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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    You seem to have this backwards.

    Instead of pompously lecturing me, why not go and lecture some of the people that are marching and chanting in the street that I need to be eliminated.

    Get them to stand down, and then we'll talk.
    Pierz puts everything backwards, I have come to believe it is through malice rather than ignorance.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yes, that is exactly what the 1965 Immigration Act was designed to do.

    Now, that being said, this is more than peoples or races.

    It's mindsets.

    I don't want a bunch white German socialists invading either.

    Limited government, maximum individual freedom and property rights are a tiny minority of thought across the globe today.

    Import millions and millions of people, regardless of color, that do not want, understand or believe in that, and you will not have it very much longer.

    Simple as that.

    So decide.
    The open borders crowd has decided, they want the death of the only society that ever came close to their libertarian ideals so they can virtue signal their purity regarding their warped and excessive interpretation of individual liberty that denies the existence of something real, namely groups and group territory.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yes, that is exactly what the 1965 Immigration Act was designed to do.

    Now, that being said, this is more than peoples or races.

    It's mindsets.

    I don't want a bunch white German socialists invading either.

    Limited government, maximum individual freedom and property rights are a tiny minority of thought across the globe today.

    Import millions and millions of people, regardless of color, that do not want, understand or believe in that, and you will not have it very much longer.

    Simple as that.

    So decide.
    It's funny you mention Nazis, I just feel like I am being suckered, like they are trying to make me embrace primal instincts and treat my neighbor like an adversary because the government wants to divide and conquer..As long as you don't feel like you are being suckered. I feel like I am being suckered..


  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    It's funny you mention Nazis, I just feel like I am being suckered, like they are trying to make me embrace primal instincts and treat my neighbor like an adversary because the government wants to divide and conquer..As long as you don't feel like you are being suckered. I feel like I am being suckered..
    Its not the govt making these radicals proclaim that me, my family and AF and his family should be exterminated. Sure, feel free to try holding hands and singing kumbaya with those people, have fun. In the meantime, you call for my death, I'll proclaim that you shouldn't even be allowed in this country and i'll prep for the day you try to back your words up.



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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Because "our" theocrats are better than "their" theocrats?
    That's correct. Is that really controversial? I don't seem to recall any recent beheadings in the Rose Bowl for drinking alcohol on Sunday. Maybe Mike Huckabee led one and I missed it?

    I am a big believer in looking at the empirical evidence. I haven't seen a persuasive case that Sweden, Germany, and the UK are better off with increased Muslim immigration. In fact, the evidence is those Muslims do not assimilate and it is has been a disaster. The unemployment among Muslim refugees is over 50% ten years after immigrating to Sweden.

  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Its not the govt making these radicals proclaim that me, my family and AF and his family should be exterminated. Sure, feel free to try holding hands and singing kumbaya with those people, have fun. In the meantime, you call for my death, I'll proclaim that you shouldn't even be allowed in this country and i'll prep for the day you try to back your words up.
    That's where I guess I am a conspiracy theorist then, because I have always thought that the racial demagoguing was always something the deep state did in order to promote their political agenda. I will concede that either these groups are government operated or they are government controlled, the government coopts these groups to promote the deep state agenda. The whites aren't getting anything with Trump as president as this thread title suggests, but the deep states agenda is definitely progressing with their protection.

  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yes, that is exactly what the 1965 Immigration Act was designed to do.

    Now, that being said, this is more than peoples or races.

    It's mindsets.

    I don't want a bunch white German socialists invading either.

    Limited government, maximum individual freedom and property rights are a tiny minority of thought across the globe today.

    Import millions and millions of people, regardless of color, that do not want, understand or believe in that, and you will not have it very much longer.

    Simple as that.

    So decide.
    I don't believe in importing people here, either.

