'We are not calling for the slaughter of white people - at least for now'

[Anti Federalist]

Yep, majorities naturally oppress minorities; whether the minority is defined by race, religion, income, etc is incidental.

Won't get an argument from me on that.

Which minority is oppressed does make a difference, however, in the long term health and progress of a society.

If you oppress or run a genocide against the most productive and intelligent minority, you'll set your society back years.

Witness Rhodesia (h/t to @Kilrain), or Cuba, or Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge regime for example.

[DamianTV]

I see no reason whatsoever that it could not happen here just as easily.

Thats why you are smarter than 99% of other people. They genuinely believe it wont happen here because teh MSM says it to be, thus, it is the gospel truth.

[Kilrain]

I have long lost relations from Norway that are seeing the same thing, but perhaps not as bad.

What, in your opinion, went wrong in Sweden, if you had to put your finger on one single issue?

Yeah, we're far ahead of our neighbors on this one, as in the process is much further along in Sweden, and there's less willingness to even admit the current problems, let alone think about what will happen in the future. If I had to speculate, that may have something to do with us being able to stay out of WWII. In a way, we may have had it too good here and grown way too soft. Norway and Denmark were both occupied by the Germans and Finland of course had to fight first the Soviets and then the Germans.

As far as what went wrong, the short and easy answer is that it's self-inflicted. We've basically imported people, allowing pretty much anyone to come here and be given free everything - food, homes, education, healthcare, etc. Kind of an obvious pull factor when you can increase your standard of living X times over and all you have to do is show up.

There's also the problem that we've been fed for a long time the notion that all people are the same - not equal, the same - and that anyone can adapt to our society. And while it's possible to "integrate" one person into a community of 10,000, it's not possible to "integrate" 100,000 people into a community of one million. They just form their own parallel society, while feeding off of the native population in terms of resources. Because people are tribal and will usually band together with "their own kind" whenever possible. The people who come here don't want to become "Swedish", they don't come here for our wonderful climate and sunny dispositions. They come here because we have stuff.

[dannno]

Yeah, we're far ahead of our neighbors on this one, as in the process is much further along in Sweden, and there's less willingness to even admit the current problems, let alone think about what will happen in the future. If I had to speculate, that may have something to do with us being able to stay out of WWII. In a way, we may have had it too good here and grown way too soft. Norway and Denmark were both occupied by the Germans and Finland of course had to fight first the Soviets and then the Germans.

As far as what went wrong, the short and easy answer is that it's self-inflicted. We've basically imported people, allowing pretty much anyone to come here and be given free everything - food, homes, education, healthcare, etc. Kind of an obvious pull factor when you can increase your standard of living X times over and all you have to do is show up.

There's also the problem that we've been fed for a long time the notion that all people are the same - not equal, the same - and that anyone can adapt to our society. And while it's possible to "integrate" one person into a community of 10,000, it's not possible to "integrate" 100,000 people into a community of one million. They just form their own parallel society, while feeding off of the native population in terms of resources. Because people are tribal and will usually band together with "their own kind" whenever possible. The people who come here don't want to become "Swedish", they don't come here for our wonderful climate and sunny dispositions. They come here because we have stuff.

Do all of the immigrants get tempurpedic mattresses?

That's a pretty good reason.

I hope that doesn't end up being their downfall..

[Swordsmyth]

Yeah, we're far ahead of our neighbors on this one, as in the process is much further along in Sweden, and there's less willingness to even admit the current problems, let alone think about what will happen in the future. If I had to speculate, that may have something to do with us being able to stay out of WWII. In a way, we may have had it too good here and grown way too soft. Norway and Denmark were both occupied by the Germans and Finland of course had to fight first the Soviets and then the Germans.

As far as what went wrong, the short and easy answer is that it's self-inflicted. We've basically imported people, allowing pretty much anyone to come here and be given free everything - food, homes, education, healthcare, etc. Kind of an obvious pull factor when you can increase your standard of living X times over and all you have to do is show up.

There's also the problem that we've been fed for a long time the notion that all people are the same - not equal, the same - and that anyone can adapt to our society. And while it's possible to "integrate" one person into a community of 10,000, it's not possible to "integrate" 100,000 people into a community of one million. They just form their own parallel society, while feeding off of the native population in terms of resources. Because people are tribal and will usually band together with "their own kind" whenever possible. The people who come here don't want to become "Swedish", they don't come here for our wonderful climate and sunny dispositions. They come here because we have stuff.

