Re: Johnson / OG paulbot got something to say

[Paulitical Correctness]

Regardless of your opinion on J/W, anyone who was around for the '08 Ron Paul run has to be at least marginally pleased by the fact that people are taking the time to examine and discuss libertarianism.

The average voter in 2008 asked "what the hell is a libertarian?"

Then in 2012 they said "those libertarians are whackos..."

Now in 2016, someone who incites minimal interest from Ron Paul purists is breaking double digit poll numbers, encouraging enough enthusiasm from first time donors to participate in a money bomb, and making former republicans and democrats take a closer look at their options.

Do you remember discovering Ron Paul? A lot of these Johnson supporters are undergoing the same transformation. Don't rain on their parade because they haven't had the focus and time to further delve into an entirely different political ideology. It all starts with "this guy sure is a breath of fresh air..."

This year's ticket may not be a breath of fresh air to many of us, but it's opening an entirely new block of voters to Ron Paul's version of libertarianism.

Instead of looking at Ron Paul's Liberty movement as this exclusive thing why not find a Johnson supporter and say "hey, you know who's even more awesome than Gary Johnson? Ron Paul."

I've seen hundreds of comments on the GJ Facebook pages that say things like "I've never donated to a political campaign but there's never been a candidate like this before!" and "lifelong republican here proudly casting my vote for Gary". Today they watched with excitement as his money bomb ticker rose. Sound familiar?

Maybe it's disappointing that a better candidate to represent a strong third choice wasn't put forward, but instead of being the typical libertarian pessimist why not take a step back and look at the opportunities that come with it. Ron Paul started all this as a movement of ideas didn't he? I'd say Gary's popularity is an indication that our ideas are winning, not that they have been hijacked.

[LibertyEagle]

Gary has nothing to do with "our ideals", or Ron Paul's. Johnson said he would sign the Trans Pacific Partnership. That makes him a traitor.

[Paulitical Correctness]

The point is people are fed up and looking for alternatives. Gary is not the torchbearer for Ron Paul by any means but the fact that people are giving the LP any attention at all is a good thing.

Dismantling the misconception that there are only two legitimate political parties in the country is a huge step in the right direction. I'm not telling you to support Johnson, I'm telling you to see his surge in popularity as an opportunity.

Part of the reason I never came back to these forums was because purists and cynical elitists seemed to undo any progress made. Just today I made a similar comment on another platform about the progress we've made as a whole and the first response was filled with cynicism and profanity.

You can "traitor" this and "nothing like Ron Paul" that all day long. It misses the point.

[69360]

Gary has nothing to do with "our ideals", or Ron Paul's. Johnson said he would sign the Trans Pacific Partnership. That makes him a traitor.

Enough already. Every single thread doesn't need your comments about TPP.

[satchelmcqueen]

Gary has nothing to do with "our ideals", or Ron Paul's. Johnson said he would sign the Trans Pacific Partnership. That makes him a traitor.

maybe so, but im not going to vote trump or clinton. this is our only "other" viable choice. he isnt perfect by far, and weld is horrible BUT got any other ideas? we all seriously better consider voting for johnson this one time to at the very least get rid of the other two. johnson is a good starting point if he wins the prez spot. the other two, nope, ...complete garbage and only more of the same, yet i think itll be way worse this time.

also lets not forget that johnson was the ONLY one in a past debate in the GOP that said he would pick ron paul as his vice. i respect him for saying it. the rest never would have and didnt.

[satchelmcqueen]

The point is people are fed up and looking for alternatives. Gary is not the torchbearer for Ron Paul by any means but the fact that people are giving the LP any attention at all is a good thing.

Dismantling the misconception that there are only two legitimate political parties in the country is a huge step in the right direction. I'm not telling you to support Johnson, I'm telling you to see his surge in popularity as an opportunity.

Part of the reason I never came back to these forums was because purists and cynical elitists seemed to undo any progress made. Just today I made a similar comment on another platform about the progress we've made as a whole and the first response was filled with cynicism and profanity.