    My personal stand is Freedom.
    No entitlements: none, nada, zip, no one
    States rights
    Real capitalism
    NO mercantilism
    Gold standard
    Gov out of business, medicine, education, etc, etc, etc.
    Stop bombing other countries
    Bring military home & get out of debt
    Adhere to the actual Constitution

    If the original intent of the Declaration was actually followed, we would all be much freer & immigration would not be a problem.
    There is no spoon.

  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I don't believe in importing people here, either.

    My personal stand is Freedom.
    No entitlements: none, nada, zip, no one
    States rights
    Real capitalism
    NO mercantilism
    Gold standard
    Gov out of business, medicine, education, etc, etc, etc.
    Stop bombing other countries
    Bring military home & get out of debt
    Adhere to the actual Constitution

    If the original intent of the Declaration was actually followed, we would all be much freer & immigration would not be a problem.
    You're just a pie in the sky liberal in disguise because nothing like that would ever happen in real life. This is real life now, just repeat after me: This is my life now..

  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I don't believe in importing people here, either.

    My personal stand is Freedom.
    No entitlements: none, nada, zip, no one
    States rights
    Real capitalism
    NO mercantilism
    Gold standard
    Gov out of business, medicine, education, etc, etc, etc.
    Stop bombing other countries
    Bring military home & get out of debt
    Adhere to the actual Constitution

    If the original intent of the Declaration was actually followed, we would all be much freer & immigration would not be a problem.
    Ron Paul: https://mises.org/blog/ron-paul-sums...ws-immigration

    Paul then proceeds to attack numerous economic arguments made against immigration and free trade. In particular he mocks Donald Trump’s claim that it’s a bad thing that immigrants make money and “send it home.” "Economically, who cares?", Paul asks. "They use that money to buy American goods." And he goes on with McAdams to recount entrepreneurs and small business owners they worked with in Congress who relied on immigrant labor, and who should continue to be allowed to access labor, as in any reasonably free economy.

    At the core of the matter, however, Paul repeatedly notes that the central problem is a weak economy that cannot absorb new workers, and a welfare state that subsidizes immigration. Just as with anyone, migrants should be permitted to participate in the economy. But the welfare state distorts the benefits of labor moving toward jobs and capital. The solution to this, however, is not walls and government agents, but reductions in the welfare state, and limits on citizenship.

    This position, of course, is consistent with Paul's usual laissez-faire positions in that it rejects government solutions in the form of ID cards, surveillance, regulation, and walls. At the same time, it calls for real reductions in government’s size and scope by reducing government controls on employment and labor, while reducing the welfare state. Limitations on citizenship are also consistent with this position since limiting citizenship (ceteris paribus) does not require an expansion of the state or intrusions in the free exercise of private property.

  12. #70
    If you care about individual rights, throwing some more collectivism on top of the collectivism isn't going to get you a good end result.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    It's funny you mention Nazis, I just feel like I am being suckered, like they are trying to make me embrace primal instincts and treat my neighbor like an adversary because the government wants to divide and conquer..As long as you don't feel like you are being suckered. I feel like I am being suckered..

    But the globalist open borders mafia can be trusted?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I don't believe in importing people here, either.

    My personal stand is Freedom.
    No entitlements: none, nada, zip, no one
    States rights
    Real capitalism
    NO mercantilism
    Gold standard
    Gov out of business, medicine, education, etc, etc, etc.
    Stop bombing other countries
    Bring military home & get out of debt
    Adhere to the actual Constitution

    If the original intent of the Declaration was actually followed, we would all be much freer & immigration would not be a problem.
    If we were freer we would be more prosperous and then immigration would be a problem, leeches are drawn to prosperity like moths to a flame and then they destroy freedom if you let them all in.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Ron Paul is wrong on this, the Elites are engaged in class warfare and they are the ones who benefit when the foreigners use the money they take home to buy American goods.

    Too much of anything is destructive and too much foreign labor is not an exception.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    If you care about individual rights, throwing some more collectivism on top of the collectivism isn't going to get you a good end result.
    We aren't adding new collectivism on top of what we have, we are demanding that a lower level of collectivism that is necessary to preserve liberty be enforced.

