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    Elizabeth Warren reveals DNA evidence of Native American ancestry, rebuking Trump



    The Intercept‏@theintercept · 18 min.
    Elizabeth Warren reveals DNA evidence of Native American ancestry, rebuking Trump
    https://interc.pt/2OufvST





    https://twitter.com/elizabethforma/s...20933982359553
    Last edited by goldenequity; 10-15-2018 at 07:46 AM.



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    1/512 ???

    LOL

    By that standard, I'm Sitting $#@!ing Bull.

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    Rebunking? I've heard of de-bunking, but rebunking? Carry on.
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    From the Intercept:

    Linskey’s report, which features a more extensive interview with Bustamante, notes that the genetic expert estimated that Warren’s Native American ancestor appears in her family tree “in the range of 6-10 generations ago.” That would seem to fit the story that Warren’s parents told their children about their maternal great-great-great-grandmother.

    However, the Globe report could also point to ways the story might soon be attacked by Warren’s political opponents, as they seek to cast doubt on the results. Bustamante was careful to say that his lab is “confident it is not an error” to say Warren has Native American ancestry, but the imprecision of genetic testing will no doubt soon be a subject of national debate should the senator run for the presidency.

    As Linskey explains, Bustamante was also forced to use a creative method to identify Native American genetic material, which could give Trump supporters an opportunity to dispute the findings:

    Detecting DNA for Native Americans is particularly tricky because there is an absence of Native American DNA available for comparison. This is in part because Native American leaders have asked tribal members not to participate in genetic databases.

    “The tribes have felt they have been exploited,” explained Lawrence Brody, a senior investigator with the Medical Genomics and Metabolic Genetics Branch at the National Institutes of Health. “The amount of genetic data that is available from Native Americans is sparse.”
    I'm no Warren fan, but as I have pointed out before, Indian DNA ancestry is tricky. My good friend, who is Tungva Indian, had his DNA done & it said he was 95% Ainu.

    My great-great grandmother was Cherokee & I'm blonde/blue-eyed. Supposedly her tribe birthed a blonde ever so often. Some think it's
    from the Lost Colonists who are thought to have merged with Indian tribes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    1/512 ???

    LOL

    By that standard, I'm Sitting $#@!ing Bull.
    Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. I'd like to know what percentage of US citizens have an equal to or greater percent of indian dna compared to Warren, using the same criteria. I'll bet half the population has at least that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Wow, not even 0.5%, 0.1%...

    0.1% of $1 million is $1,000, soo....
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    It adds up fast when stating the percentage of a single individual in your ancestry.

    1/1,024 at 10 generations back? Then it’s 1/2,048 at 11 generations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    It adds up fast when stating the percentage of a single individual in your ancestry.

    1/1,024 at 10 generations back? Then it’s 1/2,048 at 11 generations.
    Do both parents always contribute 50% of the gene material to an offspring or is it more of a probability function?

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    "Math Correction" Confirms Warren Could Be 0.09% Native American
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ative-american


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    The way Warren handled this is still rather suspicious.

    After delaying a DNA test for years, it is a bit suspect that that she refused one of the readily publicly available DNA tests such as 23andme, or ancestry.com, but rather handpicked a specially selected Stanford professor.

    And even his exclusive test only alleges likely ancestor 6 to 10 generations ago, which equates to between 1/64th (1.5%) to 1/1024th (.1%) ancestry if the results are accurate.
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    .080 may get you a DUI some places but it does not get you an Indian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Do both parents always contribute 50% of the gene material to an offspring or is it more of a probability function?
    Basically 50/50, except for mitochondrial DNA which always comes from the mother.

    How much you get from an individual in your past family tree is random. So many generations back, and you may not have any DNA from an ancestor, unless it’s the mitochondrial DNA from the direct mother line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    The way Warren handled this is still rather suspicious.

    After delaying a DNA test for years, it is a bit suspect that that she refused one of the readily publicly available DNA tests such as 23andme, or ancestry.com, but rather handpicked a specially selected Stanford professor.

    And even his exclusive test only alleges likely ancestor 6 to 10 generations ago, which equates to between 1/64th (1.5%) to 1/1024th (.1%) ancestry if the results are accurate.
    Indian DNA is difficult.

    Detecting DNA for Native Americans is particularly tricky because there is an absence of Native American DNA available for comparison. This is in part because Native American leaders have asked tribal members not to participate in genetic databases.

