Trump backed by blood consuming Bilderberger

[jmdrake]

Oh yeah, makes sense. Though (never content to simply agree, I am constitutionally forced to also think about the "on the other hand") sometimes you can change the future strongly by "changing the past" (ala 1984). If twenty years from now Obama is universally viewed as a usurper and an illegal President -- terrific! That would be a great thing.

Yeah...except that the "conspiracy within the conspiracy" is that Obama's real father was American, not Kenyan, and that Obama was really born in America and the whole fake birth certificate is to cover up the fact that Obama's black father was really a communist pornographer and Obama's mother a pin up girl. (Never mind the fact that Mrs. Trump actually is a pinup girl.) So, according to the conspiracy within the conspiracy, the fake birth certificate actually proves that Obama is a legal president but his family origins had to be hidden because it's better to be thought of as the son of a Muslim immigrant than a black American communist/pornagrapher. So....how does any of this actually make a difference?

True, and that's a good example.

I'm not so sure telling him (somehow? How?) "Mr, Trump, you shouldn't drink children's blood nor hang out with those who do," would be quite so successful an example.

Thanks. And LOL.

[donnay]

Yeah...except that the "conspiracy within the conspiracy" is that Obama's real father was American, not Kenyan, and that Obama was really born in America and the whole fake birth certificate is to cover up the fact that Obama's black father was really a communist pornographer and Obama's mother a pin up girl. (Never mind the fact that Mrs. Trump actually is a pinup girl.) So, according to the conspiracy within the conspiracy, the fake birth certificate actually proves that Obama is a legal president but his family origins had to be hidden because it's better to be thought of as the son of a Muslim immigrant than a black American communist/pornagrapher. So....how does any of this actually make a difference?

To point out they are liars and nothing that comes out their mouths should be believed.

Flash Back:

[jmdrake]

LOL. So Obama most likely was never born in Kenya. He never said he was born in Kenya. The "conspiracy within the conspiracy" is that his father wasn't born in Kenya either. And yet you're going to fall back on misconstruing what Michelle said about Kenya being Obama's "home country?" Newsflash. There are people born in the United States that identify Germany, Ireland, France, fill in the blank as their "home country."

Chew on this.



Seriously you are reminding me of people who claim Saddam really had WMDs and that the "conspiracy" was Saddam "lying" and claiming he had WMDs.

To point out they are liars and nothing that comes out their mouths should be believed.

Flash Back:

[GunnyFreedom]

I have to admit I had trouble following along. I think it went so deep I came out on the other side and now I'm just drifting off towards another planet.

I don't necessarily buy the line of reason, but how on God's green Earth are you having trouble following it?

The reasoning goes as follows:

One of Trump's primary advisors, Peter Thiel, is a self-admitted Bilderberger. (implied: The Bilderbergers are one of the architects of the NWO, therefore Trump's close association with a Bilderberger in this context warrants a more critical investigation.) He hopes that the Trump supporters who consider themselves drawn by the truth, will continue to uphold the truth even when it goes against their guy. He then presents Thiel's links to Bilderberger.

I mean come on, that's only slightly more convoluted than Learning To Read With Dick And Jane.

It's maybe possible that you do not agree with his line of reason, but seriously, how in Sam Hill are you unable to follow it?

[donnay]

LOL. So Obama most likely was never born in Kenya. He never said he was born in Kenya. The "conspiracy within the conspiracy" is that his father wasn't born in Kenya either. And yet you're going to fall back on misconstruing what Michelle said about Kenya being Obama's "home country?" Newsflash. There are people born in the United States that identify Germany, Ireland, France, fill in the blank as their "home country."

Chew on this.



Seriously you are reminding me of people who claim Saddam really had WMDs and that the "conspiracy" was Saddam "lying" and claiming he had WMDs.

How could Kenya be his "home country" when he was born in the USA?

Saddam was a CIA asset just like Osama bin Laden.

[devil21]

You do know that Thiel gave a great deal of money to Ron when he was running, right?

Never saw any confirmation of that, just rumors and the infamous 'billionaire' threads that never materialized into anything. Still not sure how Thiel is libertarian. Can't say I've ever seen or heard anything remotely libertarian out of his mouth. He is a Bilderberger though and Palantir a major NSA contractor, so there's that.

