Where Does The GOP Go From Here?

[trey4sports]

I would love to see the GOP become the party of limited government, sound money and decentralization but who knows what will happen. I was listening to "Part of The Problem" (Dave Smith's podcast) and his concern was that the division and polarization could give rise to a right-wing authoritarian.

What do you guys think?

P.S. definitely check out Part of The Problem Podcast if you haven't already.

[Krugminator2]

Donald Trump was such a unique candidate driven by personality. I honestly don't know which direction the Republican Party goes on policy.

I really don't see a small government person winning unless they have a unique set of circumstances and are extremely gifted like Reagan where their personality overpowers policy.

[enhanced_deficit]

To borrow a phrase from once GOP rising star, Condi Rice, GOP will be going through rebirthing pains, some purging, some rethinking or rather thinking about what it will stand for going forward.
Thoughts on this from other thread:

GOP Rebirth Post Trump , purging, new belief in 'Follow the money'

Political historians will be studying for decades this campaign and election outcom and how deep pockets ziocons' (right wing factions) money lost its power. Since Iraqi Freedom War, no election has been won by a vocally "pro Israel" candidate. GOP-Adelson wing seems to be to the left of Biden on some issues and no different than Democrats on progressive socialism, big gummit debt spending etc. If they got spanked out of politics for good this week, only got themselves to blame.

GOP as a party was already almost over thanks to Bush-Cheney faithfuls standing by them during second Bush term. New progressive socialist wing that had emerged as Likudnites championing Dems-lite would now fall as quickly as it rose. Time will tell how GOP will handle 'follow the money' doctrine going forward and how next phases of GOP purging itself deep cons funded tools will shape up but won't be surprised GOP will go through major house cleaning. If somewhat demoralized GOP leaders are sensible, Biden Presidency could provide a fertile grounds for borth of a genuine small gummit, America-First, libertarian leaning garssroots party. But that is probably wishful optimism looking at past track record but who knows. Alternative could be GOP rebirth as Dems-lite ( "slowspeed progressives" advertizing as conservatives but in reality always trailing Dems on every issue by few years margin).

[Anti Globalist]

In order for the GOP to become a party of limited government, Rand and Massie would have to constantly be in the spotlight. Theres also a option of Trump running in 2024, but that's pretty unlikely. He'll also probably still be talked about by the media. I find it hard to believe that he'll disappear into the background and we never hear from him again.

[PAF]

I would love to see the GOP become the party of limited government, sound money and decentralization but who knows what will happen. I was listening to "Part of The Problem" (Dave Smith's podcast) and his concern was that the division and polarization could give rise to a right-wing authoritarian.

What do you guys think?

P.S. definitely check out Part of The Problem Podcast if you haven't already.

This is an excellent question with a dire answer.

The disgust that I have with the "republican" party is far greater than the "democrat" party. Democrats are at least up front and sincere. Republicans are back-stabbing liars who cannot be counted on. Since Ron Paul ran in 2012, I have seen this forum transform from one of principle, to "take as many up the ass as long as my team wins".

Talking to members of my bi-monthly liberty meeting group, I made the point that if Ron Paul Forum members no longer stand on principle, how am I to even fathom that "at home" average voters would even look at Records and hold-them-accountable.

The threads on this forum are perfect indicators. On The Records are ignored, never discussed, little to no rallying to contact representatives, issues such as "Follow the Money", and funding lobbyists, Bill Gates-tied and biotech companies on the Tax-Payer-Dime, the HUGEST DEBT the world has ever seen, all pushed clear to the bottom to make way for "other team bad".

While the following go almost completely ignored:

Donald Trump On The Record

President Trump’s FY 2021 Budget

All I hear about are commies, jacobins, marxists, liBROtarians, etc. throw in the kitchen sink, always making up pathetic excuses, rather than holding ones own party fully accountable.

I have concluded from conversation and observation that 99% of the people, including here, truly do NOT want limited to no government, liberty and freedom. Politics is nothing but a "sports team" past time and as long as it exists, people are content in blaming the other team.