    “The tribes have felt they have been exploited,” explained Lawrence Brody, a senior investigator with the Medical Genomics and Metabolic Genetics Branch at the National Institutes of Health. “The amount of genetic data that is available from Native Americans is sparse.”
    Like I said above- my Tungva Indian friend, who is definitely Indian, had his DNA come back as 95% Ainu. Blew him away.
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    If that counts as being Indian then we all are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    If that counts as being Indian then we all are.
    Except Danke , who has been determined to be somalian pirate .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    If that counts as being Indian then we all are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by milgram View Post
    Yeah, that’s about it. This whole DNA Ancestry craze is about politics.

    It’s not terribly accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Basically 50/50, except for mitochondrial DNA which always comes from the mother.

    How much you get from an individual in your past family tree is random. So many generations back, and you may not have any DNA from an ancestor, unless it’s the mitochondrial DNA from the direct mother line.
    It is not that simple. If you assume genes from a gene pair are selected randomly you can see a situation where a parent chooses always one of their parents' genes when passing them to a child. This means a grandchild can have 0-50% of its grandparent genes. Although the most likely outcome is 25% it is not the only possibility.

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    The test showed her to be maybe 0.1 percent red man! ...Or Mexican. Which is pretty much the same thing, right? She sure owned the Blumpf on this one!
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    Detecting DNA for Native Americans is particularly tricky because there is an absence of Native American DNA available for comparison. This is in part because Native American leaders have asked tribal members not to participate in genetic databases.

    This seems foolhardy. They're guaranteeing that thousands of people won't discover their Indian heritage. Maybe that's the point.
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    Holy $#@!

    I'm sorry, but this piddling 1/1024 Native ancestry does not wash at all, compared to the kind of BS she's been spouting for decades. "Part Cherokee and part Delaware" my ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Indian DNA is difficult.
    Like I said above- my Tungva Indian friend, who is definitely Indian, had his DNA come back as 95% Ainu. Blew him away.
    If you are blown away by that, you'll be even more blown away by this. My definitely Yaqui friend had his DNA come back 99.8% native American.

    Not sure what point your trying to make re Warren. So your friend is Ainu ancestry. So what? Trying to say if Warren's DNA results had been Ainu then she could have been Native American? Warren's published test doesn't show her to be Ainu either. Heck if her DNA results had been native American , in that case she could have been native American too.

    These sophomoric non sequiturs don't make Warren any more native American ancestry. Nor does it change her spectacle of touting she is native American and she will prove it by finding someone she can hire to say she has some tiny remote native american DNA ancestry - between 1/64th (1.5%) to 1/1024th (.1%) ancestry based on the Stanford professor's comparisons to DNA from Mexico, Columbia and Peru.

    And it also doesn't change the very suspicious way Warren handled her DNA claim. (Delaying a DNA test for years, refusing one of the readily publicly available DNA tests such as 23andme, or ancestry.com, using a handpicked specially selected Stanford professor).
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    This is truly shameful. In a less PC time, and a neutral media environment, a person who is 1/64 native American at best and claiming to be Cherokee as part of their identity, would be correctly labeled clinically insane.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    I'm a Germanian with green eyes. My family on both sides has lived here for at least 400years, one side likely at least double that.

    If I claim any kind of native $#@!, I'm probably a racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    If you are blown away by that, you'll be even more blown away by this. My definitely Yaqui friend had his DNA come back 99.8% native American.

    Not sure what point your trying to make re Warren. So your friend is Ainu ancestry. So what? Trying to say if Warren's DNA results had been Ainu then she could have been Native American? Warren's published test doesn't show her to be Ainu either. Heck if her DNA results had been native American , in that case she could have been native American too.

    These sophomoric non sequiturs don't make Warren any more native American ancestry. Nor does it change her spectacle of touting she is native American and she will prove it by finding someone she can hire to say she has some tiny remote native american DNA ancestry - between 1/64th (1.5%) to 1/1024th (.1%) ancestry based on the Standford's professor's comparisons to DNA from Mexico, Columbia and Peru.

    And it also doesn't change the very suspicious way Warren handled her DNA claim. (Delaying a DNA test for years, refusing one of the readily publicly available DNA tests such as 23andme, or ancestry.com, using a handpicked specially selected Stanford professor).
    I guess I can understand her claim a bit as I grew up with the same kind of stories about our Cherokee heritage. I believed my family and haven't gone through the DNA stuff.

    Warren's bad Indian thing was started by a political opponent- which always makes me a bit suspicious; everyone in her education/job history have said it was never an issue.

    Like I said- I'm no Warren fan but this has always seemed blown waaaay outta proportion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    This is truly shameful. In a less PC time, and a neutral media environment, a person who is 1/64 native American at best and claiming to be Cherokee as part of their identity, would be correctly labeled clinically insane.
    In the US you are considered legally black with 1 drop of negro blood in your history.

    Just sayin'.
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