Detroit, Detroit...

[oyarde]

And their descendants allow the Injuns to build casino and make amends?

I think if Cadillac had named it in a different language than french it may not still be cursed.

[oyarde]

And their descendants allow the Injuns to build casino and make amends?

If they just gave it to me , I may be able to reverse the bad mojo.

[osan]

Old vid.

There are plenty of threads here on RPF bashing Detroit.

Like its almost a fetish or something. What's up with that?

Methinks you misapprehend. Stating facts is not "bashing". We state facts to remind ourselves and further reinforce our understanding of the results that progressivism, which have been universally disastrous in the longer term.

One could as easily take the position that repetition of the lessons of men such as Stalin and Mao constitute "bashing" of them or their respective nations. It simply is not the case.

[osan]

I have said before here.
Detroit is the Canary in the Coal Mine. and as someone asked,, the "R"s took over and it is no better..

How long ago did they take over? Let us bear in mind that the Demopublicans took ca. 50 years to bring that city to its current and sad state. Also note that destruction is far less energy-intense than construction. Barring some economic miracle or the right kind of war, I suspect Detroit - if it is to ever recover at all - will take much longer to rebuild than it did to raze. Not saying the Republicrats would do any better, but only that I doubt that enough time has passed. Oh, and also consider that the economic environment is bleak when compared to the early 20th century when Detroit rose to its height. Much works against that devastated city, and very little for it.

[osan]

But I don't remember seeing any other threads about the disastrous conditions that other cites are in here in the U.S. Why is that?

I am not sure your assertion is true, for one. Even so, however, I cannot think of another city offhand as large as Detroit that was as successful and which had fallen so far from it's once lofty position in the economic scheme of things. The later history of that once great city is something of a Shakespearean tragedy.

Is Detroit the only city that is $#@!ed up?

Obviously not. Los Angeles comes to mind, but it suffers from a very different brand of cancer. Camden NJ is similar to Detroit in nature, but far and away smaller.

It makes me wonder what is up with all the bash Detroit threads.

Once again, it is NOT "bash Detroit". We are simply analyzing and reporting on the results of "progressive" governance policy and operation. It always turns out badly, whether in the physical, economic, or circumstantial devastation. Look at my home town, NYC: easily one of the top three wealthiest cities on the planet, if not #1, and yet it is wracked with poverty and the ravages of the welfare state. It is still dangerous in many places. It is one of the least free cities in America with a police force of ca. 40K. Damned nearly everything is illegal, save for the essentials like being able to butt-$#@! until it falls off. If you voice an unpopular political opinion and a mob beats you senseless, there will be no justice waiting in the wings for you, even with video evidence, the names of the criminals, and their home addresses.

It is impossibly costly to live there. Property taxes are mind-numbing. It is filthy. The subways and in many places even the streets reek of urine, year around. Stupidity runs wild. Progressivism is the life-blood of NYC politics and regardless of how bad things become, the average NYer sticks faithfully to his philosophy of misery and death.

Detroit is better though. Better than what it was back when that vid was made.

I am glad to hear it. Can you elaborate on the ways in which things have improved?

[Dary]

Stating facts is not "bashing".

These "facts" have been "stated" repeatedly on RPF. After a while it tends to get old.

Instead of simply stating facts, it just seems more and more like simply bashing.

Look at my home town, NYC: easily one of the top three wealthiest cities on the planet, if not #1, and yet it is wracked with poverty and the ravages of the welfare state. It is still dangerous in many places. It is one of the least free cities in America with a police force of ca. 40K. Damned nearly everything is illegal, save for the essentials like being able to butt-$#@! until it falls off. If you voice an unpopular political opinion and a mob beats you senseless, there will be no justice waiting in the wings for you, even with video evidence, the names of the criminals, and their home addresses.

It is impossibly costly to live there. Property taxes are mind-numbing. It is filthy. The subways and in many places even the streets reek of urine, year around. Stupidity runs wild. Progressivism is the life-blood of NYC politics and regardless of how bad things become, the average NYer sticks faithfully to his philosophy of misery and death.

