Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

[Swordsmyth]

Just like many "rightist" celebrate killing millions in the ME.

And?

[Swordsmyth]

Restoring Notre-Dame to its original state could be impossible - because France doesn’t have enough trees that measure up to the job.
Bertrand de Feydeau, vice president of preservation group Fondation du Patrimoine, told France Info radio that the wooden roof that went up in flames was built with beams more than 800 years ago from primal forests.
He said the cathedral’s roof cannot be rebuilt exactly as it was before the fire because “we don’t, at the moment, have trees on our territory of the size that were cut in the 13th century”.
He said the restoration work will have to use new technologies in order to rebuild the roof of Paris’ most-visited monument.


Peter Riddington, a consultant director with Donald Insall Associates, which oversaw the restoration of Windsor Castle following the 1992 fire, said he felt a solution would have to be found.
He added: “The history of the cathedral is so strong that to rebuild it in a form that isn’t what people understand Notre-Dame to be, what it symbolises and what they believe it to be would be a very difficult argument to win.
“There will be a lot of soul searching I think.”
While Windsor Castle was a straightforward rebuild due to the “cellular” structure of the rooms Mr Riddington said Notre Dame’s status as a place of worship - and a large one at that - presents extra challenges.


Windsor saw some 1,500 workers help rebuild and restore the castle at a cost of around £36m, 27 years ago - though both the cost and the four year project came in ahead of schedule and under budget.
He said: “I think it’s a much bigger, more difficult rebuild.
“One thing I would say though is that it is not the first cathedral fire over the years.
“The west wing at York was badly damaged in the 1980s but they do get restored.”

Paris public prosecutor Rémy Heitz said his office was "favouring the theory of an accident", but had assigned 50 people to work on what he believed would be a "long" and "complex" investigation.

More at: https://news.yahoo.com/france-doesnt...130301402.html

[dannno]

Restoring Notre-Dame to its original state could be impossible - because France doesn’t have enough trees that measure up to the job.
Bertrand de Feydeau, vice president of preservation group Fondation du Patrimoine, told France Info radio that the wooden roof that went up in flames was built with beams more than 800 years ago from primal forests.
He said the cathedral’s roof cannot be rebuilt exactly as it was before the fire because “we don’t, at the moment, have trees on our territory of the size that were cut in the 13th century”.
He said the restoration work will have to use new technologies in order to rebuild the roof of Paris’ most-visited monument.


Peter Riddington, a consultant director with Donald Insall Associates, which oversaw the restoration of Windsor Castle following the 1992 fire, said he felt a solution would have to be found.
He added: “The history of the cathedral is so strong that to rebuild it in a form that isn’t what people understand Notre-Dame to be, what it symbolises and what they believe it to be would be a very difficult argument to win.
“There will be a lot of soul searching I think.”
While Windsor Castle was a straightforward rebuild due to the “cellular” structure of the rooms Mr Riddington said Notre Dame’s status as a place of worship - and a large one at that - presents extra challenges.


Windsor saw some 1,500 workers help rebuild and restore the castle at a cost of around £36m, 27 years ago - though both the cost and the four year project came in ahead of schedule and under budget.
He said: “I think it’s a much bigger, more difficult rebuild.
“One thing I would say though is that it is not the first cathedral fire over the years.
“The west wing at York was badly damaged in the 1980s but they do get restored.”

Paris public prosecutor Rémy Heitz said his office was "favouring the theory of an accident", but had assigned 50 people to work on what he believed would be a "long" and "complex" investigation.

More at: https://news.yahoo.com/france-doesnt...130301402.html

Maybe they can ask the Swiss?

[Dr.3D]

Restoring Notre-Dame to its original state could be impossible - because France doesn’t have enough trees that measure up to the job.
Bertrand de Feydeau, vice president of preservation group Fondation du Patrimoine, told France Info radio that the wooden roof that went up in flames was built with beams more than 800 years ago from primal forests.
He said the cathedral’s roof cannot be rebuilt exactly as it was before the fire because “we don’t, at the moment, have trees on our territory of the size that were cut in the 13th century”.
He said the restoration work will have to use new technologies in order to rebuild the roof of Paris’ most-visited monument.


