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What is the nature of this "contamination"? Their color? Their language? It isn't their values. Politicians also exploited Irish and German and Italian and many other immigrant groups to their own purposes- mainly scaring voters into electing them. The country didn't collapse- it prospered.
Uh, Mexico was highly civilized around the founding of the colonies. They even had mandatory education- Tenochtitlan, now Mexico City, was one of the largest and most advanced cities in the world.
Yes, they had sacrifices but Europe burned witches and gutted heroes like William Wallace, so there is a savage history on both sides.
And, yes, it's history- and something everyone should get to know.
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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Many sacrifices were considered noble & were voluntary, much like the ancient Samurai.
The Aztecs were warriors, this is true- but I'm sure that your version of Aztec "sickness" isn't any worse than killing millions of innocents by drones while you sit in comfy in your war office.
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
"Contaminated" was your word choice Zip. . .
I interpreted you to mean at the least a numerically unequal sort of "contamination" of any other nations immigration quota by some other nation.
But, play the race card if ya' think it helps equal things - I don't see how
with immigration quota from each other latino-population nation from Central America on is always under policy limitations for individual nations.
Last edited by Jan2017; 03-29-2018 at 05:22 PM.
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https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/01/...moving-mexico/Expat Mexico: Arróz by Any Other Name Would Smell Like Rice
By Fred Reed
January 2, 2016
I get a fair amount of mail wanting to know about expatriation to Mexico, whether it is a good idea, what it is like, and how to do it. I have consequently flung together the following to satisfy this curiosity. I hope it serves.
The upside:
Mexico is a friendly, courteous, flavorful country. It appeals to the mildly adventurous who are tired of the uniformity, political correctness, conformism, blandness, and growing authoritarianism of America. Many of the political hostilities that tear at the US do not exist here. There is a sense of age, of having a past, in countless towns each with a distinctive church and different architecture. It is not a mass culture. Endless miles of undestroyed beaches line, for example, the Michoacán coast near here. Mexico costs less than the US. And, yes, you can probably afford the services of a maid. If you are a single man, you will find the women more agreeable and much more feminine than American, and frequently beautiful. What CBS thinks.
The downside:
The political situation in Mexico is shaky with an uncertain future. Or maybe it is shaky–we have been hearing this for thirteen years, and so far nothing has shook. Corruption is rife. The narcos are as bad as you have heard and probably worse. This has no direct effect on expats as narcos have no interest in gringos, but it doesn’t add to the stability of the country. There are states where it is wisest not to go: probably nothing would happen but “probably” isn’t what most retirees want. The cops are crooks, and you will likely get hit for an occasional bribe. Many Mexicans, especially around concentrations of expats, try to swindle gringos, whom the lower classes believe to be rich. Traffic is bad and getting worse as the local population grows.
Important note: Mexico is not the mass of filthy, illiterate, lice-ridden thieves and child-molesters with bargain-basement IQs as painted by the political Right. Yes, kids go to school. Yes, they can read, and no, they don’t attack their teachers with switchblades. Maybe in LA, but not here. If you are on the cautious side, it might take you half an hour to convince yourself of this. Otherwise, fifteen minutes.
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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Mexicans have enjoyed a nice run on the scheme that now under the 45th President is just in the nascent years of temperance to the fairness immigration plan ignored all along by Mexico and fairer to the rest of the world.
Real fairness of all the global non-Mexico immigration applicants cheated by Mexicans over the years "cutting in line" still has a long way to go though -
We've seen someone quote a person who has spent quite a lot of time there and someone who posted a poll saying that it is not. We know it cannot afford to be as socialist as the U.S., and we know for a fact it has far fewer regulations.
What you got besides sheer repetition of your position and pithy platitudes? Do you really think if you repeat yourself over and over we'll come around to your notions by sheer faith, or by the force of your stubborn will, regardless of the evidence?
You're like some eighty year olds I know who say Russia is obviously more socialist than the U.S., because their whole lives before they got senile, the USSR was a fact, and because they've been out of the workforce long enough to have no idea how much socialism has been imposed on us the last twenty years. You have no clue.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
just end “birthright citizenship” and all the beanies. End TPS. End the bring more low skill workers from other countries.
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From the article cited earlier by Ender:
Guns
Contrary to web mythology, the Mexican constitution (here) guarantees the right to own a gun for protection of one’s home. There are restrictions on caliber and types of weapon. In English, here. Generally speaking, the gun has to stay in your home. A friend of mine recently bought a thirty-eight from another person and registered it without difficulty with the army in Guad, which is required. The necessary form, here. Hunting weapons and those for use in shooting clubs are legal but restricted, as are carry permits.
The Bastiat Collection · FREE PDF · FREE EPUB · PAPER Frédéric Bastiat (1801-1850)
- "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law."
-- The Law (p. 54)- "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
-- Government (p. 99)- "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
-- Economic Sophisms - Second Series (p. 312)- "There are two principles that can never be reconciled - Liberty and Constraint."
-- Harmonies of Political Economy - Book One (p. 447)· tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito ·
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
*shrug* So is the US - or something sufficiently like it (such as fascistic socialism - but I repeat myself) as makes no real difference.
What was "cherry picked"?
Instead of answering acptulsa's lemonade-stand question, you asked which country was more likely to imprison you for owning a gun.
I quoted (without any commentary or expression of personal opinion on my part) a section of Fred Reed's article (the one that Ender originally cited, kicking off this particluar branch of the discussion) that was directly relevant to your question.
Mexico is like Europe, it is worse than America and it's fundamental philosophical history is tyrannical and communist.
His lemonade stand question is cherry picked, the fact that some jurisdictions in the US are more control freak than Mexico about enforcing licensing and regulations doesn't change the fact that Mexico is more communist.
Your response about guns was a technicality, Mexico's gun laws are much worse than most of America and you are much more likely to go to prison for having a gun.
The Mexican revolution was communist and they haven't changed.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
I have been to many places in Mexico. I'd rather walk around alone in NYC (which I do as in most any other US city) than Mexico City. Almost any US city, I know (where) I can walk around unmolested. Many coworkers have been brutally attacked within walking distance from the 5 star hotel we stay at in Mexico City. Many resort towns there are also dangerous if you leave the property of the resort. Most big cities in South/Latin America are particularly dangerous for a woman walking alone. I know this from personal contacts.
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