Your criticisms of NYC are the first that I've ever seen on this site other than those of Detroit and why didn't you post those to begin with?

Instead you posted an old vid criticizing Detroit.

So, do you have any pics of abandoned, burnt out buildings in NYC?

Why not post them as well?

I've found a few. Have you ever seen these posted on RPF before...?





No you haven't.

Do any of the haters wish to post pics of old burned out dilapidated buildings of their home towns?

No?

Pussys.

Can you elaborate on the ways in which things have improved?

Earlier in the thread I did. Ender did too.

[Dary]

...I'm not saying the city is dead,,, but it will never be what it once was..

Never is a long time. Unless you have a crystal ball, how do you know?

Have any of the posters who have made these negative posts about Detroit done anything to help the city?

Seems to me like there are a lot of haters with the number of threads criticizing Detroit, but they offer no help.

The haters don't want to come here, they don't want to invest, build, teach and help. They would rather sit behind their keyboards and talk $#@!.

The people that live in Detroit City have a special expression reserved just for the haters.

It goes something like this:

$#@! 'em.

[Suzu]

There is definitely a re-birth going on in some places in the city. The new Red Wings stadium and the surrounding 52 blocks are under going a huge renovation. Everything is being replaced, sewers, electrical, streets, lights, new housing and shopping.

Comerica Park where the Tigers play is a beautiful stadium.

The Fox theater, the Fillmore, the Fisher building/theater are all gorgeous.

There is so much history and culture that still exists in the city like The Guardian Building, The Detroit Institute of Arts.

I could go on.

I would be amiss if I forgot to mention that the music scene is still very much alive and well.

I grew up in Detroit. It was already a toilet by 1970 if not earlier. Things went downhill fast after the turn of the century. It mostly looks like a war zone now. It's unreal. But some parts have been preserved, as you say. A friend I went to high school with works at the Fox now and plays music in his free time. But you could not pay me to move back there.

[osan]

These "facts" have been "stated" repeatedly on RPF. After a while it tends to get old.

Instead of simply stating facts, it just seems more and more like simply bashing.

Seems != is. I sense butthurt. What is that about?

Your criticisms of NYC are the first that I've ever seen on this site other than those of Detroit and why didn't you post those to begin with?

And who, exactly, are you to make demands upon me?

I have criticized many cities across this land. That you have not seen them, it does not follow that they have not been made.

Instead you posted an old vid criticizing Detroit.

I find your apparent lack of self-possession disturbing.

So, do you have any pics of abandoned, burnt out buildings in NYC?

Yes. I haul tens of thousands of them around in a steamer trunk everywhere I go.

Why not post them as well?

Because Detroit is a better example of the failure of progressive policies.

Do any haters...

Credibility slipping and going... going...

Pussies.

GONE!


You could have discussed the issue as an adult, but chose this instead.

Bravo.

[pcosmar]

I grew up in Michigan. was a welfare state then. I left for years. I returned and lived ten more years there.

I was reminded of why I left. and it was not the countryside.

[pcosmar]

How long ago did they take over? .

Bear in mind that the "R"s are every bit as socialist as the "D"s.

Profits go to different partners. only real diff.

[Lucille]

You shouldn't take it so personally, @Dary, and your personal attacks on @osan, and RPF in general, are uncalled for.

Detroit has been, and always will be, the epitome the left's "achievements" because it's true.

Karen DeCoster has good things to say about it though. And remember this?:



Plus, Jack White!

Jack White Comes Home: Third Man Records Cass Corridor Opens in Detroit
White, label associates hope new store and vinyl-pressing plant will aid Motor City's "renaissance"
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/ne...troit-20151202



^ Stick around for Freedom At 21!

[MelissaWV]

No you haven't.

Do any of the haters wish to post pics of old burned out dilapidated buildings of their home towns?