Peter Riddington, a consultant director with Donald Insall Associates, which oversaw the restoration of Windsor Castle following the 1992 fire, said he felt a solution would have to be found.
He added: “The history of the cathedral is so strong that to rebuild it in a form that isn’t what people understand Notre-Dame to be, what it symbolises and what they believe it to be would be a very difficult argument to win.
“There will be a lot of soul searching I think.”
While Windsor Castle was a straightforward rebuild due to the “cellular” structure of the rooms Mr Riddington said Notre Dame’s status as a place of worship - and a large one at that - presents extra challenges.


Windsor saw some 1,500 workers help rebuild and restore the castle at a cost of around £36m, 27 years ago - though both the cost and the four year project came in ahead of schedule and under budget.
He said: “I think it’s a much bigger, more difficult rebuild.
“One thing I would say though is that it is not the first cathedral fire over the years.
“The west wing at York was badly damaged in the 1980s but they do get restored.”

Paris public prosecutor Rémy Heitz said his office was "favouring the theory of an accident", but had assigned 50 people to work on what he believed would be a "long" and "complex" investigation.

More at: https://news.yahoo.com/france-doesnt...130301402.html

I can see those folks haven't learned much from this.

Enough trees?

Do people actually care about what they can't see?

The skeleton for the roof should be made of structural steel and then the exterior made to look as it was before.

It wouldn't look any different and there would be a much smaller chance of fire happening again.

[Swordsmyth]

I can see those folks haven't learned much from this.

Enough trees?

Do people actually care about what they can't see?

The skeleton for the roof should be made of structural steel and then the exterior made to look as it was before.

It wouldn't look any different and there would be a much smaller chance of fire happening again.

Yea, a facade is all you need for aesthetics and you could put a much stronger structure beneath it.

[Anti Globalist]

I'm just gonna wait until we get all the facts until we know for sure.

[dannno]

[enhanced_deficit]

On the positive side, there is great outpouring of support for French people and Catholics around the world and various fundraisers are going on with offers to help rebuild this historic Catholic landmark. In a way, today we're all Catholics.


Trump offers US assistance to France after Notre Dame fire
| April 16, 2019 01:41 PM
President Trump offered his condolences to Emmanuel Macron of France along with U.S. assistance in rebuilding Notre Dame Cathedral a day after it was devastated by fire, the White House said on Tuesday.

'In our genes': Russia joins fundraising efforts to restore Notre Dame
16 hours ago -




There are some controversies emerging too:


Trump and Pence tweeted about Notre Dame fire but said nothing when 3 black churches burned
April 16
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...urches-burned/


April 15, 2019
Fox News Guest Calls French ‘Godless People’ After Notre Dame Fire, Says ‘No Sense Of Christianity’ Outside
Claiming that polls show that France has now embraced “secularism,” the 59-year-old Steyn told Fox host Tucker Carlson, “the French are even by the standards of the modern Western world among the most Godless people,” as quoted by Media Matters For America.


Also heard call on Trump to reject support from one of his major evangelical backers pastor John Hagee who had in the past called Catholic Church 'False Cult' and 'Great Whore'.

[dannno]

On the positive side, there is great outpouring of support for French people and Catholics around the world and various fundraisers are going on with offers to help rebuild this historic Catholic landmark. In a way, today we're all Catholics.

Hah. You clearly missed the video posted above that.

[enhanced_deficit]

Hah. You clearly missed the video posted above that.

Yea I did, will take time to watch it.

[goldenequity]

https://twitter.com/iraqschristians/...44484775596032

[goldenequity]

Close confidant of billionaire mogul who pledged €100m to restore Notre Dame says donations should be 90% tax deductible – which would land French public with almost all the bill

Former French culture minister Jean-Jacques Aillagon made the suggestion before the flames in the cathedral had been extinguished.

The effect of such a policy would be to shift most of the bill to French taxpayers.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eductible.html

https://twitter.com/AnandWrites/stat...79817994838016

[Valli6]

I don't like the sound of this - a global contest to redesign Notre-Dame's spire. Will they resist the urge to turn it into some diversity scheme, favoring a new design indicative of globalism, with some creation that can represent "all" ethnicities and religions - rather than the catholic church it is? Not bloody likely!