Btw jmdrake, Thiel wasn't "openly gay". He was outed by Gawker, which led to Thiel bankrolling Hulk Hogan's lawsuit against Gawker (presumably as retribution) that put them out of business.

Good thread and discussion though. Not much is as it appears.

[jmdrake]

He gave quite a bit more than Don Black. lolol. Plus, as I recall, he met with RAND privately.

As far as the pipeline goes, I believe Trump owns some shares in Energy Transfer Partners. I do too, by the way. He will likely need to sell it before he becomes President.

Thank you for posting the correction. I wonder if the private meeting between Peter Thiel and Rand Paul happened before or after Rand came out and said military tribunals were necessary because in a civilian court testimony from torture would have to be thrown out and "that would be a problem?" It most certainly happened before Rand endorsed Mitt Romney, before Rand surrogate "the Southern Avenger" did his article on why we shouldnt concern ourselves about the Bilderberg group and before Rand went from being willing to openly discuss his concerns about the Bilderberg group on camera to literrally running away from someone asking he question and then trying to get the pres credentials of the person asking the question revoked. Not before you or anyone else question my support of Rand, I still support him. But there is no denying the fact that after his encounter with Peter Thiel, Rand sang a different tune on a number of issues and that in part led to a huge schism in the liberty movement.

[jmdrake]

How could Kenya be his "home country" when he was born in the USA?

How could Chris Tucker's home country be some village in Africa when he was born in the USA? Home country can also mean where your anscestors are from. Goodness, did you even watch the video?

Saddam was a CIA asset just like Osama bin Laden.

Not debating that. My point is that there some who can't wrap their heads around Bush lying to them about WMDs have made up a "conspiracy within a conspiracy" that Saddam was "lying" and "saying he had WMDs" when in fact he really didn't despite the fact that all along he said he didn't have WMDs. You are reminding me of them at the moment.

[GunnyFreedom]

Why don't you let other like-minded people take care of this? You do not want to be known as Don Quixote of RPF.

Because God forbid these forums should ever be seen in any way critical of His Excellency, The Donald of Trump.

[jmdrake]

Never saw any confirmation of that, just rumors and the infamous 'billionaire' threads that never materialized into anything. Still not sure how Thiel is libertarian. Can't say I've ever seen or heard anything remotely libertarian out of his mouth. He is a Bilderberger though and Palantir a major NSA contractor, so there's that.

Btw jmdrake, Thiel wasn't "openly gay". He was outed by Gawker, which led to Thiel bankrolling Hulk Hogan's lawsuit against Gawker (presumably as retribution) that put them out of business.

Good thread and discussion though. Not much is as it appears.

Thanks for the correction. I knew nothing of Thiel's sexual orientation other than the infowars video. I should have known to vet it.

[donnay]

How could Chris Tucker's home country be some village in Africa when he was born in the USA? Home country can also mean where your anscestors are from. Goodness, did you even watch the video?

Yeah i watched it, it was pretty funny. However, even Chris Tucker admitted it was not his home country in a roundabout way. Didn't you get it?

Not debating that. My point is that there some who can't wrap their heads around Bush lying to them about WMDs have made up a "conspiracy within a conspiracy" that Saddam was "lying" and "saying he had WMDs" when in fact he really didn't despite the fact that all along he said he didn't have WMDs. You are reminding me of them at the moment.

Well, I can assure you I am not one of those people at the moment or in any moment. I know there is a shadow government in this country. I know that most politicians are liars and I know that most of congress holds their alliance to corporations and not the people. War makes lots of money and also helps them decrease the surplus population in the process.

[LibertyEagle]

Never saw any confirmation of that, just rumors and the infamous 'billionaire' threads that never materialized into anything. Still not sure how Thiel is libertarian. Can't say I've ever seen or heard anything remotely libertarian out of his mouth. He is a Bilderberger though and Palantir a major NSA contractor, so there's that.

Btw jmdrake, Thiel wasn't "openly gay". He was outed by Gawker, which led to Thiel bankrolling Hulk Hogan's lawsuit against Gawker (presumably as retribution) that put them out of business.

Good thread and discussion though. Not much is as it appears.

Google is your friend. I provided a link above... let me google it for you. Not going to do it twice.

[devil21]

Google is your friend. I provided a link above... let me google it for you. Not going to do it twice.