What is true in the arts is true here also: 99% of the people think they know. 1% of the people truly do know. Of those 1%, only one half of 1% have what it truly takes.

End result: Pay your taxes and quit your crying. The 2-party duopoly is guaranteed to strongly survive and outlive everybody - by your choice.

[AngryCanadian]

In order for the GOP to become a party of limited government, Rand and Massie would have to constantly be in the spotlight.

They need to let go of their NeoCon past with the Bush Era and no more Pro NeoCon polices. Them becoming anti censorship would be a start.

[Pauls' Revere]

just adopt the official DNC platform.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

There's going to be a big push to go back to the party of Bush. You're already seeing the seeds of it. But it won't work. Whatever the GOP is, it won't be the same part from 2002.

[Pauls' Revere]

They need to let go of their NeoCon past with the Bush Era and no more Pro NeoCon polices. Them becoming anti censorship would be a start.

But its easier than presenting a valid argument against the left.

[Brian4Liberty]

I would love to see the GOP become the party of limited government, sound money and decentralization but who knows what will happen. I was listening to "Part of The Problem" (Dave Smith's podcast) and his concern was that the division and polarization could give rise to a right-wing authoritarian.

What do you guys think?

P.S. definitely check out Part of The Problem Podcast if you haven't already.

I believe I saw where the Lincoln Project is pushing hard for Democrat Senate races right now, so if they and their minions stay with the Democrats, it’s a good thing. The GOP needs to disavow the neocons like Romney, Graham, Cheney, etc.

[Brian4Liberty]

This is an excellent question with a dire answer.

The disgust that I have with the "republican" party is far greater than the "democrat" party. Democrats are at least up front and sincere. Republicans are back-stabbing liars who cannot be counted on. Since Ron Paul ran in 2012, I have seen this forum transform from one of principle, to "take as many up the ass as long as my team wins".

Talking to members of my bi-monthly liberty meeting group, I made the point that if Ron Paul Forum members no longer stand on principle, how am I to even fathom that "at home" average voters would even look at Records and hold-them-accountable.

The threads on this forum are perfect indicators. On The Records are ignored, never discussed, little to no rallying to contact representatives, issues such as "Follow the Money", and funding lobbyists, Bill Gates-tied and biotech companies on the Tax-Payer-Dime, the HUGEST DEBT the world has ever seen, all pushed clear to the bottom to make way for "other team bad".

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You may be selectively judging the forum based upon threads you don’t like. And you may be ignoring the fact that threads where everyone generally agrees don't get bumped. If there is nothing to disagree with, people read it and think okay, good stuff. It is the nature of forums, social media and the internet. It’s a symptom of human nature.

Like the often false Left/Right narrative, controversy sells.

[ResponsibleIdiot]

The GOP goes nowhere.

Yeah, a few of them might have some principles, a few of them might even have some good ideas on how to roll back the state.

But they're missing one thing that Trump has. Some fukking balls. Like all politicians, Republicans don't want to offend anybody or tell the truth when it's inconvenient. Who's going to use some politically incorrect harsh language against the left? Trump was so offensive to these people that he made them throw the first punch (that people actually noticed). Who's ready to get hated by everyone and not only take it, but strike back? Are these Republicans willing to take the non-stop onslaught of attacks from the left and come out unscathed?

[AngryCanadian]

I believe I saw where the Lincoln Project is pushing hard for Democrat Senate races right now, so if they and their minions stay with the Democrats, it’s a good thing. The GOP needs to disavow the neocons like Romney, Graham, Cheney, etc.

You know whoever is posting public or private addresses of those American citizens on a public they are committing a federal crime. In Canada this would be illegal and shut down by authorities.

[PAF]

The GOP goes nowhere.

Yeah, a few of them might have some principles, a few of them might even have some good ideas on how to roll back the state.

