vote' next week.
    The controversial "Grieve amendment" - which was opposed by May's government (she had been planning on a three-week gap to whip up votes or come up with a 'Plan B' should next week's vote fail) - passed with 308 votes in favor and 297 against. The amendment was named after the Tory MP - Dominic Grieve - who initially proposed it. Tory MP Oliver Letwin also helped lead the push for the vote.
    The vote will effectively prevent May from running out the clock to Brexit Day, which was believed to be her primary tactic for coercing MPs to support her deal.

    As the BBC pointed out, Wednesday's vote increases the likelihood of another Brexit referendum.
    Wednesday's amendment passed thanks to an alliance between Labour and Tory MPs after May's critics accused her of increasing the risk of a 'no-Brexit' scenario.
    "The government's decision to delay the meaningful vote has run down the clock and increased the risk of a no-deal Brexit," said Labour's shadow Brexit Secretary Sir Keir Starmer.
    "If the prime minister's Brexit deal is defeated next week, she must return to Parliament as soon as possible and give MPs a real say on what happens next."
    ERG leader and prominent Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg said the amendment wouldn't affect the UK's scheduled departure from the EU on 29 March (though that still remains to be seen).
    "It merely requires a motion to be tabled not even debated."
    The vote comes ahead of five days of debate over May's plan.
    Commons Speaker John Bercow is facing accusations that he broke procedural rules by calling for a vote on the amendment, per the BBC.
    Commons Speaker John Bercow faced an angry backlash from some Conservative MPs over his decision to allow MPs to vote on the issue.
    The MPs claim Mr Bercow broke Commons rules and ignored the advice of his own clerks.
    Commons leader Andrea Leadsom was among MPs to challenge his ruling in a series of points of order after Prime Minister's Questions.
    Critics also argued that the business motion to which the amendment was attached shouldn't have been amendable, and that the speaker was "breaking with precedent."



    Update: It's looking increasingly likely that Commons Speaker John Bercow's impudence in defying May and her government will not go unpunished.
    The BBC is reporting that a motion of no confidence in Bercow - who has been accused of ignoring Commons rules in allowing MPs to vote on the Grieve amendment - is likely.
    NEW

    BBC Mark D’Arcy reports a motion of no confidence in the Speaker “looks pretty certain” https://t.co/a21Om577wl
    — Sam Coates Times (@SamCoatesTimes) January 9, 2019
    * * *


    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...kill-mays-deal
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  33. #58
    I believe May has overstayed her welcome, her interest in Britain is not
    for the Brits.

  34. #59
    With her back against the wall as the debate on her Brexit plan enters a second day, it appears May has finally relented on her insistence that she would not yield to demands to change her deal, even as her Parliamentary archnemsis Jeremy Corbyn appeared to back away from threats to take down her government.
    While Corbyn said during a speech on Thursday that he wouldn't table a motion of no confidence in May's government (which, if successful, would clear the way for a general election that would inject a fresh helping of chaos into the process) if the vote should fail, offering May some more room to maneuver, the Financial Times reported that the prime minister has put forward a "package" of concessions including granting Parliament power over whether the Irish backstop is triggered, implementing requirements to conclude a future UK-EU trade deal within one year should the backstop take effect, and offering a slate of 'workers rights' reforms and promising to work with the EU, according to the Financial Times.
    May would also be required to obtain "further assurances" from the EU that the backstop will likely never take effect.
    Still, as the FT pointed out, it's unlikely that these concessions will win enough support to pass May's deal on the first go-round.
    The workers rights concessions were swiftly rejected as an obvious ploy to win over Labour votes when Corbyn delivered a major Brexit speech on Thursday speech, the Guardian reported. And union officials also warned Labour MPs not to take the bait. The Labour leader also downplayed a comment by his shadow Brexit secretary who said a delayed Brexit was no almost inevitable.
    If May has one thing going for her, it's that MPs haven't formed a consensus on an alternative to her plan. Which means that May's plan to pressure the EU into offering more concrete last-minute concessions must succeed if the prime minister wants to make sure that 'Brexit Day' means 'Brexit Day' - and that the UK's exit isn't delayed, which now appears more likely than a 'no deal' exit thanks to the votes this week (though a 'no deal' exit hasn't been explicitly ruled out).
    Whatever happens, both professional Wall Street analysts and armchair amateurs concede that what transpires between Thursday and Brexit Day is anybody's guess.


    In what sounds like a doomed gambit, May is planning one final round of appeals to the EU ahead of the 'meaningful vote' on her Brexit deal, which is set for Tuesday. In a sign that the EU has softened its position somewhat, the FT reported that the EU would allow the concessions on the backstop, which we explained above, because they wouldn't alter the UK's treaty obligations.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...ommons-defeats


    I still predict a no-deal Brexit.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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  35. #60
    The European Union could agree to extend the deadline for Brexit, but not beyond elections for the EU parliament due in May, Spain's foreign minister said on Monday.Britain's exit from the EU on March 29 is uncertain as parliament is likely to vote on Tuesday against its agreed exit deal, opening up outcomes ranging from a disorderly divorce to reversing Brexit altogether.
    "A hard Brexit would be a catastrophe for everyone," Foreign Minister Josep Borrell said during a conference in Madrid.
    "It is possible that the timeframe may be extended," Borrell said without giving details about how this might happen. "The real deadline is the European election, because it has been planned without British representation."
    Britain is now due to leave the EU on March 29. The deadline can be extended if Britain requests this and the other 27 EU members agree.

    More at: https://news.yahoo.com/spains-foreig...101122040.html
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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