This needs to be a restoration, not an alteration of the design.

A true "restoration", means all repairs are done using methods identical to those used in the original. (Did you know?) It's a discipline typically reserved for old houses, historic buildings, artistic & museum objects - so that's what the speaker was referring to when stating that there were no trees large enough to properly restore the spire. (Bertrand de Feydeau, vice president of preservation group Fondation du Patrimoine - see above: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...in-Paris/page5 )

I agree that in this case, they'd be better off using some modern techniques, such as steel for the frame. All aesthetic stuff though, should adhere to the same craftsmanship and same design as the original (with the possibility of using modern preservatives on the exterior to enhance weather resistance.)

France launches global contest to design new Notre-Dame spire
Clare BYRNE and Joseph SCHMID
AFP News 17 April 2019

France will invite architects from around the world to submit designs for rebuilding the spire of Notre-Dame cathedral that was destroyed in a devastating blaze, Prime Minister Edouard Philippe said Wednesday.

The goal is "to give Notre-Dame a new spire that is adapted to the techniques and the challenges of our era," Philippe told reporters a day after President Emmanuel Macron vowed to rebuild the cathedral "even more beautifully" within five years...

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/investigat...084844411.html

[Brian4Liberty]

Close confidant of billionaire mogul who pledged €100m to restore Notre Dame says donations should be 90% tax deductible – which would land French public with almost all the bill

Former French culture minister Jean-Jacques Aillagon made the suggestion before the flames in the cathedral had been extinguished.

The effect of such a policy would be to shift most of the bill to French taxpayers.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eductible.html

You don’t become a billionaire by giving away money.

Charity is an investment. Start a charity with $1 million, gather donations of $100 million, get government to match, and you now control much more money than you started with. Money is power. Add in various tax breaks, and you have saved more money than your original investment. The big bonus is that you can advertise to the public and to God that you are a great person!

[devil21]

Because that's so much different than when I read loads of comments laughing about the tsunami that engulfed an Indonesian mosque on video back in December.

Hateful religious types gonna be hateful, regardless of which religion they ascribe to. I doubt neither Jesus nor Muhammad would respond to these incidents as many of their claimed "followers" do.

[Valli6]

Because that's so much different than when I read loads of comments laughing about the tsunami that engulfed an Indonesian mosque on video back in December.
I doubt neither Jesus nor Muhammad would respond to these incidents as many of their claimed "followers" do.

I don't know about that. Muhammad was no Christ.

[Sammy]

I really don't like Glenn Beck but is maybe right...

[RJB]

Because that's so much different than when I read loads of comments laughing about the tsunami that engulfed an Indonesian mosque on video back in December.
.

That's a good point. I agree that the destruction was a tragedy and the reaction was a disgrace. However, Indonesia would be wise not to have millions of such scoffing Christians inundating their immigration system.

[Zippyjuan]

I don't like the sound of this - a global contest to redesign Notre-Dame's spire. Will they resist the urge to turn it into some diversity scheme, favoring a new design indicative of globalism, with some creation that can represent "all" ethnicities and religions - rather than the catholic church it is? Not bloody likely!

This needs to be a restoration, not an alteration of the design.

A true "restoration", means all repairs are done using methods identical to those used in the original. (Did you know?) It's a discipline typically reserved for old houses, historic buildings, artistic & museum objects - so that's what the speaker was referring to when stating that there were no trees large enough to properly restore the spire. (Bertrand de Feydeau, vice president of preservation group Fondation du Patrimoine - see above: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...in-Paris/page5 )

I agree that in this case, they'd be better off using some modern techniques, such as steel for the frame. All aesthetic stuff though, should adhere to the same craftsmanship and same design as the original (with the possibility of using modern preservatives on the exterior to enhance weather resistance.)

