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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    It is commendable that despite the LGBT communities have sold out, the QHB communities have stuck to their guns.
    Yeah but technically the attack helicopters sold out first.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.



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  3. #32
    I will soon be taking applications for tryouts for my personal militia . There will be no citizenship badges .
    Do something Danke



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  5. #33
    I was never a boy scout but I knew people who were. Even in Kentucky Mormons were heavily involved in the local organization.
    Stop believing stupid things

  6. #34
    I was a scout and I learned that there were some troops that were more active than others. One I was in did little more than meet in a Church basement weekly and a couple weeks at a summer camp per year, and that was about it. Others, had camp outs regularly in all the seasons, went to jamborees and had enthusiastic leaders who had sons in the troop and spared no expenses making sure we were kept safe and comfortable in Winter or Summer. That one was in Northern Ohio and the camps were awesome. Our excursions to Lake Erie were also fantastic. I learned more about woodsmanship, comradery, and being a man, during the couple years in that troop than at anytime else in my life.
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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    And in 16 years it has never struck you as odd that you were required to get three different badges in citizenship, only one badge each in anything useful, and badges that would have been helpful to secure employment were completely optional?
    Citizenship and nationalism/statism are two entirely different things. Yes of course there was a nationalistic element, but that was not the majority of the program I was in by a long shot. If I had been in a troop tied to a military base then it might have been different, but not where I was at, and not where most others were too.
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  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Citizenship and nationalism/statism are two entirely different things. Yes of course there was a nationalistic element, but that was not the majority of the program I was in by a long shot. If I had been in a troop tied to a military base then it might have been different, but not where I was at, and not where most others were too.
    Here is a set of entirely different things, according to Collins.



    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

  9. #37
    https://www.biographyonline.net/huma...en-powell.html

    During the Boer War, Baden-Powell wrote a Guide to Scouting. This was published in 1903 and was a best-seller. Initially meant for military purposes, after the war, he felt it could be used as a focus for young boys to give them more meaning in life. This led to the creation of the Scout Movements.
    It's well known that Baden-Powell started the whole thing as a means of grooming boys for military service. That's not really in dispute.
    One can say it morphed into giving "them more meaning in life", and as long as one recognizes that the point was to give them meaning via military service (i.e., being a better vassal of the state) then one is being honest.

    But here's something I didn't know and I'm betting you didn't either...

    Baden-Powell also held some pro-fascist sympathies. He read Mein Kampf in 1939 and said there were some good ideas in it. He also admired the Italian dictator Mussolini.


    I mean, this is another thing like the whole "there's no good cop" argument... all the pieces are right there, you just have to be willing to put your conditioning aside, open your eyes, and see them.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Here is a set of entirely different things, according to Collins.



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  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    There was much more than Patriotism taught in the scouts, all the virtues were taught.

    The scouts have local versions in countries all around the globe, the church is leaving because of the lefty pervert takeover. (They should have left earlier but they have no choice now)
    Yeah, the virtue of submitting to the nanny state. That is typically how brainwashing works, mix what you already know to be good with the bad until you can't tell the difference.


    Funny, I didn't see any mention of a "lefty pervert takeover" in the Church's official announcement. They do talk about how they have been working on a program for years now that will allow local leaders to customize the teen programs to the needs of their local youth.

    For years, Church leaders have been preparing a new initiative to teach and provide leadership and development opportunities to all children and youth, to support families and to strengthen youth everywhere as they develop faith in the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. This new approach is intended to help all girls and boys, young women and young men discover their eternal identity, build character and resilience, develop life skills and fulfill their divine roles as daughters and sons of God. The initiative is designed to allow local leaders, families and even the young people themselves to customize their efforts, while providing service opportunities and activities, fostering healthy relationships and supporting communities. Details will be shared at childrenandyouth.lds.org as the implementation date approaches.


    https://www.lds.org/church/news/chur...youth?lang=eng

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Funny, I didn't see any mention of a "lefty pervert takeover" in the Church's official announcement. They do talk about how they have been working on a program for years now that will allow local leaders to customize the teen programs to the needs of their local youth.
    They are being diplomatic when they shouldn't be, there are many personal ties involved and the church has a tendency to be too soft.
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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Funny, I didn't see any mention of a "lefty pervert takeover" in the Church's official announcement. They do talk about how they have been working on a program for years now that will allow local leaders to customize the teen programs to the needs of their local youth.
    The church has considered dropping the program for decades, even back in the 90s the BSA was considering allowing homosexual Scouts or leaders or something, and they threatened to drop the program if they did.
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  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Yeah, the virtue of submitting to the nanny state. That is typically how brainwashing works, mix what you already know to be good with the bad until you can't tell the difference.
    I was in the program from Cub to Scout. I'm not a frothing at the mouth Nationalist. Mileage may vary. <shrug>

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    I see you've never served in the BSA. Did it for a while myself. Nothing but flag worshiping propaganda.
    Oh, Pierz, you're such an ideologue!


    You couldn't put your ideology to the side for just a moment in order to make a fun experience for the boys?


    Sad.


    See, this is why ideology is poison. Blinding, toxic poison. It endarkens everything in your life, if you let it. Don't let it. Cut the cord. Take off the glasses and see the world. Just see it. Without a filter you have to put everything through.

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I was in the program from Cub to Scout. I'm not a frothing at the mouth Nationalist. Mileage may vary. <shrug>
    Agreed. Most of us have also been through the public education system and still manage to see through the curtain, at least somewhat. But then again I think most of us are the type of people who take least to that kind of conditioning to begin with.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by H_H View Post
    Oh, Pierz, you're such an ideologue!


    You couldn't put your ideology to the side for just a moment in order to make a fun experience for the boys?


    Sad.


    See, this is why ideology is poison. Blinding, toxic poison. It endarkens everything in your life, if you let it. Don't let it. Cut the cord. Take off the glasses and see the world. Just see it. Without a filter you have to put everything through.
    Funny, trying to cast intentionally blinding oneself as "seeing the world."

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Funny, trying to cast intentionally blinding oneself as "seeing the world."
    Your Rigid, Extreme Ideology =/= The Truth.

    But even if it did, come on! Couldn't you just say to yourself, "Congratulations, me, on knowing the truth about everything! Now let me lay that aside just for a couple hours, just once a week"? In order to make a great, meaningful experience for some boys very much in need of it? Who are, in the rest of their lives, trapped in a sick, degenerate matriarchy that abhors all fun and all boys.That's just my take. But hey, we all gotta have our priorities. Maybe when your life is done, the Libertarian God -- I hear it looks suspiciously like Ayn Rand -- will reward you for your loyalty. She'll hand you a gold bar and a cigarette that never burns out.

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