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Last edited by Anti Federalist; 12-15-2018 at 12:33 PM.
JFC...why are AmeriKunts not in the streets like the French???
What the actual $#@! is wrong with us???
That Medicare law applies to all insurances in many states. I am a healthcare provider and I don't touch any insurance, I keep a low overhead with no employees other than myself. My rates tend to be lower than most co-pays.
Insurance has really screwed up our medical system. I talk to people who are more concerned whether their doc takes their insurance rather than if they'll get better. I hear "I think my doc is making me worse." I ask why they won't see someone else. They answer, "He takes my insurance."
Also think how expensive not just insurance, but an oil change would be if it was mandatory for car insurance to cover regular maintenance like an oil change. Within a few years most places would charge $115 for an oil change.
...
Japaj has a weird hybrid insurance / personal pay system. I talking to a guy who lived there when the transition happened, and he said that when people paid out of pocket, the price for a certain procedure was, say, $100. When the insurance system started, the deal was that the insurance would pay, say 80%, while the consumer paid 20%. Of course, the prices immediately rose so the out of pocket to the consumer ends up being the same $100 they originally paid, but now there's a payment to the insurer along with longer wait times.
Such a deal.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
What is left of Obama's legacy now?
I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.
Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
The "fine" was voluntary.
It accomplished what it was designed to do and that is the legacy. It removed more fiat currency from the public and kept tax refunds from entering the real economy, it was a temporary bonanza for insurance companies that knew they were on their way out of existence (thanks to planned coming universal healthcare), and was a temporary job creator to boost various .gov econ figures. Oh, and made the Obamas and their connecteds millions of dollars (remember the ~$40 million website that crashed constantly? Was created by a company owned by Michelle's sorority sister) in the process.
Last edited by devil21; 12-15-2018 at 08:02 PM.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
The Creature from Jekyll Island:
We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!
The SCOTUS may try to find some way to rationalize this, so as to avoid having to make a very political decision (eliminating the welfare benefits).
The court has very little influence and guards it jealously: i.e. by not ruling on politically important topics, unless they have Congressional support.
Anyway, supposing the high court does affirm the lower court's decision, the GOP is going to be facing a serious mess.
Their constituents like free$#@! as much as the Dem's constituents.
The GOP has only rhetorically opposed Obamacare; they dislike it because it has Obama's name in it.
...try to take away their free$#@!, subsidies for pre-existing conditions, et al, and they're likely screwed.
And of course the President (of the GOP...?) is a long-time proponent of straight up socialized medicine.
So..
The Creature from Jekyll Island:
We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
The ACA has already made health insurance near catastrophic coverage now. With co-pays and then co-insurance things don't really kick in until you have paid a lot out of pocket.
The hidden cash prices of hospitals may currently be cheaper than insurance co-pays, although they're not really easy to find out about.
https://www.latimes.com/business/laz...nap-story.html
“…let us teach them that all who draw breath are of equal worth, and that those who seek to press heel upon the throat of liberty, will fall to the cry of FREEDOM!!!” – Spartacus, War of the Damned
BTC: 1AFbCLYU3G1dkbsSJnk3spWeEwpqYVC2Pq
''you can keep yer dr ''
''yr rates wo't go up''
''in all 57 states''
*one hand typing 4 few days/weeks , no spew' checkers & grammar police pleez .....
What I took acception too regarding Trump's promise
to 'KILL/REPEAL Obama care, was the fact that
after elected, he / (admin) chgd the rhetoric to replace'
modify' , fix' ... Trump did get rid of the mandate which was good,
but kept the 'Beast' alive (horrible to have gbt' running
health care) for the next Liberal regime to
bring that mandate back and expand/replicate the 'model'
for other programs.
*one hand typing 4 few days/weeks , no spew' checkers & grammar police pleez .....
