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    Christian In A Muslim County 143 Times More Likely to Be Killed By A Muslim Than Vice Versa

    Paleoconservative writer Srdja Trifkovic criticized media coverage of the New Zealand Christchurch shooting on Friday and noted the massive disparity with how Christians are treated living in majority Muslim countries versus how Muslims are treated in majority Christian countries.
    From Chronicles Magazine:
    [T]here will be no attempt to place today’s killings “in perspective,” as is invariably the case after Muslim terrorists strike Western targets—in Nice, Paris, Berlin etc.—killing hundreds of people. That “perspective” should include the fact that some 30 million Muslims reside in the Western world today (many more on their own reckoning), which makes the probability of any one of them falling victim to a deplorable attack in any given year roughly one in ten million.
    These odds may be higher than being eaten by a great white shark, but they compare rather favorably with the probability of a Frenchman being killed by a Muslim fanatic. Be patient, dear reader; let us recoup with precision, lest we be accused of inflammatory rhetoric:
    7-9 January 2015: Charlie Hebdo attacks kill 22 people.
    26 June 2015: In Saint-Quentin-Fallavier, a Muslim decapitated a Frenchman and rammed a van into cylinders at a gas factory trying to start an explosion.
    13-14 November 2015: The horrendous Paris attacks killed 137 people in the single deadliest terrorist outrage in French history
    13 June 2016: At Magnanville, a policeman and his wife were murdered by a jihadist.
    14 July 2016: A truck was driven into crowds celebrating Bastille Day in Nice. The driver, Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, killed 86 people.
    26 July 2016: In Normandy two jihadists attacked a church during mass, killing an 86-year-old priest.
    1 October 2017: A Muslim stabbed to death two young women at a Marseille train station. Before he was shot dead he shouted Allahu Akbar.
    23 March 2018: A Muslim stole a car in Carcassonne, killing the passenger, went to Trèbes, attacked a supermarket, killed three people and injured several others.
    12 May 2018: A Chechen-born “Frenchman” stabbed to death one pedestrian and injured several others near the Garnier Opera in Paris.
    11 December 2018: In Strasbourg a gunman opened fire just outside the Christmas Market, killing 5 and injuring 11.
    That makes 261 dead and many more injured, in attacks by Muslims on non-Muslims, in less than four years, in only one country, France (pop. 66 million). With 66 dead a year on average, Frenchmen are exactly ten times more likely to be murdered by a Muslim than a Muslim being killed by a non-Muslim terrorist anywhere in the Western world.


    The score is incomparably worse if we look at the situation of Christians in the Muslim world. It is the most egregious example of human right violations in today’s world: according to “Open Doors,” at least 4,305 Christians known by name were murdered by Muslims because of their faith in 2018. Aid to the Church in Need, in its latest “Religious Freedom Report,” warned that 300 million Christians, overwhelmingly in the majority-Muslim countries, were subjected to violence, making it “the most persecuted religion in the world.”
    This makes the odds of a Christian in a majority-Muslim country being murdered by a Muslim—simply for being what he is—approximately one in 70,000. This means a Christian living in a majority Muslim country is 143 times more likely to be killed by a Muslim for being a Christian than a Muslim is likely to be killed by a non-Muslim in a Western country for being what he is.
    These are some of the facts that need to be taken into account as we face today’s onslaught of massive Agitprop and self-hatred inducement from every screen and every printed page in every Western country. The victims and their families in New Zealand deserve sympathy. So do the victims of jihadism, which is the most murderous ideology in human history, incomparably more lethal than Bolshevism and National Socialism combined. That cannot and will not happen for as long as the people whose faces you’ll see on TV today, and their bosses, control the discourse.
    Read his full column.


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    If 'we' published this in France or Britain the sentence would lengthy,
    facts have no place in the NWO .

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    From the OP article:

    at least 4,305 Christians known by name were murdered by Muslims
    out of 300 million Christians. About one in a million chance. Not a big threat.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 03-18-2019 at 05:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post




    From the OP article:



    out of 300 million Christians. About one in a million chance. Not a big threat.



    None of this applies to what is written in the OP.
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    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    None of this applies to what is written in the OP.
    Actually it is what the OP was trying to hint at- that Christians (white Americans) should be afraid of being killed by Muslims. But even in their own data, only about one Christian in a million is killed by a Muslim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post




    From the OP article:



    out of 300 million Christians. About one in a million chance. Not a big threat.
    And?

    That doesn't change the point made in the article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Actually it is what the OP was trying to hint at- that Christians (white Americans) should be afraid of being killed by Muslims. But even in their own data, only about one Christian in a million is killed by a Muslim.
    Wrong.

    It was about how Christians in Muslim countries get murdered at a far higher rate (143x higher) than Muslims in Christian countries.

    The reason it is important is because people on the left, and the leftist media are talking about how lone white men are horrible terrorists and just go around killing innocent Muslims in terrorist attacks.

    Sorry, that's far from what the numbers actually show.