You can "traitor" this and "nothing like Ron Paul" that all day long. It misses the point.

my point as well. johnson is our ONLY other option. he is way better than clinton or trump and would make a very good start to moving liberty forward. im just excited he may get into the debates. that alone might be enough for him to win once he gets to talk against the other two.

this getting into the national debates is the direct effect of our ron paul movements efforts over the last 8 years. if not for ron pauls surge in popularity and what he spoke about, this 3rd man in a debate would NOT be happening as it is now, so yes!, this has something to do with the ron paul movements seeds of liberty.

[Paulitical Correctness]

[CPUd]

Gary has nothing to do with "our ideals", or Ron Paul's. Johnson said he would sign the Trans Pacific Partnership. That makes him a traitor.

Take it to the evaluation thread:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...Ticket-(POTUS)

[eleganz]

Nobody is going to be perfect, I'm just happy third parties are being considered, its happened much faster than I ever thought possible, but then we got the miracle that is Trump this year.

We're never going to get the perfect candidate, the libertarian movement is way too splintered into different factions by level of purity. Nobody is ever going to be happy. GJ is not a bad guy, he has some of the issues wrong but he's right on a lot of things we care about and I'm realistically content with that.

[William Tell]

The average voter in 2008 asked "what the hell is a libertarian?"

Johnson/Weld make me ask that now....

[specsaregood]

my point as well. johnson is our ONLY other option. he is way better than clinton or trump and would make a very good start to moving liberty forward.

I disagree, he is just as bad if not worse than those other two and represents the death of the LP as anything ever worth supporting.

[LibertyEagle]

Enough already. Every single thread doesn't need your comments about TPP.

Yeah, it does. Apparently, you haven't read about it. When are you going to do that?

[CPUd]

Yeah, it does. Apparently, you haven't read about it. When are you going to do that?

Perhaps you should make your case why Johnson shouldn't be included in the liberty campaigns subforum :
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...Ticket-(POTUS)

[RJ Liberty]

Nobody is going to be perfect, I'm just happy third parties are being considered, its happened much faster than I ever thought possible, but then we got the miracle that is Trump this year.

We're never going to get the perfect candidate, the libertarian movement is way too splintered into different factions by level of purity. Nobody is ever going to be happy. GJ is not a bad guy, he has some of the issues wrong but he's right on a lot of things we care about and I'm realistically content with that.

Yep. Johnson's wrong on several issues, but he's right on at least 40 positions. That's good enough for me.

[The Gold Standard]

I don't care for Johnson, but I voted for him before, so I won't rain on anyone's parade that wants to do it now.

[NewRightLibertarian]

It's sad to watch a movement fall on the sword out of desperation, and that's what is happening to the liberty movement right now. I never thought the Ron Paul revolution would turn into a sad, lifeless movement of cowards willing to sell out their principles for a pat on the head from the mainstream media. Beyond tragic.

[jllundqu]

Gary has nothing to do with "our ideals", or Ron Paul's. Johnson said he would sign the Trans Pacific Partnership. That makes him a traitor.

Jesus Christ with this traitor thing again..... TPP! TRAITOR!!!! I'm gonna make LE a personal meme to save some freaking time....

[Natural Citizen]

Jesus Christ with this traitor thing again..... TPP! TRAITOR!!!! I'm gonna make LE a personal meme to save some freaking time....

But she's right. The TPP is an illegal transfer of power. Patently.

So now we're going to illegally transfer power from the people to the President and special interests behind closed doors in secret while we also send men from the government with guns to force Individuals to relinquish their rights to their property. We're going to force them at gunpoint to relinquish the fundamental principal support that provides for any right of claim to Individual Liberty and Life itself, and we're going to also illegally transfer power from them in secret. In Liberty, we're going to do that.

Yeah. Heh. A real champion of Individual Liberty, that Johnson guy.

But, hey. Fahgettaboudit. Pass the joint around. Flip on some porn. That'll make the pain go away. Party it up, boys. And tell your friends, too. Pay no mind to that gun at the back of your head telling you what to think and what to do. It's there in Liberty . ..nothing to see there. Move along. Toke toke. Laugh it up.

