Trump Picking Pence As Running Mate

[LibertyEagle]

You are looking for a direct quote. This authors makes the case using trumps actions and words over a period of time. There are actually several other articles that make the same case. But i didn't want to clog up the thread. And I've learned that those who worship the Cheeto Man, don't care about facts. Cognitive dissonance requires they reject them. Bending facts to fit a fictional character messiah.

I think these stories are jerking your chain, Torch. CPU knows full well that Trump never said or intimated anything of the sort, yet, he/she doesn't hesitate to make the claim.

[LibertyEagle]

Don't bother explaining to them. Trump supporters are dumb as rocks. They still think he's "anti-establishment."

Facts matter and unfortunately, the claim made by CPUd is not supported by them. Does that even matter to you?

[Pizzo]

Anti-establishment outsider Mike Pence...

[Ender]

Don't let anyone stop your from making $#@! up.

No one in this thread called it a geniouses pick. Buy go on make $#@! up.

What's a "geniouses"?



Liviosa!

(JK- time for some fun. )

[jllundqu]

Please quote where Trump has said he could resign...

Do it now.

[LibertyEagle]

And if you notice, CPU has been unable to back up his assertion. It was a lie.

[LibertyEagle]

Anti-establishment outsider Mike Pence...

No, he's a piece of crap.

[Pizzo]

No, he's a piece of crap.

Indeed.

[Ender]

Facts matter and unfortunately, the claim made by CPUd is not supported by them. Does that even matter to you?

http://www.theonion.com/graphic/dona...-vs-fact-52913

[Bryan]

Don't bother explaining to them. Trump supporters are dumb as rocks.

As I've said elsewhere... this type of rhetoric proves nothing, has no intellectual value, just drives people into a bigger divide, degrades the level of discourse of the site and often leads to retaliation name calling and more. This isn't what we want. We appreciate your help in elevating the site discourse and thus supporting our mission of liberty.

As we are right on the issues (including not supporting Trump) we can use solid arguments and not rely on name calling.

Thanks.

[Brian4Liberty]

Where does Pence stand?

Pence: Baghdad Bazaar Is Like ‘Any Open-Air Market In Indiana In The Summertime’

Mike Pence on War & Peace
Republican Representative (IN-6)



Voted YES on banning armed forces in Libya without Congressional approval.
RESOLUTION Declaring that the President shall not deploy, establish, or maintain the presence of US Armed Forces in Libya, pursuant to the War Powers Resolution.

The House of Representatives makes the following statements of policy:
The US Armed Forces shall be used exclusively to defend and advance the national security interests of the US.
The President has failed to provide Congress with a compelling rationale based upon US national security interests for current US military activities regarding Libya.
The President shall not deploy, establish, or maintain the presence of units and members of the US Armed Forces on the ground in Libya unless the purpose of the presence is to rescue a member of the Armed Forces from imminent danger.

The President shall transmit a report describing in detail US security interests and objectives, and the activities of US Armed Forces, in Libya since March 19, 2011, including a description of the following:

The President's justification for not seeking authorization by Congress for the use of military force in Libya.
US political and military objectives regarding Libya, including the relationship between the intended objectives and the operational means being employed to achieve them.
Changes in US political and military objectives following the assumption of command by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).
Differences between US political and military objectives regarding Libya and those of other NATO member states engaged in military activities.
The specific commitments by the US to ongoing NATO activities regarding Libya.
The anticipated scope and duration of continued US military involvement in Libya.
The costs of military, political, and humanitarian efforts concerning Libya as of June 3, 2011.

Congress has the constitutional prerogative to withhold funding for any unauthorized use of the US States Armed Forces, including for unauthorized activities regarding Libya.
Reference: Resolution on Libya; Bill HRes294 ; vote number 11-HV410 on Jun 3, 2011

Voted NO on investigating Bush impeachment for lying about Iraq.
OnTheIssues.org Explanation: This vote is on referring the impeachment resolution to a Congressional Committee to decide further action (not on impeachment itself).

