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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    They are pro-family, pro-gun, anti- abortion and more likely to be church going than the average American. We don't want values like that contaminating the white Christian USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Which means they're not much different than most Americans- a mixture of European and what-not.

    And, yes, Mexico is liberty oriented. The people, over-all, are a good, hard-working, family oriented culture. The doctors are some of the best in the world.

    Many Americans live there and are very happy with the easiness of life and the friendship of those around them.
    Fine. Agreed. Still no reason for illegal Mexico immigration to be favored or amnesty granted derailing the lawful, orderly immigration from other nations.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    They are pro-family, pro-gun, anti- abortion and more likely to be church going than the average American. We don't want values like that contaminating the white Christian USA.
    No nation should be allowed to produce lopsided immigration enough to "contaminate" whatever the values -
    immigration is about fairness to all creeds and colors, not acquiesce to some form of invasion and language change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan2017 View Post
    No nation should be allowed to produce lopsided immigration enough to "contaminate" whatever the values -
    immigration is about fairness to all creeds and colors, not acquiesce to some form of invasion and language change.
    What is the nature of this "contamination"? Their color? Their language? It isn't their values. Politicians also exploited Irish and German and Italian and many other immigrant groups to their own purposes- mainly scaring voters into electing them. The country didn't collapse- it prospered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan2017 View Post
    No nation should be allowed to produce lopsided immigration enough to "contaminate" whatever the values -
    immigration is about fairness to all creeds and colors, not acquiesce to some form of invasion and language change.
    So, all the stats that show that Mexico immigration has vastly decreased and they are not the among the main migrants, legal or illegal, to the US, means what to you exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    So, all the stats that show that Mexico immigration has vastly decreased and they are not the among the main migrants, legal or illegal, to the US, means what to you exactly?
    "I do not like them Mex-i-cans"


    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 03-29-2018 at 05:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The point is that none of the Mexican's cultural ancestors were superior to America.

    And as you pointed out it is all ancient history now anyway.
    Uh, Mexico was highly civilized around the founding of the colonies. They even had mandatory education- Tenochtitlan, now Mexico City, was one of the largest and most advanced cities in the world.

    Yes, they had sacrifices but Europe burned witches and gutted heroes like William Wallace, so there is a savage history on both sides.

    And, yes, it's history- and something everyone should get to know.
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  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Uh, Mexico was highly civilized around the founding of the colonies. They even had mandatory education- Tenochtitlan, now Mexico City, was one of the largest and most advanced cities in the world.

    Yes, they had sacrifices but Europe burned witches and gutted heroes like William Wallace, so there is a savage history on both sides.

    And, yes, it's history- and something everyone should get to know.
    LOL, the Aztecs are now morally equivalent to Christian Europe?

    Nobody was perfect but the Aztecs were sick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    They are pro-family, pro-gun, anti- abortion and more likely to be church going than the average American. We don't want values like that contaminating the white Christian USA.
    The mestizos? They hold big government values.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    The mestizos? They hold big government values.
    Whitey been voting all that bigger government we got today. And Hispanics are less likely to even bother to vote.

    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 03-29-2018 at 05:16 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL, the Aztecs are now morally equivalent to Christian Europe?

    Nobody was perfect but the Aztecs were sick.
    Many sacrifices were considered noble & were voluntary, much like the ancient Samurai.

    The Aztecs were warriors, this is true- but I'm sure that your version of Aztec "sickness" isn't any worse than killing millions of innocents by drones while you sit in comfy in your war office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Whitey been voting all that bigger government we got today.
    Have you seen Mexico's politics lately?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Many sacrifices were considered noble & were voluntary, much like the ancient Samurai.

    The Aztecs were warriors, this is true- but I'm sure that your version of Aztec "sickness" isn't any worse than killing millions of innocents by drones while you sit in comfy in your war office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    What is the nature of this "contamination"?
    "Contaminated" was your word choice Zip. . .
    I interpreted you to mean at the least a numerically unequal sort of "contamination" of any other nations immigration quota by some other nation.

