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    Totalitarians Working to Crush Homeschooling in America

    Perhaps inspired by the murderous regimes of National Socialist Adolf Hitler and International Socialists such as Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong, American totalitarians are quietly working to subvert homeschooling and educational liberty in the United States. From state legislatures to the U.S. Supreme Court, parental rights and other fundamental liberties are directly in the cross-hairs.

    In New York State, for example, in response to a fiendish drive by Big Pharma-funded politicians to enforce mandatory vaccinations, there has been a surge in parents choosing to homeschool. According to media reports, some areas have seen growth in home-education numbers of more than 50 percent in just one year, even more dramatic than the steady growth being seen elsewhere. Bureaucrats and politicians are outraged.

    To deal with it, there is now a move involving the New York legislature and state education bureaucrats to “outlaw homeschooling,” explained New York Assemblyman David DiPietro during a meeting with citizens in Warsaw, adding that half a million residents may flee the state if the scheming continues. “Even if it is unconstitutional, legislators don’t care. … Corruption drips off the walls in Albany.”

    Also in New York State, officials are persecuting Orthodox Jewish communities, even threatening to close down their schools — known as Yeshivas — if they do not teach what government mandates. Similar demands on Christian and other independent schools, especially if they take even a penny of government money, are coming soon, experts have warned. California is also on the front lines of the battle.

    In Sweden, government first lured all private schools into accepting tax money under the guise of promoting “school choice.” However, by 2012, the rat trap slammed shut, with authorities demanding that all the so-called “free schools” on the government dole ban prayer, start teaching the extremist government curriculum, and more. Homeschooling was banned in the same legislation, causing an exodus of “school refugees” to Finland and other nations that respect basic human rights.

    Meanwhile, a key U.S. Supreme Court decision upholding parental rights, educational freedom, and religious liberty is now being targeted, too. The 1972 ruling, known as Wisconsin v. Yoder, examined the question of whether the Amish people's parental and religious rights trumped a state statute purporting to mandate government-approved “education” at a government-approved “school” for as long as government demanded. SCOTUS ruled in favor of the Amish.

    Now, statist activists are seeking to overturn that crucial precedent. At a conference held recently at the Columbia University — infamous for its Frankfurt School perverts, the quack socialist “educator” John Dewey, CIA Project MKUltra, and other horrors — strategists plotted how to defeat parental rights and educational liberty by getting Yoder reversed.

    At the summit, one of many planned during an upcoming 30-state tour, the schemers also announced that they had found a collection of plaintiffs to sue in an effort to overturn the pro-liberty opinion from 1972. They argue that a government-approved “education” is actually “a federal right for all children” that takes precedence over the fundamental, God-given rights enshrined in the First Amendment and beyond.



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    Gotta love articles filled with trigger words. The op-ed starts off with "Perhaps inspired" and keeps on trolling.

    We could have a rational debate on government involvement in schools, perhaps the pros and cons of a state test to get a diploma, or we just rant.
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    https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/11...t-communities/
    Overturning WI v. Yoder: Making Education a Federal Right for All Children (and Bringing the MeToo Movement to Fundamentalist Communities)

    However, the world has changed since 1972. Although the majority opinion in Yoder described the ways in which the Amish, even with their limited education, were productive members of society, the talk by Michael Rebell, Executive Director of the Campaign for Educational Equity at Teachers College, Columbia University and the Keynote Speaker at the conference, brought out the need for today’s Amish to understand technology and issues such as climate change and civics in order to exercise their constitutional rights of voting and even freedom of speech.
    By "Right" the Counterpunch author means mandate.

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    While working at the Iowa capital, they introduced and had a pure hatred for those who homeschooled or refused vaccines

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    The totalitarians better not win on this front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpitcher View Post
    Gotta love articles filled with trigger words. The op-ed starts off with "Perhaps inspired" and keeps on trolling.

    We could have a rational debate on government involvement in schools, perhaps the pros and cons of a state test to get a diploma, or we just rant.
    Yes, lots of trigger words. But can you deny the government is hell bent on indoctrinating kids?
    "The Patriarch"

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    Aren't freedom lovers, who cloak themselves in freedom, but are just religious enthusiasts and conservative types. I wouldn't trust these home school agendas. Just a way to teach students about what they want to only teach them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    Aren't freedom lovers, who cloak themselves in freedom, but are just religious enthusiasts and conservative types. I wouldn't trust these home school agendas. Just a way to teach students about what they want to only teach them.
    And who has more of a say in the matter? The parents or the state? It's really really creepy to think the state.
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    If the government mandates schooling for all children and, further, compels them to attend government schools, then does the government effectively assume a duty to educate the youth well? I believe so. I also believe that this duty is being breached and on a nearly unimaginable scale.

    The data is clear: despite spending more per capita than almost any other country on earth, the United States educational system is average or bad. Now, other countries that spend far less (per capita and in gross) do a far better job of educating their young. This information isn't secret and it indicates two things: 1. the government tailored and mandated system does not adhere to 'best practices.' and 2. the bureaucrats in charge of education from the federal to the state level are aware of this fact.

    I think the US government should be embroiled in a massive class action lawsuit, not for money, but for a reform in pedagogy so that it doesn't, by mandate, produce another generation wide crop of half-educated wretches.

