Ever read the preamble to the Russian Constituion?

[HVACTech]

it is really pretty interesting.

We, the multinational people of the Russian Federation, united by a common fate on our land, establishing human rights and freedoms, civic peace and accord, preserving the historically established state unity, proceeding from the universally recognized principles of equality and self-determination of peoples, revering the memory of ancestors who have conveyed to us the love for the Fatherland, belief in the good and justice, reviving the sovereign statehood of Russia and asserting the firmness of its democratic basic, striving to ensure the well-being and prosperity of Russia, proceeding from the responsibility for our Fatherland before the present and future generations, recognizing ourselves as part of the world community, adopt the CONSTITUTION OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION.
http://www.constitution.ru/en/10003000-01.htm

lets compare that to our own. shall we?

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
http://constitutioncenter.org/intera...amble/preamble

are they both equally bad ideas?
they both pertain to Federations. ( I don't think China is a Federation.)(but they DO have a Constitution)
which one do you like better?

[pcosmar]

it is really pretty interesting.

We, the multinational people of the Russian Federation, united by a common fate on our land, establishing human rights and freedoms, civic peace and accord, preserving the historically established state unity, proceeding from the universally recognized principles of equality and self-determination of peoples, revering the memory of ancestors who have conveyed to us the love for the Fatherland, belief in the good and justice, reviving the sovereign statehood of Russia and asserting the firmness of its democratic basic, striving to ensure the well-being and prosperity of Russia, proceeding from the responsibility for our Fatherland before the present and future generations, recognizing ourselves as part of the world community, adopt the CONSTITUTION OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION.
http://www.constitution.ru/en/10003000-01.htm

lets compare that to our own. shall we?

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
http://constitutioncenter.org/intera...amble/preamble

are they both equally bad ideas?
they both pertain to Federations. ( I don't think China is a Federation.)(but they DO have a Constitution)
which one do you like better?

We were supposed to be a Republic ,, not a Federation.

a lady asked Dr. Franklin “Well Doctor what have we got, a republic or a monarchy.” Franklin replied, “A republic . . . if you can keep it.”

and then some $#@! happened.

[HVACTech]

We were supposed to be a Republic ,, not a Federation.


and then some $#@! happened.

I am not so sure that AF would agree with your sentiments...

"It must be acknowledged that the term republic is of very vague application in every language... Were I to assign to this term a precise and definite idea, I would say purely and simply it means a government by its citizens in mass, acting directly and personally according to rules established by the majority; and that every other government is more or less republican in proportion as it has in its composition more or less of this ingredient of direct action of the citizens. Such a government is evidently restrained to very narrow limits of space and population. I doubt if it would be practicable beyond the extent of a New England township." --Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1816. ME 15:19

is this a good idea? @Anti Federalist
should "Rules" be placed on a Democracy?

[P3ter_Griffin]

Definitely the US version.

[pcosmar]

is this a good idea?
should "Rules" be placed on a Democracy?

Of course it is a good idea. The Bill of Rights is such a list of rules that a simple majority cannot vote to change.

[HVACTech]

Of course it is a good idea. The Bill of Rights is such a list of rules that a simple majority cannot vote to change.

if I am not mistaken Sir. this is the very definition of what a "Republic" is.
"Rules" placed on a democracy.

if you place "Rules" on a Democracy.... it is no longer a Democracy...

[phill4paul]

Words. All. Pablum. Nothing more.

[pcosmar]

if I am not mistaken Sir. this is the very definition of what a "Republic" is.
"Rules" placed on a democracy.

if you place "Rules" on a Democracy.... it is no longer a Democracy...

GOOD.
Democracy is not that great. if you are the minority. it needs restraint.

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch."

[Anti Federalist]

Of course it is a good idea. The Bill of Rights is such a list of rules that a simple majority cannot vote to change.

HVACTech thinks the bill of rights was for pussies, and ruined the CONstitution.

[Anti Federalist]

Of course it is a good idea. The Bill of Rights is such a list of rules that a simple majority cannot vote to change.

HVACTech thinks the bill of rights was for pussies, and ruined the CONstitution.

[otherone]

Words. All. Pablum. Nothing more.

[HVACTech]

HVACTech thinks the bill of rights was for pussies, and ruined the CONstitution.

negative Sir. I REALLY am a commercial HVACTech.
(that should have been warning enough for you)

why would YOU think that I do not understand "controls" ?


to understand "controls" it is necessary to understand what you are trying to control.

sweetie.