    But, play the race card if ya' think it helps equal things - I don't see how
    with immigration quota from each other latino-population nation from Central America on is always under policy limitations for individual nations.
    Last edited by Jan2017; 03-29-2018 at 05:22 PM.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Have you seen Mexico's politics lately?
    Have you?

    Expat Mexico: Arróz by Any Other Name Would Smell Like Rice
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    I get a fair amount of mail wanting to know about expatriation to Mexico, whether it is a good idea, what it is like, and how to do it. I have consequently flung together the following to satisfy this curiosity. I hope it serves.

    The upside:

    Mexico is a friendly, courteous, flavorful country. It appeals to the mildly adventurous who are tired of the uniformity, political correctness, conformism, blandness, and growing authoritarianism of America. Many of the political hostilities that tear at the US do not exist here. There is a sense of age, of having a past, in countless towns each with a distinctive church and different architecture. It is not a mass culture. Endless miles of undestroyed beaches line, for example, the Michoacán coast near here. Mexico costs less than the US. And, yes, you can probably afford the services of a maid. If you are a single man, you will find the women more agreeable and much more feminine than American, and frequently beautiful. What CBS thinks.

    The downside:

    The political situation in Mexico is shaky with an uncertain future. Or maybe it is shaky–we have been hearing this for thirteen years, and so far nothing has shook. Corruption is rife. The narcos are as bad as you have heard and probably worse. This has no direct effect on expats as narcos have no interest in gringos, but it doesn’t add to the stability of the country. There are states where it is wisest not to go: probably nothing would happen but “probably” isn’t what most retirees want. The cops are crooks, and you will likely get hit for an occasional bribe. Many Mexicans, especially around concentrations of expats, try to swindle gringos, whom the lower classes believe to be rich. Traffic is bad and getting worse as the local population grows.

    Important note: Mexico is not the mass of filthy, illiterate, lice-ridden thieves and child-molesters with bargain-basement IQs as painted by the political Right. Yes, kids go to school. Yes, they can read, and no, they don’t attack their teachers with switchblades. Maybe in LA, but not here. If you are on the cautious side, it might take you half an hour to convince yourself of this. Otherwise, fifteen minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Whitey been voting all that bigger government we got today. And Hispanics are less likely to even bother to vote.

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  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Mexico is far more socialist than America and has fewer protections of basic human rights.
    You can put your leftarian propaganda in your pipe and smoke it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    So, all the stats that show that Mexico immigration has vastly decreased and they are not the among the main migrants, legal or illegal, to the US, means what to you exactly?
    Mexicans have enjoyed a nice run on the scheme that now under the 45th President is just in the nascent years of temperance to the fairness immigration plan ignored all along by Mexico and fairer to the rest of the world.

    Real fairness of all the global non-Mexico immigration applicants cheated by Mexicans over the years "cutting in line" still has a long way to go though -



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Mexico is far more socialist than America and has fewer protections of basic human rights.
    You can put your leftarian propaganda in your pipe and smoke it.
    We've seen someone quote a person who has spent quite a lot of time there and someone who posted a poll saying that it is not. We know it cannot afford to be as socialist as the U.S., and we know for a fact it has far fewer regulations.

    What you got besides sheer repetition of your position and pithy platitudes? Do you really think if you repeat yourself over and over we'll come around to your notions by sheer faith, or by the force of your stubborn will, regardless of the evidence?

    You're like some eighty year olds I know who say Russia is obviously more socialist than the U.S., because their whole lives before they got senile, the USSR was a fact, and because they've been out of the workforce long enough to have no idea how much socialism has been imposed on us the last twenty years. You have no clue.
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  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    We've seen someone quote a person who has spent quite a lot of time there and someone who posted a poll saying that it is not. We know it cannot afford to be as socialist as the U.S., and we know for a fact it has far fewer regulations.

