Which forms of revenue are moral or constitutional?

[Chester Copperpot]

Pollock vs Farmers Loan and Trust.

After which they passed the 16th Amendment although its debated as to whether enough of the states actually ratified it.

Because the states would love the idea of being additionally taxed by a central authority... who wouldnt?

The Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States was never ratified by a majority of the sovereign States.

im aware of all that but you said it was ruled unconstitutional amd i asked who ruled that and you still havent answered that question.

[Sonny Tufts]

What is an Excise Tax

An excise tax is an indirect tax on the sale of a particular good or service such as fuel, tobacco and alcohol. Indirect means the tax is not directly paid by an individual consumer — instead, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) levies the tax on the producer or merchant, who passes it onto the consumer by including it in the product's price.

There are many more excise taxes than are described by this definition -- the gift tax, income tax, and estate tax are all excises, and the first two are paid by the one making the gift or receiving the income. The employer's share of FICA/Medicare taxes are also excises, as are certain taxes imposed on private foundations.

The term "indirect tax" merely refers to types of taxes that aren't "direct taxes" in the constitutional sense -- excises, duties, and imposts. It doesn't mean that someone doesn't pay the tax directly.

[unknown]

Not surprisingly, Pollock was a very unpopular decision and provided the impetus for the 16th Amendment.

The ruling wasnt unpopular.

It prevented the banksters from being able to tax the slaves without which you cant force them into debt slavery.

[Sonny Tufts]

The ruling wasnt unpopular.

It was so unpopular that the case became one of only three Supreme Court decisions to be overturned by a constitutional amendment.

[unknown]

It was so unpopular that the case became one of only three Supreme Court decisions to be overturned by a constitutional amendment.

I dont agree.

It was never properly ratified.

Is that the premise: that the states rose up to demand that their incomes be taxed by a central authority...

[Superfluous Man]

I dont agree.

It was never properly ratified.

Is that the premise: that the states rose up to demand that their incomes be taxed by a central authority...

Even without the 16th Amendment, the Pollock ruling didn't stop them from taxing workers' wages. It only prevented them from taxing incomes from interest, dividends, and rent along with those taxes on wages.

[Sonny Tufts]

Is that the premise: that the states rose up to demand that their incomes be taxed by a central authority...

First of all, the States' incomes aren't taxed; those of their citizens are. Second, the States agreed to a central government taxing their citizens in 1789.

Since all income could be taxed prior to the Pollock case, whet the States rose up to demand was that the Pollock result be overturned and that the rich pay taxes on their investment income.

[unknown]

First of all, the States' incomes aren't taxed; those of their citizens are. Second, the States agreed to a central government taxing their citizens in 1789.

Since all income could be taxed prior to the Pollock case, whet the States rose up to demand was that the Pollock result be overturned and that the rich pay taxes on their investment income.

That the "rich pay taxes", lol.

The libertarian spirit wasnt alive and well back then, thats for sure!

Bro, not for nothin, arent you due back at the Bernie forums?

[Sonny Tufts]

Bro, not for nothin, arent you due back at the Bernie forums?

No, but you're due for some education about the history of the federal income tax, something you obviously know nothing about.