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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    I have never received a straight answer to: What's the difference between a foreign army that invades and attempts to violently disarm us vs foreign migrants who are overwhelmly against the 2nd Amendment and will vote to have us forcibly disarmed?
    Because those giving aid and comfort to the enemy don't really care about liberty.
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    I have never received a straight answer to: What's the difference between a foreign army that invades and attempts to violently disarm us vs foreign migrants who are overwhelmly against the 2nd Amendment and will vote to have us forcibly disarmed?
    Utterly rhetorical...there is no difference.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Utterly rhetorical...there is no difference.
    I know, but the latter is totally acceptable to some.
    ...

  6. #34
    https://twitter.com/_montana_bound_/...76107712823301



    Go there and read the whole thread.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    I know, but the latter is totally acceptable to some.
    True.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Government people with guns and badges telling people what they can and cannot do is not police state. What is a police state? More meter maids handing out parking tickets?
    Advance warning: I'm going to reference the hypocrisy of this post the next time you complain about private-property owners being "bathroom cops" ....
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 07-27-2019 at 08:28 PM.
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    https://twitter.com/_montana_bound_/...76107712823301



    Go there and read the whole thread.
    If true, it makes me wonder how deep and wide the swamp is. Who can you trust?

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by revgen View Post
    If true, it makes me wonder how deep and wide the swamp is. Who can you trust?
    It's worldwide and very deep, you can't trust much of anyone.

    Trump has the right connections to be able to trust a few people but he has to watch his back around them anyway.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    What part of "without" don't you understand?
    Creating a militarized state that monitors the movements, employment, and lives of all within it to ensure none are "foreigners" and which will, beat, cage, and kill you for crossing an imaginary line is a police state you idiot. Your support of it makes you a traitor to the Constitution, liberty, and basic humanity.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Creating a militarized state that monitors the movements, employment, and lives of all within it to ensure none are "foreigners" and which will, beat, cage, and kill you for crossing an imaginary line is a police state you idiot. Your support of it makes you a traitor to the Constitution, liberty, and basic humanity.
    That isn't what we will create.

    Your commie buddies will create a police state, your support of it makes you a traitor to the Constitution, liberty, and basic humanity.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's worldwide and very deep, you can't trust much of anyone.

    Trump has the right connections to be able to trust a few people but he has to watch his back around them anyway.
    Oh yeah. This is the guy totally has the connections. And you can definitely trust him to not be friends with those in "the swamp."



    SwordSmyth handlers: You better move a new sock puppet into running the account because that last one was a dolt.

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Oh yeah. This is the guy totally has the connections. And you can definitely trust him to not be friends with those in "the swamp."



    SwordSmyth handlers: You better move a new sock puppet into running the account because that last one was a dolt.
    Never judge a spook by his cover.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That isn't what we will create.

    Your commie buddies will create a police state, your support of it makes you a traitor to the Constitution, liberty, and basic humanity.
    Yep. I'm an anarchist who hates all forms of centralized states- you know the very opposite of Communism- so somehow that makes me a Communist. While you champion the murder of innocent people engaging in free market exchanges of goods and services and locking the survivors in state run gulags all in the name of communal property owned by "the people" and managed on their behalf by an all power centralized police state.

    Which one of us is the Communist? Well, why don't we ask an actual Communist what the Communist border laws should be.



    Why look at that. You and comrade Bernie agree. Just proves Hayek right- the distance between Red and Brown isn't ideology. Its merely the color of the uniform. And you're a filthy, lying, traitor to everything Americans believe in.

    Your handler really ought to get a smarter puppet in place of you.

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Never judge a spook by his cover.
    Oh the cover is obvious to anyone with half a brain. He is obvious about his connections.



    I wonder, do you get paid to be dumb? Is that part of your cover?

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Yep. I'm an anarchist who hates all forms of centralized states- you know the very opposite of Communism- so somehow that makes me a Communist. While you champion the murder of innocent people engaging in free market exchanges of goods and services and locking the survivors in state run gulags all in the name of communal property owned by "the people" and managed on their behalf by an all power centralized police state.

    Which one of us is the Communist? Well, why don't we ask an actual Communist what the Communist border laws should be.



    Why look at that. You and comrade Bernie agree. Just proves Hayek right- the distance between Red and Brown isn't ideology. Its merely the color of the uniform. And you're a filthy, lying, traitor to everything Americans believe in.

    Your handler really ought to get a smarter puppet in place of you.
    Bernie wouldn't really follow through and you know it.
    Many Demoncrats have spoken words about border security but they never do anything about it.
    The invaders are not innocent as you pretend to believe, they have already done extreme damage to liberty.
    You want to flood this country with communists so they can establish a communist regime on the ashes of the Constitutional Republic that you as an anarcho-communist intend to help them burn down.
    And you're a filthy, lying, traitor to everything Americans believe in.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 07-28-2019 at 01:50 AM.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Oh the cover is obvious to anyone with half a brain. He is obvious about his connections.



    I wonder, do you get paid to be dumb? Is that part of your cover?
    You are the one pretending to be simple minded.
    The world is far more complex than you pretend to think.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    There is a lot of illegal and immoral activity in Zips's hometown . Not unusual . Zip may have lead them astray with the lure of easy money .
    what do you expect in LIBERAL CALIFORNIA, where even libertarians are spineless ****

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    So lets hear from the OPEN BORDER / NAP / Property rights fanatics, how can
    you possibly support prosecution of Human Traffickers , its their property but you want to
    take it from them and punish them. Where is your NAP , now ?


    : )
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They will take the smugglers' side and fight us when the civil war comes, they prefer foreign commies to Americans.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Yes, if they adhere to their 'Core Principle' platform of Anarchy at all costs, no laws , no restrictions, no human rights other than
    those attainable by and through thuggery' .
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The law of the jungle.