    What you got besides sheer repetition of your position and pithy platitudes? Do you really think if you repeat yourself over and over we'll come around to your notions by sheer faith, or by the force of your stubborn will, regardless of the evidence?
    The evidence is their politicians who are almost outright communists as they have been since their revolution and their statist policies.
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  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The evidence is their politicians who are almost outright communists as they have been since their revolution and their statist policies.
    Still refuse to show your work? Or are we to take this 'evidence' on faith?

    Let's start small. In which country do you think it's easier for kids to operte a lemonade stand unmolested by the authorities?
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    fwiw, I guess there are Communist Party groups in every nation - including Mexico.
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  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Still refuse to show your work? Or are we to take this 'evidence' on faith?

    Let's start small. In which country do you think it's easier for kids to operte a lemonade stand unmolested by the authorities?
    In which country are you more likely to be sent to prison for owning a gun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Whitey been voting all that bigger government we got today. And Hispanics are less likely to even bother to vote.

    Whitey is our problem like a dysfunctional family member. I am personally offended that I even have to deal with this cross border bull$#@!. Weaponized migration programs weren't even on the radar until 1965.

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    just end “birthright citizenship” and all the beanies. End TPS. End the bring more low skill workers from other countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    In which country are you more likely to be sent to prison for owning a gun?
    From the article cited earlier by Ender:

    Guns

    Contrary to web mythology, the Mexican constitution (here) guarantees the right to own a gun for protection of one’s home. There are restrictions on caliber and types of weapon. In English, here. Generally speaking, the gun has to stay in your home. A friend of mine recently bought a thirty-eight from another person and registered it without difficulty with the army in Guad, which is required. The necessary form, here. Hunting weapons and those for use in shooting clubs are legal but restricted, as are carry permits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    From the article cited earlier by Ender:
    Mexico is a corrupt socialist country teetering on the edge of communism, no cherry picked details can change that.
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  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Mexico is a corrupt socialist country teetering on the edge of communism,
    *shrug* So is the US - or something sufficiently like it (such as fascistic socialism - but I repeat myself) as makes no real difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    no cherry picked details can change that.
    What was "cherry picked"?

    Instead of answering acptulsa's lemonade-stand question, you asked which country was more likely to imprison you for owning a gun.

    I quoted (without any commentary or expression of personal opinion on my part) a section of Fred Reed's article (the one that Ender originally cited, kicking off this particluar branch of the discussion) that was directly relevant to your question.

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    *shrug* So is the US - or something sufficiently like it (such as fascistic socialism - but I repeat myself) as makes no real difference.
    Mexico is like Europe, it is worse than America and it's fundamental philosophical history is tyrannical and communist.



    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    What was "cherry picked"?

    Instead of answering acptulsa's lemonade-stand question, you asked which country was more likely to imprison you for owning a gun.

    I quoted (without any commentary or expression of personal opinion on my part) a section of Fred Reed's article (the one that Ender originally cited, kicking off this particluar branch of the discussion) that was directly relevant to your question.
    His lemonade stand question is cherry picked, the fact that some jurisdictions in the US are more control freak than Mexico about enforcing licensing and regulations doesn't change the fact that Mexico is more communist.

    Your response about guns was a technicality, Mexico's gun laws are much worse than most of America and you are much more likely to go to prison for having a gun.

    The Mexican revolution was communist and they haven't changed.
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    I have been to many places in Mexico. I'd rather walk around alone in NYC (which I do as in most any other US city) than Mexico City. Almost any US city, I know (where) I can walk around unmolested. Many coworkers have been brutally attacked within walking distance from the 5 star hotel we stay at in Mexico City. Many resort towns there are also dangerous if you leave the property of the resort. Most big cities in South/Latin America are particularly dangerous for a woman walking alone. I know this from personal contacts.
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