Congressional Summary: Resolved, That President George W. Bush be impeached for committing the following abuses of power:

Article I--Creating a Secret Propaganda Campaign To Manufacture a False Case for War Against Iraq
Article VI & VIII--Invading Iraq in Violation of H.J. Res. 114, the U.N. Charter and International Criminal Law
Article X--Falsifying Accounts of US Troop Deaths and Injuries for Political Purposes
Article XI--Establishment of Permanent US Military Bases in Iraq
Article XII--Initiating a War Against Iraq for Control of That Nation's Natural Resources
Article XVII--Detaining Indefinitely and Without Charge Persons Both US Citizens and Foreign Captives
Article XXIV--Spying on American Citizens, Without a Court-Ordered Warrant, in Violation of the Fourth Amendment
Article XXVI--Announcing the Intent To Violate Laws With Signing Statements, and Violating Those Laws

Proponents' arguments for voting YEA: Rep. Kucinich: Now is the time for this Congress to examine the actions that led us into this war, just as we must work to bring our troops home. This resolution is a very serious matter and I urge the Committee on Judiciary to investigate and carefully consider this resolution.

Rep. Wasserman-Schultz: Impeachment is a lengthy process which would divide Congress and this nation even more deeply than we are divided right now. Referring this resolution to the House Judiciary Committee is the constitutionally appropriate process that should be pursued.

Rep. Ron Paul: I rise, reluctantly, in favor of referring that resolution to the House Judiciary Committee for full consideration, which essentially directs the committee to examine the issue more closely than it has done to this point.
Reference: The Kucinich Privilege Resolution; Bill H.RES.1258 ; vote number 2008-401 on Jun 11, 2008

Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days.
To provide for the redeployment of US Armed Forces and defense contractors from Iraq. Requires within 90 days to commence the redeployment; and to complete such redeployment within 180 days after its commencement. Prohibits the use of DOD funds to increase the number of US forces serving in Iraq in excess of the number serving in Iraq as of January 1, 2007, unless specifically authorized by Congress. Authorizes retaining in Iraq US forces for providing security for diplomatic missions; for targeting al-Qaeda; and for training Iraqi Security Forces. Requires the President to transfer to the government of Iraq all interest held by the US in any military facility in Iraq.

Proponents support voting YES because:

This war is a terrible tragedy, and it is time to bring it to an end. This is a straightforward bill to redeploy our military forces from Iraq and to end the war in Iraq. This bill does not walk away from the Iraqi people. It specifically continues diplomatic, social, economic, and reconstruction aid. Finally, this bill leaves all the decisions on the locations outside of Iraq to which our troops will be redeployed wholly in the hands of our military commanders.

Opponents support voting NO because:

This legislation embraces surrender and defeat. This legislation undermines our troops and the authority of the President as commander in chief. Opponents express concern about the effects of an ill-conceived military withdrawal, and about any legislation that places military decisions in the hands of politicians rather than the military commanders in the field. The enemy we face in Iraq view this bill as a sign of weakness. Now is not the time to signal retreat and surrender. It is absolutely essential that America, the last remaining superpower on earth, continue to be a voice for peace and a beacon for freedom in our shrinking world.
Reference: Out of Iraq Caucus bill; Bill H R 2237 ; vote number 2007-330 on May 10, 2007

Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date.

Voting YES would support the following resolution (excerpted):
Whereas the United States and its allies are engaged in a Global War on Terror, a long and demanding struggle against an adversary that is driven by hatred of American values and that is committed to imposing, by the use of terror, its repressive ideology throughout the world;
Whereas the terrorists have declared Iraq to be the central front in their war against all who oppose their ideology;
Whereas the United States and its Coalition partners will continue to support Iraq as part of the Global War on Terror:

Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That the House of Representatives--
Honors all those Americans who have taken an active part in the Global War on Terror;
Declares that it is not in the national security interest of the United States to set an arbitrary date for the withdrawal or redeployment of United States Armed Forces from Iraq;
Declares that the United States is committed to the completion of the mission to create a sovereign, free, secure, and united Iraq;
Declares that the United States will prevail in the Global War on Terror, the noble struggle to protect freedom from the terrorist adversary.