    There was even a lady on twitter who said that anybody who goes on 4chan or 8chan, or who is an incel, should be put on a terrorist watch list.. that was in response to the NZ attack.
    Last edited by dannno; 03-18-2019 at 05:57 PM.
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Actually it is what the OP was trying to hint at- that Christians (white Americans) should be afraid of being killed by Muslims. But even in their own data, only about one Christian in a million is killed by a Muslim.
    LOL

    Now you can read minds?

    His point is that "islamophobia" is comparatively nonexistent and those who complain about it should ask muslims to clean up their own act first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    Now you can read minds?

    His point is that "islamophobia" is comparatively nonexistent and those who complain about it should ask muslims to clean up their own act first.
    LOL! Using Islamaphobia to try to claim that Islamophobia is non-existent!

    the most murderous ideology in human history, incomparably more lethal than Bolshevism and National Socialism combined.
    1.5 billion Muslims in the world- and they all want to kill you!! (collectivism)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    LOL! Using Islamaphobia to try to claim that Islamophobia is non-existent!
    Facts are facts, they aren't a "phobia".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Facts are facts, they aren't a "phobia".
    They are when they are twisted to push a narrative. You are highly unlikely to be killed or even injured by a Muslim. You have more to fear from you neighbors and family members. More people die in their own beds than are killed by Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    They are when they are twisted to push a narrative. You are highly unlikely to be killed or even injured by a Muslim. You have more to fear from you neighbors and family members. More people die in their own beds than are killed by Muslims.
    And far more people are killed for being non-muslim by muslims than are killed for being muslims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And far more people are killed for being non-muslim by muslims than are killed for being muslims.
    The most likely person to kill you (should you die that way) is a family member. The next most likely is somebody you know. These account for 80% of all homicides.

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...-homicide-data

    In 2011, in incidents of murder for which the relationships of murder victims and offenders were known, 54.3 percent were killed by someone they knew (acquaintance, neighbor, friend, boyfriend, etc.); 24.8 percent of victims were slain by family members.
    If you are a Christian, you should be afraid of other Christians.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 03-18-2019 at 06:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The most likely person to kill you (should you die that way) is a family member. The next most likely is somebody you know.
    Which has nothing to do with this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Christian In A Muslim County 143 Times More Likely to Be Killed By A Muslim Than Vice Versa

    It's probably more complex than this simplistic statement. A Western Christian is probably safer in a Muslim Turkey or Dubai or UAE than in a Christian Mexico or Christian Liberia or even in many parts of Christian Chicago.
    Geopolitic factors, wars/civil wars, economic situation, literacy and crime seem to matter more than religion per se.

    Also seems like Muslim Countries where we spread freedom by borrowing money from domestic taxpayers become some of the most dangerous places in the world for local Christians. Strange manifestations of our taxpayers funded freedoms in places like Iraq, Syria, Gaza etc. when it comes to safety of Christians of local races.


    In August 2017, the US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) ranked India’s persecution severity at “Tier 2” along with Iraq and Afghanistan.[3]



    https://www.youtube.com/user/noconversion


    In many of recent headlines, India and Israel are also cited as regions where Christians face some of the highest threats and neither of these is Islamic.

    Middle East Christians face despair and threat of extinction

    The Vanishing Church in the Holy Land

    By Sir Jeffery M. Abood, KHS

    A Palestinian Christian takes part in the Christmas Day service at the Catholic church in the village of Zababdah, near the northern city of Jenin, in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, Dec. 25, 2010. (AFP photo/Saif Dahlah)

    For two thousand years, Christian communities have thrived there. Yet, over the last 60 years, their population has gone from their historical level of around 18 percent to less than 2 percent today. Never have the Christian communities in the Middle East been as close to extinction as they are now. According to Latin Patriarch Fouad Twal, "the future of the Church in the Holy Land is now in doubt unless fellow Christians around the world step up efforts to help them."

    Second, contrary to current popular opinion in this country, Christians are not leaving Israel/Palestine because of their Muslim neighbors. After all, for 1,500 years the Christian population has been relatively stable despite living in a largely Muslim culture. Even today, many of elected Palestinian leaders are Christians who enjoy popularity and a wide base of support.The number one reason given by Christians as to why they are leaving is because of the economic conditions created by the Israeli occupation. In fact, according to a statement put out by the heads of all the churches in Jerusalem, "Occupation remains the root cause of the conflict and of the continued suffering in the Holy Land."

    https://www.wrmea.org/011-march/hris...holy-land.html


    Extremists stone Christians in India, claim victory for Hindu goddess
    https://www.christianpost.com/news/e...u-goddess.html










    Related

    Data from few decades ago shows that some of the most motivated terrorists early on were "christians", such great was their threat that our closest ally had to start funding Islamic groups like Hamas to have relatively more "peaceful" opposition.