    So, does the federal government have a duty? The establishment of the DoE could indicate the assumption of a duty, could it not? Did it breach that duty? Well, proof is in the pudding, as they say. Was the breach of that duty the proximate cause of an injury? Failing to educate people adequately could be a psychological injury. Damages? Well, lots of Johnnies spent the best learning years of their lives forced into this system for which they are unfit, preventing them from obtaining a superior education elsewhere in that critical time period, and these Johnnies will all likely suffer significant decreases in lifetime earning potential because of this.

    Just something I am thinking about. Again, not for money. But to illustrate the importance of homeschooling--particularly in a nation that compels education and then provides a decidedly mediocre or inferior form of it.

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    So, while indoctrination is, alas, one of the goals of compulsory schooling (might be called socialization by some that tend toward disingenuous euphemisms) it isn't the only result: People are being forced to spend the learning years nonpareil of their lives in a program that is, beyond being of dubious, proven to be of inferior quality. Many, perhaps, get the desired dose of ideology, but most(even if by some miracle they keep their minds unfettered) receive a demonstrably sub-par education, and worse: one that is understood to be subpar AS IT IS DELIVERED.

    Mandated education constitutes a pincer attack on the spirit of liberty as it inhabits the human mind: First, it directs it; second, it truncates it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    Aren't freedom lovers, who cloak themselves in freedom, but are just religious enthusiasts and conservative types. I wouldn't trust these home school agendas. Just a way to teach students about what they want to only teach them.
    You paint brush all homeschoolers.....interesting....


    Republican guy huh? Let me guess you voted McCain and Romney too?

    Tell me more how parents shouldn't decide their children's fate or curriculum....

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    One day parents whose children do not attend sanctioned schools will be fined and jailed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon4liberty View Post
    While working at the Iowa capital, they introduced and had a pure hatred for those who homeschooled or refused vaccines
    That is the REAL reason being pushed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Yes, lots of trigger words. But can you deny the government is hell bent on indoctrinating kids?
    Perhaps, although I went to a catholic school and that obviously had indoctrination in there but most likely different than the public schools have. Some of the schools mentioned in the OP appear to fail to even teach the rudiments of the 3Rs and that does appear to be a failure for the whole concept of school. A variety of schools, public and private, produce graduates who can't even read or write. At what point does the term school stop being applicable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jon4liberty View Post
    You paint brush all homeschoolers.....interesting....


    Republican guy huh? Let me guess you voted McCain and Romney too?

    Tell me more how parents shouldn't decide their children's fate or curriculum....
    He also painted all politicians and bureaucrats as enlightened and caring.
    ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    Aren't freedom lovers, who cloak themselves in freedom, but are just religious enthusiasts and conservative types. I wouldn't trust these home school agendas. Just a way to teach students about what they want to only teach them.
    Why are you even here? Everything you do is attacking Libertarians,christians,Conservatives & white people!
    The Government run schools teach Kids to be Communists!
    Its time to abolish the Dep. of Education!



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    Quote Originally Posted by jon4liberty View Post
    You paint brush all homeschoolers.....interesting....


    Republican guy huh? Let me guess you voted McCain and Romney too?

    Tell me more how parents shouldn't decide their children's fate or curriculum....
    He doesn't live in the US, he's a Brit if I remember correctly.
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    Oh, man, totalitarians? That sounds bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jon4liberty View Post
    You paint brush all homeschoolers.....interesting....


    Republican guy huh? Let me guess you voted McCain and Romney too?

    Tell me more how parents shouldn't decide their children's fate or curriculum....
    He claims to be a brit.

    His "republicanism" is "red republicanism" which is basically communism.
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Originally Posted by jon4liberty

    While working at the Iowa capital, they introduced and had a pure hatred for those who homeschooled or refused vaccines
    That is the REAL reason being pushed.
    Which is why we have a poster in this thread trying to downplay this who also tried to downplay forced vaccinations.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy View Post
    Why are you even here? Everything you do is attacking Libertarians,christians,Conservatives & white people!
    The Government run schools teach Kids to be Communists!
    Its time to abolish the Dep. of Education!
    No, religion teaches people to be indoctrinated, tribal, morally superior, smug. There is nothing good about home schooling when it includes, blind faith. You'd never call a child of the parents who vote for a party at an election, now would you.

    Home schooling is for parents who have a child who doesn't fit in at a school, for what ever reason, it isn't really intended to provide the education of now. Nobody just thinks being taught from home is necessarily bad, but it isn't a real education.

    Stop the divisive tribalism. Your war, should be inspired from the Marxists, who despised the wealthy, today they are the super rich, pissing on everybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He claims to be a brit.

    His "republicanism" is "red republicanism" which is basically communism.
    More Brit supremacist type,, He posted his "Uniform" in the past... National Socialism is still socialism.
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    How many home schooled people do you know. RG?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post

    Your war, should be inspired from the Marxists, who despised the wealthy, today they are the super rich, pissing on everybody.
    Marxs was a Lazy schemer that was supported his whole lifetime by the very folks he despised.

    He would have(should have) died starving in a gutter,, but for the Benevolence of a wealthy patron..
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    @euphemia
    How many home schooled people do you know. RG?
    Obviously, no one.
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    RG, I seem to recall you did not like school and you struggled. You seem not to understand social conventions and how to take part in a discussion or sympathize with people. You might be a different person today if you had a home school experience. The one-on-one model works very well for students.
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