I found searching his donations through fec.gov to be much more informative. I do see where he donated to various PACs. I also see where he donated to Ron's campaigns. I also see where he donated to such libertarian champions as Orrin Hatch, Dana Rohrbacher, Eric Cantor, Susan Collins, Lamar Alexander, Chuck Hagel, Elizabeth Dole, plus a whole crap ton of other various Republicans and causes. So thanks for the prompting to confirm his donations to RP. Shame he's also supported a bunch of neocons and establishment hacks. Now if we could get over that pesky NSA, Bilderberg, Fedbook stuff...

[pcosmar]

I know where you are coming from..

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their actions.…

it is why Ron would never be allowed.

[oyarde]

Well that was inspired, interesting reading at the break of dawn jmdrake.

I feel kind of dirty reading it .

[Working Poor]

Why don't you let other like-minded people take care of this? You do not want to be known as Don Quixote of RPF.

As far as I can tell jmdrake is well within his right to discuss what he wishes to discuss. He is not being disrespectful of any of the posters although I can't say that about everyone posting in this discussion. He brings up some valid points that nobody here should be afraid to discuss.

[H. E. Panqui]

lolol. Alex Jones lost credibility a LONG time ago. Just because you finally figured out that he is a stooge, don't get all freaked out.

...you give me a good hoot with this thread jm drake...but liberty eagle has gotcha by the throat here^^....

jm drake asserts: "What I didn't expect is that nearly half of the liberty movement would become enthralled with Donald freaking Trump and use the same "he's playing 3D chess" argument to defend that ad nauseum."



....donald trump didn't/doesn't get any support from any honest 'liberty movement'...neither did stinking ronald reagan...or any stinking republican except ron paul...alone...and ron paul is gone...and so is the 'liberty movement within the stinking republican party incorporated...

[dannno]

If Rand was invited to Bilderberg and went, I woudn't blame him.. wouldn't you want to know what the hell is going on there? Even if he couldn't say anything, even if he decided to never attend again, it might be worth going just to see what it is all about, what kind of pressure these people going get and what all happens. Bilderberg has had moles in it for many, many years.. if they are going to infiltrate the liberty movement, why shouldn't be be trying to infiltrate them?

jmdrake,if you have such great inside info feel free to pm me, maybe i'll back you up if you have some solid info... but just knowing he has been going to the meetings by itself isn't an automatic disqualifier for me.

[jmdrake]

Yeah i watched it, it was pretty funny. However, even Chris Tucker admitted it was not his home country in a roundabout way. Didn't you get it?

I got it. You didn't. You apparently missed the part where Chris Tucker came back and said "But then I did see someone that reminded me of uncle Johnny from back home." You don't get it! Chris Tucker was simultaneously saying both that Africa wasn't exactly home but at the same time it was. If Chris Tucker's humor is too obtuse to understand, watch this clip where Chris Tucker is being serious. Note that when Chris Tucker gets to Africa he says "I'm back home."

Well, I can assure you I am not one of those people at the moment or in any moment. I know there is a shadow government in this country. I know that most politicians are liars and I know that most of congress holds their alliance to corporations and not the people. War makes lots of money and also helps them decrease the surplus population in the process.

You are not understanding the analogy. I'm saying the "Obama is really not even Kenyan" conspiracy theory is analogous to the "Saddam was lying and saying he had WMD" conspiracy theory. Obama didn't say he was born in Kenya. Michelle didn't say he was born in Kenya. Most African Americans call Africa "the homeland." If understanding how blacks think is too foreign for you to get, then look at Jews and Israel. Jews have a "right of return" according to the state of Israel but they are returning to a land where they were not born! Why? Because, rightly or wrongly, Jews view Israel as the homeland for all Jews regardless of where they are actually born.

[jmdrake]

If Rand was invited to Bilderberg and went, I woudn't blame him.. wouldn't you want to know what the hell is going on there? Even if he couldn't say anything, even if he decided to never attend again, it might be worth going just to see what it is all about, what kind of pressure these people going get and what all happens. Bilderberg has had moles in it for many, many years.. if they are going to infiltrate the liberty movement, why shouldn't be be trying to infiltrate them?

jmdrake,if you have such great inside info feel free to pm me, maybe i'll back you up if you have some solid info... but just knowing he has been going to the meetings by itself isn't an automatic disqualifier for me.