But they're missing one thing that Trump has. Some fukking balls. Like all politicians, Republicans don't want to offend anybody or tell the truth when it's inconvenient. Who's going to use some politically incorrect harsh language against the left? Trump was so offensive to these people that he made them throw the first punch (that people actually noticed). Who's ready to get hated by everyone and not only take it, but strike back? Are these Republicans willing to take the non-stop onslaught of attacks from the left and come out unscathed?

You seem to be forgetting:

Some dude is hanging out with a bunch of friends. He talks smack about the other guy, saying how bad and evil he is. When his friends go home, the dude goes into a dark alley and slips the other guy he was talking smack about a few Billion bucks. The guy takes the few Billion and proceeds with his goal. Yes, Trump has balls that big, and he was right - he could commit murder out in the open and still get away with it; he awarded Gates-tied companies Billions and Billions of tax-payer money and few in his party seem to even care.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

This is an excellent question with a dire answer.

The disgust that I have with the "republican" party is far greater than the "democrat" party. Democrats are at least up front and sincere. Republicans are back-stabbing liars who cannot be counted on. Since Ron Paul ran in 2012, I have seen this forum transform from one of principle, to "take as many up the ass as long as my team wins".

Talking to members of my bi-monthly liberty meeting group, I made the point that if Ron Paul Forum members no longer stand on principle, how am I to even fathom that "at home" average voters would even look at Records and hold-them-accountable.

The threads on this forum are perfect indicators. On The Records are ignored, never discussed, little to no rallying to contact representatives, issues such as "Follow the Money", and funding lobbyists, Bill Gates-tied and biotech companies on the Tax-Payer-Dime, the HUGEST DEBT the world has ever seen, all pushed clear to the bottom to make way for "other team bad".

While the following go almost completely ignored:

Donald Trump On The Record

President Trump’s FY 2021 Budget

All I hear about are commies, jacobins, marxists, liBROtarians, etc. throw in the kitchen sink, always making up pathetic excuses, rather than holding ones own party fully accountable.

I have concluded from conversation and observation that 99% of the people, including here, truly do NOT want limited to no government, liberty and freedom. Politics is nothing but a "sports team" past time and as long as it exists, people are content in blaming the other team.

What is true in the arts is true here also: 99% of the people think they know. 1% of the people truly do know. Of those 1%, only one half of 1% have what it truly takes.

End result: Pay your taxes and quit your crying. The 2-party duopoly is guaranteed to strongly survive and outlive everybody - by your choice.

The Republican party tried to stop DJT from getting the nomination, or does everyone have a short memory?

[PAF]

The Republican party tried to stop DJT from getting the nomination, or does everyone have a short memory?

Dog and Pony.

[ResponsibleIdiot]

Dog and Pony.

I have a feeling that whenever anyone on this forum says anything nice about a public figure, you're right there to say that it's all orchestrated. You act like you're the only one that knows "the truth". Good luck with that.

[69360]

Just go back to a normal respectable party like they used to be. Fiscally conservative, limited government, maybe dial back the social issues a bit and they will be fine.

[eleganz]

Dog and Pony.

Not what podesta private emails said.

Dems were genuinely scared of Rand, Cruz, and Rubio.

They wanted to use Trump as a stooge because they thought they could beat him easily.

Half the GOP genuinely hated Trump at the time. A RNC senior committeeman proudly told me they were plotting to take him down at the convention. Cruz also wanted this and likely part of the plot.

You're really not as smart as you think you are buddy.



As for OP, Trump showed GOP the blueprint to avert their devastating path of implosion. No matter how this electoral college game theory plays out next year, if GOP wants to keep winning, they will continue with the Trump messaging. If it weren't for the fraud in the northern swing states, it was a national Trump landslide. He got 2-3x black and 2x hispanic support, he did better than expected with suburban voters and women too, as opposed to what the mainstream conventional wisdom were trying to say. If the GOP were smart, they'd want to retain those new voter demographics.