I would recommend leaving while you still can, if the "refugees" don't take over and start killing the natives it will most likely be the result of a "far right" uprising just before they do, if that happens you could end up with a NAZI like regime.

[timosman]

I would recommend leaving while you still can, if the "refugees" don't take over and start killing the natives it will most likely be the result of a "far right" uprising just before they do, if that happens you could end up with a NAZI like regime.

Let's not fall into despair.

[goldenequity]

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[r3volution 3.0]

Won't get an argument from me on that.

Which minority is oppressed does make a difference, however, in the long term health and progress of a society.

If you oppress or run a genocide against the most productive and intelligent minority, you'll set your society back years.

Witness Rhodesia (h/t to @Kilrain), or Cuba, or Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge regime for example.

If we're talking about socialistic-type oppression, it's always the most productive and intelligent being oppressed, regardless of race.

If there were no whites in S. Africa, they'd be going after the richest and most successful blacks.

[Ender]

Have friends who moved to Sweden a couple of years ago and love it. They say they feel much freer there than in the US and doubt they will ever come back.

[Swordsmyth]

Have friends who moved to Sweden a couple of years ago and love it. They say they feel much freer there than in the US and doubt they will ever come back.

Good riddance, maybe you should join them.

[timosman]

Have friends who moved to Sweden a couple of years ago and love it. They say they feel much freer there than in the US and doubt they will ever come back.

We have the best propaganda. People jump to each other's throats at the slightest sign of disagreement.

[dannno]

Have friends who moved to Sweden a couple of years ago and love it. They say they feel much freer there than in the US and doubt they will ever come back.

Financial freedom? Gun rights? Medical freedom? What kinda freedom are we talkin here?

[r3volution 3.0]

Financial freedom? Gun rights? Medical freedom? What kinda freedom are we talkin here?

Heritage Economic Freedom Index
Sweden 15th
US 18th

https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

Cato Human Freedom Index (higher number = more free)
Sweden 8.48
US 8.39

https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index

International Property Rights Index
Sweden 3rd
US 14th

https://www.internationalpropertyrig....org/countries

Ease of Doing Business Index
US 6th
Sweden 10th

http://www.doingbusiness.org/rankings

[Swordsmyth]

Financial freedom? Gun rights? Medical freedom? What kinda freedom are we talkin here?

Maybe freedom of speech?Sweden Goes Full Orwellian Totalitarian

[Swordsmyth]

Heritage Economic Freedom Index
Sweden 15th
US 18th

https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

Cato Human Freedom Index (higher number = more free)
Sweden 8.48
US 8.39

https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index

International Property Rights Index
Sweden 3rd
US 14th

https://www.internationalpropertyrig....org/countries

Ease of Doing Business Index
US 6th
Sweden 10th

http://www.doingbusiness.org/rankings

BUNK

[r3volution 3.0]

BUNK

Why's that?

P.S. Another one to throw into the mix...

Corruption Perceptions Index (1st = least corrupt)
Sweden 6th
US 16th

https://www.transparency.org/news/fe...ons_index_2017

[dannno]

Maybe freedom of speech?Sweden Goes Full Orwellian Totalitarian

What are you talking about? Refugees are free to get free housing, free ipads and a monthly stipend, who cares about free speech?

[Swordsmyth]

Why's that?

P.S. Another one to throw into the mix...

Corruption Perceptions Index (1st = least corrupt)
Sweden 6th
US 16th

https://www.transparency.org/news/fe...ons_index_2017

Sweden is a socialist hellhole.

[r3volution 3.0]

Sweden is a socialist hellhole.

Right, that's your assertion, but I'm asking you to support it with something.

Why are the indices I posted (based on analysis of regulations, taxes, spending, etc in the countries in question) wrong?

What's your counter-evidence?

[Swordsmyth]

Right, that's your assertion, but I'm asking you to support it with something.

Why are the indices I posted (based on analysis of regulations, taxes, spending, etc in the countries in question) wrong?

What's your counter-evidence?

My counter evidence is that all those indices are designed to promote socialist authoritarian countries as being better than the US, none of them can be trusted.

[r3volution 3.0]

My counter evidence is that all those indices are designed to promote socialist authoritarian countries as being better than the US, none of them can be trusted.

...which assertion you base on what?

[Swordsmyth]

...which assertion you base on what?

Facts, our country is less socialist and less authoritarian, we have a Bill of Rights they do not.

[Kilrain]

Sweden is a socialist hellhole.