Danno, if it turned out that Rand's birth certificate was forged would that cause you to stop supporting him? I doubt it.

If it turns out that Rand cheated on a test to become an obstetrician would that cause you to stop supporting him? Probably not.

We've caught Rand Paul in lies and we still support him.

Jesus said "Judge not that ye be not judged for by whatever standard you judge others you will be judged."

I don't need "inside information" to know that it is wrong to hold outgoing president Obama to a different standard that you are holding incoming president Trump. Have you ever watched the movie "I time to kill?" The most powerful scene in the movie is where Matthew McConehey (sp) is giving his closing arguments in the trial defending Samuel L. Jackson for killing two white men in cold blood who raped his daughter. Matthew told the jury "Close your eyes and imagine what happened to that little girl.....now imagine she's white." Well Dannno, close your eyes and imagine a Bilderberg member introducing Hillary Clinton at the DNC and Rachel Maddow praising this and Rachel Maddow praising Hillary for waiving the rainbow flag at the DNC and Rachel Maddow saying "That evil Rand Paul is friends with Ted Cruz and Ted Cruz was on stage with a pastor who said we should execute gays" when you know that's based in a lie. (I hope you know that the claim Paul Joseph Watson made that the pastor in question was calling for the execution of gays is a lie. If you don't then it's time you educate yourself by going to the thread I linked to in the OP.)

Dannno, hypocrisy itself is wrong. And I don't need "inside information" to know its wrong. If this movement is going to take the position that we will blindly trust whoever is going to secret society meetings because they might be helping us, then we are no better than Obamabots and Bushbots and it's time to close this forum down and all go our separate ways. Seriously it is. Why did I finally cut my ties to the democratic party? When I found John Kerry was part of the same secret society as George W. Bush. Remember this?



Now, I could have taken your attitude and said "Well I trust John Kerry. I voted for John Kerry. John Kerry is one of the good guys. I'm just going to tell myself that John Kerry joined the Skull and Bones to use his powers for good."

Again, we can look to what happened to the liberty movement once Thiel met with Rand to see that no good has come of it. Rand endorsed Mitt Romney. Rand picked up neocon talking points. Rand's associate "the Southern Avenger" wrote an article attacking anyone who questioned the Bilderberg Group. Rand flipped from openly exposing the Bilderberg group to running from someone asking him a question and seeking to have that reporters credentials taken away. Rand has not only made statements that have caused even people like Matt "Rand is playing 3D chess" Collins to question Rand, but Rand has taken votes that have caused his most ardent supporters to question him. So....who got the most out of the relationship? Rand or the Bilderbergers? And now, based on that same "We must trust Rand even when he does questionable things" mentality, you and others refuse to put your brain in gear and question Trump. I know you are smart enough to see what's going on without me providing you with any "inside information" but you go along with it anyway. It's called false hope. I've seen it among Obamabots and Bushbots. No matter what you tell them they will always come up with some excuse as to why their guy isn't/wasn't wrong. Dannno, I consider you a friend, but I'm telling you that you've put your brain in neutral when it comes to Trump. I saw it when you were ready to assume the worst about Ted Cruz yet I've never seen you willing to admit anything wrong with Trump. Not anything. Such outlooks simply aren't healthy for a liberty movement. Yeah! The guy you supported won! Yippie! Awesome! I remember what it felt like to vote for a winner in a presidential election. I have not done that since Bill Clinton's re-election. And from 2008 on everyone I've voted for in the primary and the general presidential elections have not come close to winning. I'll take Ron Paul's single electoral college vote as a small victory. And enjoy your moment while you have it. After Obama got elected the first time random white people that I didn't know would come up to me on the street, hive five me and say "We did it!" I didn't have the heart to take away their cross-racial moment. I get that some don't like me pissing on their MAGA moment. Glad you're at least respectful about it. When you wake up again and see what's really going on we can talk about it and I won't rub it in. But I will say this. Interested Participant was right. He was right about everything. The man is (was?) a freaking prophet. I just hope the rest of the prophecy doesn't come true.

[jmdrake]

...you give me a good hoot with this thread jm drake...but liberty eagle has gotcha by the throat here^^....

jm drake asserts: "What I didn't expect is that nearly half of the liberty movement would become enthralled with Donald freaking Trump and use the same "he's playing 3D chess" argument to defend that ad nauseum."