Reference: Resolution on Prevailing in the Global War on Terror; Bill HRES 861 ; vote number 2006-288 on Jun 12, 2006

Voted YES on approving removal of Saddam & valiant service of US troops.
States that the House of Representatives:

affirms that the United States and the world have been made safer with the removal of Saddam Hussein and his regime from power in Iraq;
commends the Iraqi people for their courage in the face of unspeakable oppression and brutality inflicted on them by Saddam Hussein's regime;
commends the Iraqi people on the adoption of Iraq's interim constitution; and
commends the members of the U.S. Armed Forces and Coalition forces for liberating Iraq and expresses its gratitude for their valiant service.

Reference: War in Iraq Anniversary resolution; Bill H Res 557 ; vote number 2004-64 on Mar 17, 2004

Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq.
Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq: Passage of the joint resolution that would authorize President Bush to use the US military as he deems necessary and appropriate to defend U.S. national security against Iraq and enforce UN Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq. It would be required that the president report to Congress, no later than 48 hours after using force, his determination that diplomatic options or other peaceful means would not guarantee US national security against Iraq or allow enforcement of UN resolutions and that using force is consistent with anti-terrorism efforts. The resolution would also give specific statutory authorization under the War Powers Resolution. Every 60 days the president would also be required to report to Congress on actions related to the resolution.
Reference: Bill sponsored by Hastert,R-IL; Bill HJRes114 ; vote number 2002-455 on Oct 10, 2002

Solidarity with Israel in its fight against terrorism.
Pence co-sponsored a Congressional Resolution expressing solidarity with Israel:

[The United States] expresses solidarity with Israel as it takes necessary steps to provide security to its people by dismantling the terrorist infrastructure in the Palestinian areas; and

Commits to Israel's right to self-defense and support for additional U.S. assistance.

Condemns the recent wave of Palestinian suicide bombings and the ongoing support and coordination of terror by Yasir Arafat and other members of the Palestinian leadership.

Demands that the Palestinian Authority fulfill its commitment to dismantle the terrorist infrastructure in the Palestinian areas.

Expresses concern that Arafat's actions are not those of a viable partner for peace.

Urges all Arab states to declare their unqualified opposition to all forms of terrorism, particularly suicide bombing, and all parties in the region to pursue peace in the Middle East.

Commends the President for his leadership in addressing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Encourages the international community to take action to alleviate the humanitarian needs of the Palestinian people.

Source: House Resolution Sponsorship 02-HR392 on Apr 18, 2002

Strengthen sanctions on Syria & assist democratic transition.
Pence co-sponsored strengthening sanctions on Syria & assist democratic transition

A bill to strengthen sanctions against the Government of Syria, to enhance multilateral commitment to address the Government of Syria's threatening policies, to establish a program to support a transition to a democratically-elected government in Syria.

Syria Accountability and Liberation Act - States that US sanctions, controls, and regulations relating to Syria shall remain in effect until the President certifies that Syria has ceased support for terrorism, has dismantled biological, chemical, or nuclear weapons programs and has committed to combat their proliferation, respects the boundaries and sovereignty of all neighboring countries, and upholds human rights and civil liberties.
Imposes specified trade, assistance, and military sanctions, as appropriate, on persons or countries that transfer goods or technology so as to contribute to Syria's biological, chemical, nuclear, or advanced conventional weapons programs.
Imposes specified sanctions aimed at Syria's energy sector.
Sets forth diplomatic measures intended to isolate the government of Syria.
Directs the President to provide assistance to support a democratic transition in Syria. Authorizes appropriations.

Source: Syria Accountability and Liberation Act (S2917/HR2332) 08-S2917 on Apr 24, 2008

Support the completion of the US mission in Iraq.
Pence co-sponsored supporting the completion of the US mission in Iraq

A resolution expressing the sense of the Senate that the Commander of Multinational Forces-Iraq and all United States personnel under his command should receive from Congress the full support necessary to carry out the United States mission in Iraq. Expresses the sense of the Senate that:

Congress should ensure that General David Petraeus have the necessary resources to carry out their mission in Iraq; and
the government of Iraq must make visible progress toward meeting the political, economic, and military benchmarks enumerated in this Resolution.