It’s hard to explain, but Sweden is both very free and very oppressive. The thing to understand is that Swedes are extremely conformist, there is a strict framework which you have to operate in, but within that framework it’s a very permissive culture. Try to imagine a socialist Mayfield, if that makes any sense. Or at least that’s how it was.

It’s also a very segregated country, meaning that the problems are mostly contained to certain areas, only more and more areas are being affected as the immigrant population increases. Immigrants start moving into an area-->Swedes start moving out. But it’s still possible to find Mayfields if you have the financial means to do so. For example, we’ve lived in our current home for about ten years, a community of roughly 2,000 people not far from Stockholm, and I have yet to see a single cop car anywhere close to where we live.

[r3volution 3.0]

Facts, our country is less socialist and less authoritarian

Those would be your conclusions, asserted again, not facts to support them.

we have a Bill of Rights they do not.

And a good thing we do. Why, otherwise the government might spy on us sans warrants, imprison us indefinitely sans trial, or usurp, oh, say, all of the powers of the states and people respectively.. Hilarity aside, the only portions of the BoR actually followed in the US, for which there's no analogue in Sweden is the 2nd amendment. On the 1st, the Swedes do prosecute "hate speech," but it's hardly Stalinst type censorship, and we're on the verge of the same thing in any event.

[Swordsmyth]

It’s hard to explain, but Sweden is both very free and very oppressive. The thing to understand is that Swedes are extremely conformist, there is a strict framework which you have to operate in, but within that framework it’s a very permissive culture. Try to imagine a socialist Mayfield, if that makes any sense. Or at least that’s how it was.

It’s also a very segregated country, meaning that the problems are mostly contained to certain areas, only more and more areas are being affected as the immigrant population increases. Immigrants start moving into an area-->Swedes start moving out. But it’s still possible to find Mayfields if you have the financial means to do so. For example, we’ve lived in our current home for about ten years, a community of roughly 2,000 people not far from Stockholm, and I have yet to see a single cop car anywhere close to where we live.

I'm sure you know better than I would about Sweden, I'm also sure that specific location means a lot, there is a world of difference between US states and between counties and cities in each state, but Sweden has officially adopted socialism and government without fundamental limits, those have not yet been officially adopted as part of American political philosophy even though the left has been trying for generations.

[Kilrain]

but it's hardly Stalinst type censorship

It actually kind of is. We have organized groups of internet vigilantes who try to link posts on social media to specific individuals and then report them to the police. Also, the way hate speech laws work here means that you only get prosecuted if you say something bad about the "wrong" group. In theory, the hate speech laws are supposed to apply to all ethnicities, but you only get prosecuted if you say something about the "wrong" ethnicity. Norwegians are okay to make fun of, Somalis are not.

[r3volution 3.0]

Another figure to think about, as far as comparative 'authoritarianism' goes...

Prison Population Per 100,000:
Sweden 53
US 666

The average American is more than 10x more likely to be imprisoned by his government than the average Swede.

[Swordsmyth]

Those would be your conclusions, asserted again, not facts to support them.



And a good thing we do. Why, otherwise the government might spy on us sans warrants, imprison us indefinitely sans trial, or usurp, oh, say, all of the powers of the states and people respectively.. Hilarity aside, the only portions of the BoR actually followed in the US, for which there's no analogue in Sweden is the 2nd amendment. On the 1st, the Swedes do prosecute "hate speech," but it's hardly Stalinst type censorship, and we're on the verge of the same thing in any event.

It's true that the Bill of Rights is not firing on all cylinders but it still limits the abuses, Sweden is only limited by the mood of the herd as manipulated by the shepherds.

[r3volution 3.0]

It actually kind of is. We have organized groups of internet vigilantes who try to link posts on social media to specific individuals and then report them to the police. Also, the way hate speech laws work here means that you only get prosecuted if you say something bad about the "wrong" group. In theory, the hate speech laws are supposed to apply to all ethnicities, but you only get prosecuted if you say something about the "wrong" ethnicity. Norwegians are okay to make fun of, Somalis are not.

I appreciate that they prosecute "hate speech" pretty vigorously.

I mean that the censorship is pretty narrowly targeted.

Apart from overly strident culture war comments, is any other speech censored?

Could Ron give a speech on the street corner brutally condemning socialism and calling for absolute laissez faire?

[Swordsmyth]

Another figure to think about, as far as comparative 'authoritarianism' goes...

Prison Population Per 100,000:
Sweden 53
US 666

The average American is more than 10x more likely to be imprisoned by his government than the average Swede.

That is because they buy off their people and have trained them to obey orders better, neither one is a good thing.