....donald trump didn't/doesn't get any support from any honest 'liberty movement'...neither did stinking ronald reagan...or any stinking republican except ron paul...alone...and ron paul is gone...and so is the 'liberty movement within the stinking republican party incorporated...

LOL. Touche'. Now can you explain to me how someone who understands that Alex Jones is a stooge can't figure out that Donald Trump is a stooge? Please explain that to me because I don't get it. And I see what you're doing with talking about the "honest liberty movement." Well call me Polly Anna, but I have a hard time digesting the idea that all of these people that are driving me nuts with their hypocritical support of Trump are liars. Maybe that's true, maybe it isn't, but it doesn't sit well on my stomach.

[jmdrake]

I don't necessarily buy the line of reason, but how on God's green Earth are you having trouble following it?

The reasoning goes as follows:

One of Trump's primary advisors, Peter Thiel, is a self-admitted Bilderberger. (implied: The Bilderbergers are one of the architects of the NWO, therefore Trump's close association with a Bilderberger in this context warrants a more critical investigation.) He hopes that the Trump supporters who consider themselves drawn by the truth, will continue to uphold the truth even when it goes against their guy. He then presents Thiel's links to Bilderberger.

I mean come on, that's only slightly more convoluted than Learning To Read With Dick And Jane.

It's maybe possible that you do not agree with his line of reason, but seriously, how in Sam Hill are you unable to follow it?

Thank you. Thank you thank you thank you.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's amazing how well you can understand and explain this Gunny with you being someone who discounts conspiracy theories. Or maybe it's because you discount conspiracy theories so you are not susceptible to the "Peter Thiel is really a secret double agent infiltrating the Bilderberg group for the purpose of liberty because this top secret Luciferian organization is too stupid to realize such a thing can happen and they are too stupid to see that Peter Thiel donated to Rand and Ron Paul so we'll keep that our little secret that we've plastered all over an internet forum that we know is monitored by our enemies but they are not as clever as we are" conspiracy theory.

Seriously, I can't stand hypocrisy. And lately this place is reeking of it. It's a simple choice really if you don't want to be justly labelled a hypocrite, idiot, liar, racist or simply a naive boob. Either engage in conspiracy theories even when they cut against "your guy" or don't. If you just want to talk about issues, then just talk about issues. Hey, here's an issue I haven't seen anybody here talk about. Obama said women should be drafted. You want to knock down "Obama's legacy", well talk about something that many of his supporters wouldn't like (trust me on this. I've brought this up and his supporters don't like it.) rather than going on and on about already debunked birth certificate conspiracy theories that, if believed, actually prove that Obama really is a naturally born citizen and legitimate POTUS. Seriously, I gave some possible credence to the "birther" conspiracy until the "conspiracy within a conspiracy" that Obama's father was "Really a commie pornographer" came out. Ummmmmmmm............WHO GIVE A F#*#%%%$U%%$C&&&&&K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!^*^

But no. People can't actually talk about issues. Why is that? I have my suspicion. If you start talking about issues, eventually you will accidentally stumble upon one that makes your guy look bad. Let's talk about government stealing land......Oh wait. Trump supports that. Let's talk about the second amendment and assault weapons bans.....oh wait. It was less than two decades ago that Trump wrote in his book that he supported an assault weapons ban. Let's talk about the failure of the Obama/Clinton regime change policy in Libya. Oh wait....Trump gave full throttle support for that and he even wanted ground troops to go in. And if we talk about Obama wanting women drafted we may find Donald J. Trump supporting that in a year or so as well. So I guess the only safe thing is to selectively talk about conspiracy theories. Whatever sinks your ship because y'all most certainly aren't floating any boats with this crap. And again....if the shoe fits wear it. If this doesn't describe you then I'm not talking about you. But if you can't see people here that it does describe then you are blind.

[Weston White]

You are not understanding the analogy. I'm saying the "Obama is really not even Kenyan" conspiracy theory is analogous to the "Saddam was lying and saying he had WMD" conspiracy theory. Obama didn't say he was born in Kenya. Michelle didn't say he was born in Kenya. Most African Americans call Africa "the homeland." If understanding how blacks think is too foreign for you to get, then look at Jews and Israel. Jews have a "right of return" according to the state of Israel but they are returning to a land where they were not born! Why? Because, rightly or wrongly, Jews view Israel as the homeland for all Jews regardless of where they are actually born.