No?

Pussys.



Earlier in the thread I did. Ender did too.

There aren't any old burned out buildings in the town I live in. Those get torn down before they get that far.

Detroit has a specific history as an industrial hub and now it's simply not that hub at all. The improvements you've listed are largely superficial projects or tax fund money pits that have a positive and shiny effect on the areas immediately around them. There might be some long term resettlement that establishes a real upward trend in lifestyle and standard of living, but plopping a revamped stadium into a huge city is not going to do it.

You are simply not paying attention if you think Detroit is the only big city to be pointed out as having extensive problems. You've never seen people speak about Baltimore here? LA? NYC? Chicago? Atlanta? Dallas? DC?

And no, I don't want to go to Detroit. I've been there a couple of times, and I'm not interested in returning for any reason. It was years ago but nothing drives me to go back. That's kind of the problem, isn't it. It's a personal decision on my part --- I tend to love certain temperatures, a certain amount of wilderness, a good amount of space, a lack of crowding whenever I want to get away --- but obviously others have come to similar conclusions for their own reasons. I would rather invest, build, teach, and help around where I already want to live.

[CaseyJones]

just cause..

[oyarde]

My '72 Gran Torino had a 351 Cleveland in it but I think the rest of it was built in Detroit.

[Dary]

Lest I repeat myself...

The reason that I responded to this thread is that there have been plenty of other threads posted here about Detroit and how bad it is.

Then I see another thread, one that has the same vid as other threads, going on about how bad it is here.

I begin to think that it looks more like bashing Detroit than anything else. So I say something about it.

Now I'm told that I'm making personal attacks on Osan and RPF members in general? Please.

I'm being accused of being "butt-hurt?

Have I stated anything that isn't true?

And how is asking a simple question considered making a demand?

Can anyone direct me to any other thread where any other city has been criticized, had videos posted about it and pictures of old abandoned buildings posted repeatedly?

For the record, I've never claimed that plopping a revamped stadium into the city will solve all of its problems.

Detroit has suffered at the hands of corrupt politicians. Both R and D. We get it already.

I don't see how posting multiple threads about how bad it is here will help this city.

There are many good people who live here. Do you believe that this is what we wish for our city?

There are many big cities here in the U.S. that have suffered the same fate.

I don't see how Detroit is any better example of what can happen to a big city under corrupt leadership.

Yet it is always Detroit that gets singled out. Always.

Anyway, thank you to those who have posted the positive links and vids in this thread.

Oh yeah... and Jack White rocks! Do you suppose he would defend his city from these multiple negative posts?

[oyarde]

Well , they did lure the Lions away from Portsmouth , Ohio , only about a year after the Spartans made the Championship game . The team cost 7,952 FRN's , I would have bought them if I had the money ..... a yr later , in 1935 the Lions won the Championship .

[oyarde]

Just think , If I could have bought the lions for 8k , the Colts would still be in Baltimore and the Browns would never have left Cleveland . Danke could be working for me , flying the Team. In order to save money I would just travel with the Team , so I could sit up front with Danke and drink Bourbon and pass down some of my wisdom to him while he is working

[oyarde]

Will bad things happen to me? I slept there many times. But I never pissed on any sacred ground I always used the hotel toilet.

Yes , really , bad things may happen . I saved the best Ft Detroit bedtime story for last . In 1706 while Cadillac was away he left Bourgmont in command . The Ottawa attacked the Miami . The Miami went to the Ft . The Ottawa attacked the Ft and the French killed 30 of them . They left and the Miami attacked the Ottawa village . A french Priest and a Sgt. were killed in the crossfire . When Cadillac returned he was not impressed with how Bourgmont handled everything . Bourgmont and some other French soldiers deserted and left . One deserter was eventually caught and he told of the others killing and ate one of the French troops. So , it is said this french soldier ( the one eaten by his comrades ) wanders .

[oyarde]

Outside of the city you must beware the Wendigo .