I don't know anything about laws that make it illegal to charge less for cash paying customers. However, I do know that health care facilities way overcharge for their services so that after massive discounts or allowable cost for xyz the healthcare provider gets something. So what happens is a person goes to see a doctor and the charges are $3000 after submitted to insurance or medicare or medicaid the doctor gets $300. The doctor has to inflate the cost to get paid a pittance. If this law to charge the same amount to cash customers is true, the cash customer overpays by a huge sum because there is no one to knock the price down for them.
I am looking at my payroll report right now:
In 2018, I pay, between employer and employee payments, just a shade under $1500 a month for a family medical and dental plan.
The medical has a $10,000 deductible, the dental plan a $200 deductible and yearly benefit cap of $1000, which you can burn up in an hour in dentist's chair.
A spokesperson from the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services told Fox News early Saturday that open enrollment for Affordable Care Act’s health insurance will continue despite the federal judge's ruling that the law is unconstitutional and must be "invalidated in whole.”
U.S. District Judge Reed O'Connor, a federal judge in Texas appointed by President George W. Bush, ruled that last year's tax cut bill knocked the constitutional foundation from under Obamacare by eliminating a penalty for not having coverage. The rest of the law cannot be separated from that provision and is therefore invalid, he wrote.
The decision came on the evening before the Dec. 15 deadline for Americans.
The spokesperson from CMS told Fox that the judge’s decision, which was applauded by President Trump, is still working its way through the courts and is not the final word on the matter.
"There is no impact to current coverage or coverage in a 2019 plan," the spokesperson said.
More at: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/des...-official-says
Why is it that liberal judges' rulings apply instantly to the whole country but conservative judges' rulings don't?
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...are-in-lawsuit
02/01/19
Four more states on Thursday night signed on to join the defense of ObamaCare against a lawsuit seeking to dismantle the health care law.
Colorado, Iowa, Michigan and Nevada are asking a federal court for permission to join a coalition of 17 states, led by California, that are defending ObamaCare in an ongoing lawsuit filed by Republican attorneys general.
“The Affordable Care Act provides important protections — including protecting people with pre-existing conditions — care for hundreds of thousands of residents in Michigan,” Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel said Thursday, according to the Detroit News.
The Democratic states are appealing a Texas judge's December ruling that ObamaCare is unconstitutional because it can't stand without the individual mandate penalty, which Congress recently repealed.
Because the Trump administration declined to defend ObamaCare against the lawsuit, California and its coalition filed to intervene in the case.
https://www.healthdatamanagement.com...obamacare-suit
February 01 2019
A federal judge dismissed a lawsuit by the state of Maryland seeking a ruling that the Affordable Care Act is lawful even without the tax penalty once tied to it.
The decision has no immediate impact on the law, commonly known as Obamacare. In a separate case that’s now on appeal, a Texas judge in December agreed with a coalition of Republican states that President Barack Obama’s signature healthcare overhaul should be scrapped because Congress removed the penalty for not having insurance.
U.S. District Judge Ellen Hollander on Friday rejected the suit in a 47-page decision, saying the claims are speculative and that the alleged harms to the state "flow from concerns about a decision that the Trump administration has not made and may never make."
"The president’s profound disdain for the ACA cannot be seriously disputed," she said. Yet there’s no “plausible inference” at this point that the administration “will cease enforcement of part or all of the ACA."
The Texas judge added uncertainty to the U.S. healthcare system and strengthened the divide between Democrats who have fought to keep the law in place and Republicans who have sought to do away with the act. The judge put his ruling on hold until the appeal is resolved, and the White House said it will enforce the ACA until then.
The Maryland case had attracted attention after the state sought to disqualify Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker from participating because he wasn’t confirmed by the Senate.
Hollander said she may allow Maryland to bring the suit later on.
"We will resume this litigation immediately if the president breaks his promise of continued enforcement or when the stay of the Texas court’s decision is lifted," Maryland Attorney General Brian Frosh said in a statement.
The case is Maryland v U.S., 18-cv-2849, U.S. District Court, District of Maryland.
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