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Robert Heinlein
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Congress delegated powers to the President, we might not like that but it is how the system currently operates.
The Constitution says Congress can regulate foreign trade and they passed a rule saying "in an emergency (as determined by the President unless overruled by Congress) You must do what the President says."
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
A branch of government cannot delegate to another branch to do their job. Congress cannot tell the President to make laws, the Judiciary cannot authorize the President to convict or acquit, and the President cannot designate Congress or the Judiciary to execute laws.
The Constitution was written with checks and balances. The Framers gave certain powers to certain branches.
The Doctrine of Non-Delegation utterly prohibits any branch from delegating their authority to another branch.
We don’t get to just ignore the Constitution whenever it becomes inconvenient and as long as it’s “our side” doing the ignoring.
That is not how the current system operates, that is how the current system breaks the law. The fundamental principle of a Constitutional Republic is the Rule Of Law. Anyone who advocates for a lawless government is neither a little C constitutionalist, nor a little R republican. Idolatry of the state cannot fill the void left from a complete lack of actual conservatism.we might not like that but it is how the system currently operates.
Congress.The Constitution says Congress can regulate foreign trade
Congress could pass a law repealing gravity tomorrow, and literally nothing will change. It is unconstitutional for a branch to delegate their powers to another branch. Just because one part of the Constitution was broken in the past doesn’t mean we need to break another part of the Constitution today.and they passed a rule saying "in an emergency (as determined by the President unless overruled by Congress) You must do what the President says."
And your making enemies out of people, on Ron Paul Forums, who advocate for nothing more or less than a government that obeys its own Constitution, and fighting a war against their bad ideas; that’s all pretty interesting.
I'm not making enemies out of people, on Ron Paul Forums, who advocate for nothing more or less than a government that obeys its own Constitution, and fighting a war against their bad ideas.
You are the one who seems to want escalate this.
I fight bad ideas and I defend myself from those who make themselves my enemies.
I advocate for Congress to retract the emergency powers and amend the Constitution to prohibit any such delegation in the future but until they do the President must use all powers available to him to defend and restore America because our enemies use all of the to destroy us.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
I said that you cannot defeat corruption by enabling more corruption. This is a fundamental principle of existence that is a component of my Christian ontology. I have pored over these ideas for 23 years. I assure you that I have not “rushed” into them.
You cannot defeat evil with evil. There is literally no justification you can possibly provide that will change my opinion on that.
It’s like when Ron Paul suggested applying the Golden Rule to foreign policy and a bunch of alleged Christians booed him.
The difference here is you think you are being pragmatic and I know I am operating on principle.
You cannot stop tyranny by becoming a tyrant. Has never happened. Will never happen.
Its a basic law of the universe. Like Karma, or reaping and sowing.
NO, you responded to me saying Congress should retract the emergency powers and amend the Constitution and said it wouldn't work.
But to answer the different subject you are trying to change to I will just say what I said before: It isn't tyranny to use the delegated powers that have already been delegated to protect and restore America.
The Constitution is good and important but it isn't holy writ, it could have been written to give the powers to the President and then him using them would only be tyrannical if he misused them just as it is with Congress, our system is broken and currently gives the President those powers so it isn't tyranny for him to use them unless he misuses them.
If Congress passed a law to retract them and the President vetoed it that would be corrupt because it would be opposing a return to the intent of the Constitution but there is no moral or ethical bar to using the powers if the Constitution gave them to him or if they have already been delegated.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
I’m not sure where this fantasy of yours came from, but it certainly wasn’t me.
I disagree. Any time the government disobeys the Constitution, that is tyranny against We the People.But to answer the different subject you are trying to change to I will just say what I said before: It isn't tyranny to use the delegated powers that have already been delegated to protect and restore America.
Coulda Woulda Shoulda..... but they didn’t.The Constitution is good and important but it isn't holy writ, it could have been written to give the powers to the President and then him using them would only be tyrannical if he misused them just as it is with Congress, our system is broken and currently gives the President those powers so it isn't tyranny for him to use them unless he misuses them.
It is desperately unethical and immoral for any person who has sworn the Oath of Office, to disobey the Constitution.If Congress passed a law to retract them and the President vetoed it that would be corrupt because it would be opposing a return to the intent of the Constitution but there is no moral or ethical bar to using the powers if the Constitution gave them to him or if they have already been delegated.
@GunnyFreedom.
Your problem is that you are still pretending that we live under a government that is run according to the Constitution, we don't.
Your position would be as foolish as insisting that we go through the legal system to deal with the other side if a civil war broke out.
Until we restore Constitutional limitations we can't afford to play by the rules that the other side ignores.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
If we lived in a nation that respected the Constitution, then I wouldn’t be involved in politics.
I am only involved in politics to fight to restore the Constitutional order.
This belies your premise about what you imagine my beliefs to be.
Let me clarify what I believe you are saying here.Your position would be as foolish as insisting that we go through the legal system to deal with the other side if a civil war broke out.
My position, that “government should obey the Constitution,” is foolish, because government does not currently obey the Constitution, and obeying the Constitution would give the “other side” an unfair advantage in their disobedience of the Constitution. And the best way to fight all of this, is to disobey the Constitution even harder?
so basically we cannot afford to obey the Constitution, until everyone obeys the Constitution.Until we restore Constitutional limitations we can't afford to play by the rules that the other side ignores.
Which of course means we will never obey the Constitution.
Almost as if by plan.
may be a needed refresher.
It absolutely does NOT mean that nobody will ever obey the Constitution.
Your logic would say that we mustn't kill the enemy in a war if we want peace because you don't kill people in peacetime and if we kill the enemy there will never be peace.
It would also say that the States couldn't ever adopt the Constitution because they weren't already using it. (but somehow they managed to)
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
The very concept that “we have to break the Constitution to obey the Constitution” is almost the prototypical example of Orwellian Doublethink.
I understand completely but it is defunct.
We should restore it, that would require laws be passed retracting the delegated powers and preferably a Constitutional Amendment to enshrine nondelegation in stone but using the delegated powers in the mean time does nothing to prevent either of those.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength
and
Disobeying the Constitution is Obeying It.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
You don’t get to paint me with your own behavior. I will gladly draw out the logic of any statement I have made for you and demonstrate the clear line of reasoning from premise through argument to conclusion. Go ahead, point out my “sophistry.” This should be interesting.
There are too many cases so I will just point out the one that is most recent.
You claimed I said disobeying the Constitution was obeying it, I never said any such thing.
I said the egg was well and truly smashed and because Congress passed multiple laws, Presidents used them and courts upheld them, I said we had to restore the Constitution before we could go back to obeying it.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
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