    Checking in for a flight has never been the same since 1967

    Terrorism's Christian Godfather



    Vaetan / AP
    George Habash attacks a U.S.-sponsored Israeli-Palestinian peace plan during a speech in Beirut, March 11, 1979

    You could call George Habash, a Palestinian leader who died in Amman on Saturday at the age of 82, the godfather of Middle East terrorism. If you assumed that Palestinian or Arab extremism somehow sprung entirely from Islam — from the puritanical Wahabbi intolerance and so forth — take a close look at Habash's first name. He was a Greek Orthodox Christian, who sang in his church choir as a boy back in the Palestinian town of Lydda. Habash's life tells us a lot about the long Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which seems as intractable as ever, and prompts reflection on the Middle East's seemingly unstoppable whirlwind of violence.

    Habash's group, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), pioneered the hijacking of airplanes as a Middle East terror tactic — one eventually employed by the al-Qaeda hijackers on 9/11 — way back in 1968 when three PFLP armed operatives commandeered an Israeli El Al airliner enroute from Rome to Tel Aviv. Checking in for a flight has never been the same since.

    Many PFLP operations remain etched into history as some of the most infamous acts of terrorism. In 1970, PFLP terrorists hijacked four airliners at one time, flew three of them to Jordan, blew them up, and triggered the Black September civil war between Jordan's Hashemite monarchy and Palestinian guerrillas. In 1972, Japanese Red Army terrorists working with the PFLP massacred 24 people at Israel's Lod International Airport (now called Ben Gurion International Airport).

    In 1976, the PFLP's last hijacking ended in the daring rescue by Israeli counter-terrorism commandos in Entebbe, Uganda. By then, the actions of Habash's small but radical faction had propelled the Middle East into cycles of violence that were ever more extreme.

    What led Habash, a Christian physician — hence his nickname al-Hakim or the doctor — into such a life, of revolution, of killing? The son of a well-to-do merchant, he was trained at the American University of Beirut, the most liberal university in the Middle East then as now. His background was almost identical to that of his best friend, Wadia Haddad, the No. 2 in the PFLP and the operational genius and passionate proponent of the group's terrorist acts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Which has nothing to do with this thread.
    It is. It is who you should be afraid of- not a Muslim half the way around the world. 1.5 billion Muslims and you claim that they killed 4,000 Christians out of 300 million of them. That is a pretty safe position- not a threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Which has nothing to do with this thread.
    This has never stopped Zippy from bringing his straw men to discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    They are when they are twisted to push a narrative. You are highly unlikely to be killed or even injured by a Muslim. You have more to fear from you neighbors and family members. More people die in their own beds than are killed by Muslims.
    What was twisted ?

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    The whole thread is a strawman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    It's probably more complex than this simplistic statement. A Western Christian is probably safer in a Muslim Turkey than in a Christian Mexico especially close to Christian US border areas. Seems like Mulsim Countries where foreign Christians spread freedom are probably the most dangerous for local Christians, why is that?

    Geopolitic factors, wars/civil wars, economic situation, literacy and crime seem to matter matter more than religion per se.

    In August 2017, the US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) ranked India’s persecution severity at “Tier 2” along with Iraq and Afghanistan.[3] In the past six years,India has risen from No. 31 to No. 11 on Open Doors' World Watch List





    In many of recent headlines, India and Israel are also cited and neither of them is Islamic.

    Amid holiday season, Middle East Christians face despair and threat of extinction

    Extremists stone Christians in India, claim victory for Hindu goddess
    https://www.christianpost.com/news/e...u-goddess.html
    None of that has anything to do with the point of this thread.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It is. It is who you should be afraid of- not a Muslim half the way around the world. 1.5 billion Muslims and you claim that they killed 4,000 Christians out of 300 million of them. That is a pretty safe position- not a threat.
    This isn't a thread about who you should be afraid of.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The whole thread is a strawman.
    LOL
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    What was twisted ?
    Zippy's knickers.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Zippy's knickers.
    or his helmet

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    They are when they are twisted to push a narrative. You are highly unlikely to be killed or even injured by a Muslim. You have more to fear from you neighbors and family members. More people die in their own beds than are killed by Muslims.
    No, we have more to fear from our government taking away our second amendment rights and other rights because of a perceived threat of whites against MUSLIMS, which is largely non-existent (with the exception of the MIC, which is controlled by the same people trying to take away our rights)
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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Zippy's knickers.
    Fact!!

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It is. It is who you should be afraid of- not a Muslim half the way around the world. 1.5 billion Muslims and you claim that they killed 4,000 Christians out of 300 million of them. That is a pretty safe position- not a threat.
    Christians are expendable in your mind?


    I use the term 'mind' loosely .

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Christians are expendable in your mind?


    I use the term 'mind' loosely .
    Zippy just successfully moved the goalpost from living in muslim countries to worldwide.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Zippy just successfully moved the goalpost from living in muslim countries to worldwide.
    Yea 1.5 Billion Muslims in shthole countries, I wonder I zippy hopes Muslims will turn the US
    into another shthole.

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