    Border control is one of the first basic functions of a nation.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Ron Paul is wrong on this, the Elites are engaged in class warfare and they are the ones who benefit when the foreigners use the money they take home to buy American goods.

    Too much of anything is destructive and too much foreign labor is not an exception.
    The immigration issue is a distraction. Somebody convenient to blame problems on. Divide and conquer.

  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The immigration issue is a distraction. Somebody convenient to blame problems on. Divide and conquer.
    No, it is another front in the war, if we lose it the other fronts will fall to the flank attack.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Ron Paul is wrong on this, the Elites are engaged in class warfare and they are the ones who benefit when the foreigners use the money they take home to buy American goods.

    Too much of anything is destructive and too much foreign labor is not an exception.

    [T]hey steal, they are cruel and bloody, full of revenge, and delighting in deadly execution, licentious, swearers and blasphemers, common ravishers of women, and murderers of children.” —Edmund Spencer

    “The emigrants who land at New York, whether they remain in that city or come on in the interior, are not merely ignorant and poor—which might be their misfortune rather than their fault—but they are drunken, dirty, indolent, and riotous, so as to be the objects of dislike and fear to all in whose neighbourhood they congregate in large numbers.” —James Silk Buckingham

    These are not quotes from a Trump rally or an “alt-right” message board. These are historical statements from yesteryear describing a despised race of people in America. They are indicative of the sentiment of white people throughout this country who thought a subhuman species good for nothing but work and servitude might ruin America with their crime, poverty and interbreeding with white women. They were not referring to Africans, Mexicans or Muslims.

    They were talking about the Irish.
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    There is no spoon.

  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Riiight..... advocating for less gov, no entitlements, gov out of education, business, medicine etc, is calling for "national socialism".

    BTW, 14 african countries are obliged by France, through a colonial pact, to put 85% of their foreign reserve into France central bank under the French minister of Finance control. Togo and about 13 other african countries still have to pay colonial debt to France.

    And our country isn't a democracy, and never has been. It's a Constitutional Republic.

    A democracy is 2 wolves & 1 lamb deciding what's for dinner. A Constitutional Republic is 2 wolves & 1 lamb deciding what's for dinner, but lamb is not on the menu.

    A Democracy: Three wolves and a sheep voting on dinner.

    A Republic: The flock votes for which wolves vote on dinner.

    A Constitutional Republic: Voting on dinner is expressly forbidden,
    and the sheep are armed.

    Federal Government: The means by which the sheep will be fooled into
    voting for a Democracy.

    Freedom: Two hungry wolves looking for dinner and finding a very
    well-informed and well-armed sheep.
    FJB

  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The immigration issue is a distraction. Somebody convenient to blame problems on. Divide and conquer.
    Quite the opposite for me.

    We have gotten us into a nine line bind, broke, in wars across the globe, failing infrastructure and loss of faith in freedom and liberty.

    Almost all of which can be traced back to government causation or meddling.

    We need less government, less taxation, less regulation, less infringement.

    Immigrant groups, as a demographic, consistently and in large numbers, vote for and support more of the above.

    This is about the only thing I "blame" on them. (assuming, of course, they are not part of the Bolshevik mobs that have been marching about openly calling for my displacement, disenfranchisement or death. If that is the case, $#@! them. Throw them out on their ear, and let them piss off back to whatever turd world $#@!pit they came from)

    We need to stop all immigration and get our own house in order.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 02-09-2018 at 04:18 AM.



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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    A Democracy: Three wolves and a sheep voting on dinner.

    A Republic: The flock votes for which wolves vote on dinner.

    A Constitutional Republic: Voting on dinner is expressly forbidden,
    and the sheep are armed.

    Federal Government: The means by which the sheep will be fooled into
    voting for a Democracy.

    Freedom: Two hungry wolves looking for dinner and finding a very
    well-informed and well-armed sheep.
    I'll take that.
    There is no spoon.

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