[Slave Mentality]

I have a feeling that whenever anyone on this forum says anything nice about a public figure, you're right there to say that it's all orchestrated. You act like you're the only one that knows "the truth". Good luck with that.

You are not within a stone’s throw of the truth if you are even taking a little sip of the orchestrated two party duopoly system. I will reference WWE Monday Night Smackdown. They clobber each other in front of the crowds and do tequila shots together after the match. That’s the truth. The evidence is everywhere and in everything you do.

[Todd]

The GOP never really wanted Trump to begin with so they go exactly where they were going to go in 2016. Probably nominating a runof the mill Pence. I don’t believe they can nominate a strong Liberty candidate anymore. It would have to be a personality and wallet as big as Trump to get a populist campaign running again.

My focus will be on more local just as guys like Mike Maresco and Glen Bradley have been talking about for some years. Maybe the future really is in orgs like YAL.

Does the law state that Trump couldn’t seek a second term against Biden next time? Lord help us

[ResponsibleIdiot]

You are not within a stone’s throw of the truth if you are even taking a little sip of the orchestrated two party duopoly system. I will reference WWE Monday Night Smackdown. They clobber each other in front of the crowds and do tequila shots together after the match. That’s the truth. The evidence is everywhere and in everything you do.

Ron Paul was part of that two party system and ran for president as a republican. Maybe he would have done better as a Libertarian Party or independent candidate. Yeah, the republican establishment was against Ron Paul when he ran, and the establishment was against Trump in 2016. Give Trump some credit. He won. Ron Paul has the right ideas, but it's not hard to say that he isn't cut out for this shiit. He's not. He lacks Trump's bravado and alpha-male-ness. Ron Paul got eaten up.

[Sammy]

The election is still not over.

[vita3]

Only thing that is certain right now in regards to Election is Republicans gained in the House.

Freedom is popular & so is lower taxes

[oyarde]

just adopt the official DNC platform.

True , raising taxes , killing babies and driving jobs overseas is hard to beat with the constituents . They seem to love it .

[Anti Globalist]

The election is still not over.

True, but Trump has such an uphill to climb in these upcoming legal battles, it's most likely not going to go in his favor. Win or lose, Trump won't be running in 2024.

[Anti Globalist]

Imagine if the GOP had a candidate that has Ron Paul's love for freedom and liberty and an alpha male personality. That candidate would be pretty much impossible to beat.

[PAF]

Ron Paul was part of that two party system and ran for president as a republican. Maybe he would have done better as a Libertarian Party or independent candidate. Yeah, the republican establishment was against Ron Paul when he ran, and the establishment was against Trump in 2016. Give Trump some credit. He won. Ron Paul has the right ideas, but it's not hard to say that he isn't cut out for this shiit. He's not. He lacks Trump's bravado and alpha-male-ness. Ron Paul got eaten up.

The political party system is not the answer; it is up to a moral people, which cannot be legislated. As far as Ron, you could not be more wrong. Tell me who else has the gonads to put this on their desk - at the White House:




Start at the 2 minute mark:

[trey4sports]

The GOP never really wanted Trump to begin with so they go exactly where they were going to go in 2016. Probably nominating a runof the mill Pence. I don’t believe they can nominate a strong Liberty candidate anymore. It would have to be a personality and wallet as big as Trump to get a populist campaign running again.

My focus will be on more local just as guys like Mike Maresco and Glen Bradley have been talking about for some years. Maybe the future really is in orgs like YAL.

Does the law state that Trump couldn’t seek a second term against Biden next time? Lord help us

That is the truth! YAL is doing incredible work. We have something like 110 YAL endorsed state legislators. We will have a deep bench in the coming years. Even if we lose congressional races 5 to 1, if we field 15 YAL candidates we're bound to get a few victories.

[Pauls' Revere]

True , raising taxes , killing babies and driving jobs overseas is hard to beat with the constituents . They seem to love it .

Increased budget deficits, Trade imbalances, stimulus by fiat, tax & spend, yep the list is long.