Source: S.RES.70 & H.RES.150 2007-SR70 on Feb 5, 2007

Sanctions on Iran to end nuclear program.
Pence signed Iran Refined Petroleum Sanctions Act

Expresses the sense of Congress that:
diplomatic efforts to address Iran's illicit nuclear efforts, unconventional and ballistic missile development programs, and support for international terrorism are more likely to be effective if the President is empowered with explicit authority to impose additional sanctions on the government of Iran;
US concerns regarding Iran are strictly the result of that government's actions; and
the people of the United States have feelings of friendship for the people of Iran and regret that developments in recent decades have created impediments to that friendship.

States that it should be US policy to:
support international diplomatic efforts to end Iran's uranium enrichment program and its nuclear weapons program;
encourage foreign governments to direct state-owned and private entities to cease all investment in, and support of, Iran's energy sector and all exports of refined petroleum products to Iran;
impose sanctions on the Central Bank of Iran and any other Iranian financial institution engaged in proliferation activities or support of terrorist groups; and
work with allies to protect the international financial system from deceptive and illicit practices by Iranian financial institutions involved in proliferation activities or support of terrorist groups.

Amends the Iran Sanctions Act of 1996 to direct the President to impose sanctions if a person has made an investment of $20 million or more (or any combination of investments of at least $5 million which in the aggregate equals or exceeds $20 million in any 12-month period) that directly and significantly contributed to Iran's ability to develop its petroleum resources. (Under current law the sanction thresholds are $40 million, $10 million, and $40 million, respectively.)
Establishes additional sanctions prohibiting specified foreign exchange, banking, and property transactions.
Includes refined petroleum resources.
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http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/...ar_+_Peace.htm

[Ender]

And if you notice, CPU has been unable to back up his assertion. It was a lie.

No, it was not a lie and you know it. It was front page news.

Trump may have been joking but who knows:

The Times cites a recent interview with the presumptive GOP nominee in which a scenario was posed to him about declining the presidency right after defeating Hillary Clinton. Trump, the report says, "flashed a mischievous smile," then says, "I’ll let you know how I feel about it after it happens."

The story goes on to say that this could've been simply another of the real estate mogul's bids to gain media attention, though notes that the idea that Trump's competitive desire to win the highest office in the land might surpass his interest in actually serving in it wouldn't exactly be wildly inconsistent with how some might look at this most unusual of campaigns.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...lege/86807474/

So on to more important topics.

[Brian4Liberty]

Choosing Pence as VP would be another victory for Bill Kristol. What a record Kristol has! He has essentially chosen (recommended) the GOP VP candidate every cycle since 1988.

Bill Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard, who has been advising Pence on foreign policy, said Pence’s legislative and executive experience gives him “an unusual niche.”

“Voters do want that anti-Washington outsider, but they also want someone who knows what he’s doing there,” Kristol said.
...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...bdc_story.html

Pence talks of his 2016 options
Thursday, April 10, 2014 11:05 AM
By BRIAN A. HOWEY

INDIANAPOLIS – The swirl of 2016 national ticket talk surrounding Gov. Mike Pence has intensified over the past few weeks. We know it’s a scenario the first-term Republican hasn’t spent so much as a minute pondering, though he is now acknowleding to Howey Politics Indiana that national figures are “reaching out” to him.

So when Howey Politics Indiana sat down with Gov. Pence on Tuesday morning, just as the Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol was anointing Pence and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker as presidential timber on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” ...
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http://howeypolitics.com/Content/Def...s/-3/346/11200

[LibertyEagle]

No, it was not a lie and you know it. It was front page news.

Trump may have been joking but who knows:



http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...lege/86807474/

So on to more important topics.

Trump never said he would quit. Didn't happen. And not in your little quote, either.

However, Trump does know how to play the press. He is indeed a master of that.