1. Hussein didn't that, United States political tyrants said that in support of the MIC.
2. Obama is an American, not an African American--you cannot have it both ways, he was either born in the USA or he/his parents emigrated here along with him.
3. Being black is not a religion, as is Judaism.

[jmdrake]

1. Hussein didn't that, United States political tyrants said that in support of the MIC.

I didn't say Hussein did that. I'm saying people who can't deal with the fact that there are no WMDs made up a new conspiracy to explain why there were no WMDs and blamed Hussein for saying there were WMDs! Surely you are intelligent enough to understand that. Similarly, failing to proof Obama was born in Kenya, birthers came up with a new "conspiracy within a conspiracy" that his father really was and American born communist pornographer. So....supposedly Obama pretended to be born of a foreign muslim because......???? No real reason. Doesn't matter. Just roll with it.

2. Obama is an American, not an African American--you cannot have it both ways, he was either born in the USA or he/his parents emigrated here along with him.

I'm not the one trying to have it both ways. I'm not the one promoting a conspiracy within a conspiracy.

3. Being black is not a religion, as is Judaism.

You understand that atheist Jews also have a right of return to Israel and call Israel their "homeland" right? How does that follow if being Jewish is only a religion? Hint....it's not.

Also I have posted incontrovertible proof at this point that Chris Tucker, who is black, said when he got to Africa "I'm back home" even though everybody knows he was born in the U.S.A. and he has never denied being born in the U.S.A. Now certain people don't like it when I call people who are doing what you are doing "idiots." So I'm not going to call you and idiot. I am going to say that you are intelligent enough not to make the idiotic argument that you are making.

[Weston White]

1. The claim is that Hussein denial of having WMD was evidence that he did in fact have WMD--to wit, both assertions were complete contrivances and bull$#@!.

2. Being Jewish, blurs the lines between both one's ethnicity and religion, being black or African or African American does not.

3. Chris Tucker is a comic/actor, his comments are supposed to be representative of an entire race or culture?

[jmdrake]

1. The claim is that Hussein denial of having WMD was evidence that he did in fact have WMD--to wit, both assertions were complete contrivances and bull$#@!.

Yes. And that's precisely why I'm analogizing that to the Obama birther "conspiracy within a conspiracy" that Obama really didn't even have a Kenya father. It is a complete contrivance and bull$%#%. Thank you for showing the intelligence to understand what I am saying and to realize that I'm right.

2. Being Jewish, blurs the lines between both one's ethnicity and religion, being black or African or African American does not.

What he $#@! does religion have to do with having a homeland anyway? Do Catholics call Rome their "homeland"? Your entire argument is stupid beyond belief and you are intelligent enough not to make it. Atheist Jews can call Israel their homeland because Israel being their homeland is based on their ethnicity, not their religion.

3. Chris Tucker is a comic/actor, his comments are supposed to be representative of an entire race or culture?

Chris Tucker provides incontrovertible proof that at least one black person who was never born in Africa considers Africa "home." That means that Michelle and Barack Obama could consider Kenya to be Barack's "homeland" without Barack having been born there simply based on the fact that Barack's father was born there. For he record I actually am black, have been for my entire life, have been immersed in black culture for my entire life, and I can honestly say that most black people I know refer to Africa as their "homeland" or "mother land" or "mother Africa" or some other saying that means the same thing.

So, once again, your argument is stupid beyond all belief and I am fully convinced that you are intelligent enough not to make it. So why do you keep making it?

[Weston White]

Yes. And that's precisely why I'm analogizing that to the Obama birther "conspiracy within a conspiracy" that Obama really didn't even have a Kenya father. It is a complete contrivance and bull$%#%. Thank you for showing the intelligence to understand what I am saying and to realize that I'm right.

Perhaps, he did, it is just that it is that he was likely not his birth father. The issue is one of misdirection designed to conceal the real truth behind his involvement with Frank "Dreams From my Real Father" Davis.

What he $#@! does religion have to do with having a homeland anyway? Do Catholics call Rome their "homeland"? Your entire argument is stupid beyond belief and you are intelligent enough not to make it. Atheist Jews can call Israel their homeland because Israel being their homeland is based on their ethnicity, not their religion.