    We actually live in a world ruled by the law of the jungle, they just are mad that some animals are bigger and meaner than them so they want to pull down thw current pecking order.

    They are not liberty lovers, they are power socialists.
    This bears repeating.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Your support of it makes you a traitor to the Constitution
    Look who pretends to care about the Constitution.

    LOL
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Look who pretends to care about the Constitution.

    LOL

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Creating a militarized state that monitors the movements, employment, and lives of all within it to ensure none are "foreigners" and which will, beat, cage, and kill you for crossing an imaginary line is a police state you idiot. Your support of it makes you a traitor to the Constitution, liberty, and basic humanity.
    Let's keep the comedy rolling! The shylls and trumpettes claim that we aren't creating a police state, and that anyone opposing one doesn't care about the Constitution. If that is true, then they can go ahead and repudate their Authoritarian Idol for the:
    expansion of the 100 miles within the border "Constitution-free zone" to include the entire country
    expansion of biometrics usage and other spying on everyone
    concentration camps
    mass arrests (or threats of)
    attempts to wall us all in

    But they won't do it, because they oppose Ron Paul directly by promoting such things. They're obviously paid to post this garbage 38+ times a day, since they have no history of activism, and no time for things like work and family since they spend like 60+ hours a week here. Pointing this out is only met with two possible responses: to mock Ron Paul and his actual supporters, or to call people names in collectivist emotional level terms (such as "invaders", "communists", etc). They claim to be able to read the minds of millions of people by claiming that immigrants are socialists or communists, and claim to be against a police state, yet it is they who are constantly shylling for turning our country into north korea or east germany. And of course this sort of direct opposition to Ron Paul is fully sanctioned here by the site owners and mods, in direct contradiction to the site's mission statement and usage guidelines. Opposing further expansion of the big government police state does not equate to being in favor of open borders or unlimited immigration, and the trumpettes and shylls attempting to equate the two is just even more direct opposition to Ron Paul.
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  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    expansion of the 100 miles within the border "Constitution-free zone" to include the entire country
    Not True.


    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    expansion of biometrics usage and other spying on everyone
    I oppose it.

    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    concentration camps
    Not True.

    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    mass arrests (or threats of)
    Millions of invaders need to be removed en mass.


    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    attempts to wall us all in
    Hyperbola, the wall is not my preferred solution but it is better than the communist invasion you support, they will do everything you claim to oppose for real.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    Let's keep the comedy rolling! The shylls and trumpettes claim that we aren't creating a police state, and that anyone opposing one doesn't care about the Constitution. If that is true, then they can go ahead and repudate their Authoritarian Idol for the:
    expansion of the 100 miles within the border "Constitution-free zone" to include the entire country
    expansion of biometrics usage and other spying on everyone
    concentration camps
    mass arrests (or threats of)
    attempts to wall us all in

    But they won't do it, because they oppose Ron Paul directly by promoting such things. They're obviously paid to post this garbage 38+ times a day, since they have no history of activism, and no time for things like work and family since they spend like 60+ hours a week here. Pointing this out is only met with two possible responses: to mock Ron Paul and his actual supporters, or to call people names in collectivist emotional level terms (such as "invaders", "communists", etc). They claim to be able to read the minds of millions of people by claiming that immigrants are socialists or communists, and claim to be against a police state, yet it is they who are constantly shylling for turning our country into north korea or east germany. And of course this sort of direct opposition to Ron Paul is fully sanctioned here by the site owners and mods, in direct contradiction to the site's mission statement and usage guidelines. Opposing further expansion of the big government police state does not equate to being in favor of open borders or unlimited immigration, and the trumpettes and shylls attempting to equate the two is just even more direct opposition to Ron Paul.
    Amen.

    +Rep
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  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Marenco View Post
    Amen.

    +Rep
    Agree.

    And how did a thread about gov employees trafficking people & drugs (i.e alphabets) turn into an "open borders" lefties/righties hate thread?
    There is no spoon.

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Agree.

    And how did a thread about gov employees trafficking people & drugs (i.e alphabets) turn into an "open borders" lefties/righties hate thread?
    The thread is following the example of our benevolent leader, it will randomly go off on tangents for no apparent reason, meandering around to hit some of the same topics that we have heard since the last election cycle.
    “…let us teach them that all who draw breath are of equal worth, and that those who seek to press heel upon the throat of liberty, will fall to the cry of FREEDOM!!!” – Spartacus, War of the Damned

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  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by kpitcher View Post
    The thread is following the example of our benevolent leader, it will randomly go off on tangents for no apparent reason, meandering around to hit some of the same topics that we have heard since the last election cycle.
    Oh yeah, I forgot we are supposed to be hating on each other so we pay no attention to The Man Behind The Curtain.
    There is no spoon.



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Agree.

    And how did a thread about gov employees trafficking people & drugs (i.e alphabets) turn into an "open borders" lefties/righties hate thread?
    You know how.

    Same as the rest.

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    You know how.

    Same as the rest.
    Yep- was just using a little of my @TheCount sarcasm.
    There is no spoon.

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Oh yeah. This is the guy totally has the connections. And you can definitely trust him to not be friends with those in "the swamp."



    SwordSmyth handlers: You better move a new sock puppet into running the account because that last one was a dolt.


    He's just trying to make the deep state feel comfortable...

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  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    You know how.

    Same as the rest.
    Yep, because they are related.

    Our country is further to the left because of immigration. We have a lot of immigration because we were a free and prosperous society that adopted a leftist welfare state. Now the immigrants are going to vote for more leftist policy, and let in more immigrants, who will vote for even more leftist policy.

    You can talk about libertarian philosophy all day long and it won't matter if you have open borders and a welfare state.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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