[LibertyEagle]

Choosing Pence as VP would be another victory for Bill Kristol. What a record Kristol has! He has essentially chosen (recommended) the GOP VP candidate every cycle since 1988.

No kidding. Ugh.

[Wooden Indian]

Watching Trump supporters defend and downplay all of his establishment and anti-liberty choices makes me sad and amused simultaneously. I'd say that I hope you are ashamed of yourselves, but I know you aren't and never will be.

There is no argument to make against Trump that you will be swayed by. Your hatred of immigrants and fear of the loss of White American Values, whatever the hell that is, has shut your eyes and ears to the truth, and I kind of $#@!ing despise you for it.

[Kotin]

Lol he picked this neocon ?? How can people keep defending him???

[afwjam]

LMAO

[acptulsa]

Trump never said he would quit. Didn't happen. And not in your little quote, either.

Who is doing the lying about what people said? You accused CPUd of lying here:

This guy could even be POTUS on Day 2. Trump has said he could resign if he got elected and didn't feel like doing the job. Otherwise, he would be VPINO:

Trump Adviser: Trump Will Outsource Being President to His VP

Emphasis added.

Nobody said Trump would quit. So how is you accusing CPUd of lying on the basis of 'Trump never said he would quit' anything but a lie in itself?

You may be ferocious enough, but you are not correct. How long are you going to keep thumping this tub? Are you capable of admitting you were wrong?

Watching Trump supporters defend and downplay all of his establishment and anti-liberty choices makes me sad and amused simultaneously. I'd say that I hope you are ashamed of yourselves, but I know you aren't and never will be.

There is no argument to make against Trump that you will be swayed by. Your hatred of immigrants and fear of the loss of White American Values, whatever the hell that is, has shut your eyes and ears to the truth, and I kind of $#@!ing despise you for it.

This. Plus all manner of passive-aggressive behaviors which are leading to infractions being passed out like candy. Three cheers for the neocon duopoly; looks like they're finding a way to divide the populace against itself again.

I can't claim to still be amazed at how rank-and-file Republicans get themselves played, over and over, again and again. I got used to that. What I can't seem to get used to is how proud they seem to be of getting played. Again and again.

[silverhandorder]

I didn't say anyone did call it a genius pick. I said someone would... not necessarily these forums, but I expect those posts to be coming shortly Don't get your little girl panties in a bunch... I'm sure you'll just love having Pence on the ticket! He is the exact opposite of what Ron and Rand have spent their lives fighting for, but who cares... TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP!!!! BUILD THE WALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FORWARD COMRADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

Somebody cover a big range of people.

Somebody will also post about republican national convention revolt. Don't mean we gotta talk about it.

Lol he picked this neocon ?? How can people keep defending him???

Who is defending him? I was hoping for for the general that looked pretty cool. Thought it would be sessions.

[kahless]

The Supreme Court is another issue that I see no other way around it than voting for Trump. I pulled the quote below from another thread and he makes a good point. How do you anti-Trumpers reconcile opposing Trump so vehemently that you are so willing to give Hillary the power to nominate Supreme Court justices?

The Supreme Court is what makes this the most important election in most of our lifetimes. The Court has been 5-4 mildly "Conservative" for so long that people forget what an activist Liberal Court looks like. If Hillary gets elected, the Court will become 6-3 Liberal. That will have HUGE political ramifications.

First and most obviously, the Second Amendment would be history. Anybody that lives in a Democratic state will see their guns confiscated or be labeled a felon. The First Amendment will mostly be done away with as well. Federal Laws criminalizing any speech the government deems "offensive" will shut down sites like this or force them to move hosting to Russia (if Putin allows it). Hiring on merit will largely be criminalized and racial quotas will be ramped up to unimaginable levels.

In short, the time for political action will be over. For those of us on the Liberty side of the equation, it will be either violent insurrection or slavery.

[silverhandorder]

The Supreme Court is another issue that I see no other way around it than voting for Trump. I pulled the quote below from another thread and he makes a good point. How do you anti-Trumpers reconcile opposing Trump so vehemently that you are so willing to give Hillary the power to nominate Supreme Court justices?