1. I don't know you are the one bring the Jewish faith into the mix. To me "homeland" depicts communist beliefs, governmental supremacy, and social tyranny.
2. Catholics are composed of many ethnicities as are Christians--Jews are fairly unique in this respect, and possibly practitioners of Buddhism and the like.
3. No other religion has their place and people biblically solidified--which really is probably why the feel justified in calling it their homeland.

Chris Tucker provides incontrovertible proof that at least one black person who was never born in Africa considers Africa "home." That means that Michelle and Barack Obama could consider Kenya to be Barack's "homeland" without Barack having been born there simply based on the fact that Barack's father was born there. For he record I actually am black, have been for my entire life, have been immersed in black culture for my entire life, and I can honestly say that most black people I know refer to Africa as their "homeland" or "mother land" or "mother Africa" or some other saying that means the same thing.

And his mother was born in the United States.

Hmm... So why specifically Kenya? (Surely she would actually know much better than Obama ever would after all.) http://www.wnd.com/2009/08/107524/

So why not say both American and Kenya are his home country?

You see no issue with the sitting president of America (including his family), referring allegiances to other nations?

[H. E. Panqui]

jm drake: "..Now can you explain to me how someone who understands that Alex Jones is a stooge can't figure out that Donald Trump is a stooge? Please explain that to me because I don't get it. And I see what you're doing with talking about the "honest liberty movement." Well call me Polly Anna, but I have a hard time digesting the idea that all of these people that are driving me nuts with their hypocritical support of Trump are liars. Maybe that's true, maybe it isn't, but it doesn't sit well on my stomach..."

...none of this surprises me...i sense there are a lot of 'republican leaners' here...and republican leaners gonna lean republican...as to 'liberty eagle' in particular, i believe you'll find a person who would've found a way/a line of reasoning to support/favor ANY republican over any [hated] democrat...liberty eagle's favored brand of nationalism/economic nationalism, etc., apparently lines up with at least some of trump's rhetoric..so liberty eagle 'likes' trump...

...i hate to break it to you, but i suspect had, say, ted stinking cruz been the nominee you and liberty eagle would be on the same page...[am i right?] ...you both would grumble a little...but you'd both line up behind ted stinking cruz vs. any stinking democrat...

...i, on the other hand, find few important differences between trump, cruz, hillary clinton or ANY stinking republicrat...i would never support any of them...but admittedly, in my past life i can see myself supporting maybe a trump or even a bernie sanders, etc....been there, done that...so i can't really get too worked up...it doesn't surprise me...

...we are all unique creatures with unique experiences, worldviews/understandings, etc...i find you and a few others here spot-on on certain 'issues' (btw, it's rare for me to find anyone i agree with in real life like i do here)...but i find you an odd, [but likable and interesting] crank on certain issues too...and i'm almost positive you find me an odd crank on certain issues too... [btw, lack of interest/concern in 'the money thing/fraud' profoundly perplexes me about most people]

[timosman]

As far as I can tell jmdrake is well within his right to discuss what he wishes to discuss. He is not being disrespectful of any of the posters although I can't say that about everyone posting in this discussion. He brings up some valid points that nobody here should be afraid to discuss.

You are right. @jmdrake is not overly agitated at all.

[Kade]

The truth is that people who care about liberty have much more to be concerned about regarding an incoming president Trump than they do an outgoing president Obama. I question the sincerity of people who are even now obsessing over Obama's birth certificate yet either openly support Trump or at the very least are being silent about the clear and present danger we face from Trump. We can joke about it, but it's no laughing matter. Say if Trump actually activates the plans the NWO has been putting into place? Who's going to stand against him when half of the liberty movement is enthralled with him? The MSM? They discount the "conspiarcy theories" outright. In two words....we're screwed. Welcome to the party. We're on the menu.

I'm still around. A great deal of us are still around, despite what very, very little representation we have anywhere.

The people I knew in 2007-08, Boston area, those liberty movement folks, you will always have allies in other movements, and you know where to find us. Our differences are now minor... and you hopefully see the poison that has infected your movement. Our own is cleaning up house.

At this point the I told you so is worthless to me, as are many of the conspiratorial elements... the threat however, of losing the Republic is real. Time for us to lose some of our misgivings and take each other more seriously, and know that we have the best interest of our country and our countrymen at heart.