The spire was not original anyways .It was built in the 1850's. How "authentic" should a rebuild be? It has been "modified" numerous times in its 800 year history. https://qz.com/1596912/should-notre-...fter-the-fire/

For many of the city’s current dwellers, la flèche (the arrow) was as indispensable to Notre Dame’s silhouette as its portly bell towers. But the fallen 305-foot structure didn’t have the same Gothic pedigree. It was added in the 1850s during a restoration led by French architect Eugène Emmanuel Viollet-le-Duc. His inspiration: the 19th- century cathedral of Orleans.

“This generative Mother-Church is, among the other ancient churches of Paris, a sort of Chimera: she has the head of one, the limbs of another, the body of a third—something of all,” Hugo wrote in the novel itself.

Hugo being Victor Hugo in his book "The Hunchback of Notre Dame".

The criteria of how to preserve historic monuments has evolved since the restoration wars of the 19th century. The most widely accepted global standards are part of the 1964 Charter of Venice, in which the international community adopted a more Hugo-like approach. Here’s what it says about restoration:

Its aim is to preserve and reveal the aesthetic and historic value of the monument and is based on respect for original material and authentic documents. It must stop at the point where conjecture begins, and in this case moreover any extra work which is indispensable must be distinct from the architectural composition and must bear a contemporary stamp.

And on replacing lost elements:

Replacements of missing parts must integrate harmoniously with the whole, but at the same time must be distinguishable from the original so that restoration does not falsify the artistic or historic evidence.

[Swordsmyth]

Notre Dame had two fires start: “”The fire started up near the roof top, while another fire started in the north bell tower,” Picaud told NBC News.”

[Swordsmyth]

Michelle Obama just happened to have a front row seat to watch Notre Dame burn – was floating on the river right in front of it when it caught fire

[goldenequity]

Elitist architects react to the fire which tore through Notre Dame by arguing that the rebuilding should not reflect “white European France.”

One of them literally said: "Its burning feels like an act of liberation”.


Elitist Architects Want Notre Dame Rebuilt to Reflect New Globalist France
https://summit.news/2019/04/17/eliti...balist-france/

How Should France Rebuild Notre Dame?
"Any rebuilding should be a reflection not of an old France, or the France that never was — a non-secular, white European France — but a reflection of the France of today, a France that is currently in the making."

“The building was so overburdened with meaning that its burning feels like an act of liberation,” says Patricio del Real, an architecture historian at Harvard University.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture...s-next-822743/

[AZJoe]

(parody)

[phill4paul]

You don’t become a billionaire by giving away money.

Charity is an investment. Start a charity with $1 million, gather donations of $100 million, get government to match, and you now control much more money than you started with. Money is power. Add in various tax breaks, and you have saved more money than your original investment. The big bonus is that you can advertise to the public and to God that you are a great person!

Yup. The Clintons aren't eating Ramen noodles.

[phill4paul]

(parody)

Funny. Now if someone could do a Trump one about raking out vestibules.

[AZJoe]

[phill4paul]

Michelle Obama just happened to have a front row seat to watch Notre Dame burn – was floating on the river right in front of it when it caught fire

Well ain't that a co-inky-dink?

She's still sporting that man package.

[Brian4Liberty]

Notre Dame had two fires start: “”The fire started up near the roof top, while another fire started in the north bell tower,” Picaud told NBC News.”

That’s just crazy talk. We were assured by the authorities before the fire was put out that it was an accident. Last news I heard today, they were still waiting for it to be safe for investigators to enter the building and start an investigation. Kind of redundant, as the cause was already pretty much determined.

Here’s a prediction: if they had video of a man in Islamic garb starting the fires and leaving “Allahu akbar” written at the seen, they would still call it an accident. They don’t want to give them credit, they don’t want to create fear, and it doesn’t fit their political agenda. Pretty basic actually. There is no reason for them to say anything other than “accident”.

[ATruepatriot]

They just caught someone possibly trying to burn down St Patric's Cathedral. Went in with two gas cans full of gas. Said his van ran out of gas but they found his van had plenty of gas.

[Swordsmyth]

They just caught someone possibly trying to burn down St Patric's Cathedral. Went in with two gas cans full of gas. Said his van ran out of gas but they found his van had plenty of gas.

Just a coincidence, I'm sure.