A lot of them would not mind progressivism. Remember Ron Paul attracted people from both sides. Some are ludites, some are anti socials. To them they rather hate on the man. In this case Trump is easier to hate because he shut out Rand.

[CaptUSA]

Lol he picked this neocon ?? How can people keep defending him???

Why do people fall for pyramid schemes? Why do people give money to Nigerian princes? Why do people call psychic hotlines? Why do people keep sending money to their "online romances"?

Because once you fall for the con, you can't allow your mind to believe you have actually been conned. So, when evidence is presented, you will ignore either it or twist it in your own mind to keep yourself from feeling foolish.

This was in Trump's book (although, not in so many words - he called it 'playing to people's fantasies')

[acptulsa]

The Supreme Court is another issue that I see no other way around it than voting for Trump. I pulled the quote below from another thread and he makes a good point. How do you anti-Trumpers reconcile opposing Trump so vehemently that you are so willing to give Hillary the power to nominate Supreme Court justices?

Your faith that he would pick a decent running mate is shattered, yet you continue to have faith that his SCOTUS picks will be better?

I've got a nice toll bridge. Want to buy it?

[Ender]

A lot of them would not mind progressivism. Remember Ron Paul attracted people from both sides. Some are ludites, some are anti socials. To them they rather hate on the man. In this case Trump is easier to hate because he shut out Rand.

Who is this "them" you speak of?

Most here, who do not support Trump, do not hate him- most do not support any current candidate.

When attacked by Trumpsters for posting opposing arguments, they do have a tendency to fight back, though. A little friendly dialog goes a long way.

[kahless]

Lol he picked this neocon ?? How can people keep defending him???

I have yet to see anyone here defend him. I am gutted but then again it could have been far worse.

If Manafort is behind this hard turn towards catering to the establishment he needs to be fired since it will bite Trump in the ass eventually.

He may think he is appealing to the establishment but the people hate them RINO establishment. Trump beat out 17 candidates because he appeared to them not to be connected with the RINO establishment. I expect to see Bill Kristol and the Neocons on Fox like Kelly, Brett Baier and his panel of RINO shills to celebrate this now but in no time they will be slamming him in some fashion or other to help their candidate, Hillary.

[Ender]

Trump never said he would quit. Didn't happen. And not in your little quote, either.

However, Trump does know how to play the press. He is indeed a master of that.

It's not my "little" quote- just showing that the papers said he might quit- so someone quoting the media is not "lying" about what they read.

And, yes, he does play the press.

[kahless]

Your faith that he would pick a decent running mate is shattered, yet you continue to have faith that his SCOTUS picks will be better?

I've got a nice toll bridge. Want to buy it?

I did not have faith he would pick a decent running mate. I hoped he would make a better strategic choice but like I said if Rand were the nominee I expect he would probably have done the same to kiss the ring of the establishment to get their approval. We saw Rand do this during the campaign which killed his chances you would think with Trump's sucess beating 17 candidates he would not make the same mistake.

[acptulsa]

I did not have faith he would pick a decent running mate. I hoped he would make a better strategic choice but like I said if Rand were the nominee I expect he would probably have done the same to kiss the ring of the establishment to get their approval. We saw Rand do this during the campaign which killed his chances you would think with Trump's sucess beating 17 candidates he would not make the same mistake.

I ask you why you think the ring kissing is over and he'll pick decent justices, and you talk about Rand Paul.

Yes, Rand Paul would have picked decent justices. Trump obviously won't. So why should I pass on a chance to protest this neocon duopoly by voting for Johnson, again?

Every reason you ever spouted for why Trump is the 'lesser of two evils' just went down the drain. Yet you keep repeating them as if the repetition will do any of us any good at all. Well, keep clicking your red slippers together and saying 'There's no place like home' all you want. Won't keep me from trying to buy a car.

[erowe1]

EDIT: It's been hours and you haven't responded. So why post things like this when you know they are untrue?

Where do you get the idea that CPUd posted something they know is untrue?