[Natural Citizen]

Btw, the statesman correctly agrees....

[Natural Citizen]

Bunch of sellouts around here these days.

The Founders hanged traitors. They wouldn't even have sacrificed the fine workmanship of a slug on them. Nor would they have provided them its common dignity.

[specsaregood]

Bunch of sellouts around here these days.

Be careful now NC; we are in the era of Gary Johnson Libertarianism, where you can do whatever you want as long as don't: hurt, offend, minorly irritate, bother, or look cross-eyed at other people, especially protected classes of people. And name-calling CERTAINLY will not be tolerated.

[Paulitical Correctness]

And that quickly I'm reminded me of why I left this $#@!hole to begin with. Enjoy your "inclusive" movement. I'm sure you'll get all those converts acting like that.

I wish the old guard of RP activists could be a little more open to actually growing their own movement instead of waiting for candidates and supporters who align with them on 99% of issues to just show up on their own.

Good luck ladies and germs!

[Natural Citizen]

Later.

[Natural Citizen]

Be careful now NC; we are in the era of Gary Johnson Libertarianism, where you can do whatever you want as long as don't: hurt, offend, minorly irritate, bother, or look cross-eyed at other people, especially protected classes of people. And name-calling CERTAINLY will not be tolerated.

Well. I dont know, specs. Somebody's gotta have the fortitude to call a spade a spade around here. I'll be darned if I'm going to stand around cheerleading for Individual Liberty's openly admitted aggressor. And I sure as heck wouldn't do so in Liberty's name. I don't really care if anyone doesn't like to hear the truth. Somebody has to say it.

[Paulitical Correctness]

The old Ron Paul wing of the Liberty movement is full of pompous d-bags. Enjoy staying at 1% and making zero impact on the future of our country. It's cool though, you can bitch and moan about how you called it all along without ever having done anything to help. Stay on your sinking ship, asshat!

[William Tell]

Hey, if GJ actually gets new people to embrace liberty, property rights, etc that's cool. Although he himself doesn't understand or believe in many of the things RP did. I haven't heard anyone say GJ cured my apathy, but I suppose they may be out there.

Weld doesn't embrace liberty at all. He's not good on anything.

[Natural Citizen]

Hey, if GJ actually gets new people to embrace liberty, property rights, etc that's cool.

Well. Doesn't seem like an open contention that sending men from the government with guns to force Individuals or groups of Individuals to relinquish their right to property is a very practical way to teach people to embrace property rights or liberty. Seems like that philosophy is actually teaching people that property rights and liberty should be rejected fully. That's a communist philosophy. Patently. Of course, the right to property is the principal support for Life and Liberty itself. So, technically, by popularizing a rejection of
Individual Liberty's principal support, he's teaching people to reject Individual Liberty fully. And he's doing so in Liberty, no less.

But wuheva. If someone can explain to me how I'm wrong and that sending men from the government with guns to force Individuals at the end of their barrels to relinquish their right to Individual Liberty's principal support is embracing Liberty, then, by all means, I'm open for correction.

We can set that little thing about illegally transferring power from the people solely to the President aside for the time being. That's something else.

[Natural Citizen]

The old Ron Paul wing of the Liberty movement is full of pompous d-bags. Enjoy staying at 1% and making zero impact on the future of our country. It's cool though, you can bitch and moan about how you called it all along without ever having done anything to help. Stay on your sinking ship, asshat!

I thought you were leaving.

[specsaregood]

I thought you were leaving.

Maybe he got lost looking for his safe space.

[satchelmcqueen]

ok so whats the choice then? i wont vote trump or hillary. there is no one else other than johnson with the ability to be on all state ballots. sooo, what am i supposed to do? johnson and weld arent perfect, but it seems like some of you here have no forward thinking. trust me, if rand was an option id vote for him without a doubt. if ron was an option...the same.

so who are you going to vote for? the ones who hate all 3, please tell me your secret candidate that has a real chance of getting into these debates. and i am NOT a traitor to this ron paul thing. $#@!ing hell, i never thought id be classified as such by some of you after god damn 9 years of knowing me here.